Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Just a little disclaimer for people reading my review. Please focus on the REVIEW, and not the rating. I'm not saying that the album is shit, just that the band's change in sound didn't really meet my expectations. A 6.8 is my way of conveying that the album is a bit above average, but is missing something that makes it fall short of being a "good" album. Thank you.
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How can this album possibly be accessible? Burn My Eyes was more accessible than this.
This review is worst than the first one.
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Written by [user id=101272] on 18.01.2012 at 17:32
How can this album possibly be accessible? Burn My Eyes was more accessible than this.
This review is worst than the first one.
Burn My Eyes was an excellent piece of violent 90s groove thrash, easily in the same category as Pantera or Chaos A.D.-era Sepultura.
One of the beauties of music, my friend: the many interpretations that can stem from it. If you're going to argue your point intelligently, with details to back up your points, then by all means do so. If, however, you're just going to make empty claims ("This review is worst than the first one," "Burn My Eyes was more accessible than this") without any explanation to vouch for the points you're trying to make, then please: don't waste your time.
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Written by Auntie Sahar on 18.01.2012 at 17:43
Written by [user id=101272] on 18.01.2012 at 17:32
How can this album possibly be accessible? Burn My Eyes was more accessible than this.
This review is worst than the first one.
Burn My Eyes was an excellent piece of violent 90s groove thrash, easily in the same category as Pantera or Chaos A.D.-era Sepultura.
One of the beauties of music, my friend: the many interpretations that can stem from it. If you're going to argue your point intelligently, with details to back up your points, then by all means do so. If, however, you're just going to make empty claims ("This review is worst than the first one," "Burn My Eyes was more accessible than this") without any explanation to vouch for the points you're trying to make, then please: don't waste your time.
You misread. I do indeed think Burn My Eyes is a fantastic album. I meant it as the fact that Burn My Eyes had lyrics like "White attack black, black attack back/
the fuckin' media keeps us all blind blind/Children on crack, junkies on smack/you wanna close your eyes to hide hide" Yet I'd still consider it more accessible than Unto The Locust.
I stand by by second opinion, though. Both reviews for this album look merely like whining. The first review because it wasn't as good as the Blackening, which was absolutetly expected. The second because... Well, main;y due to the fact you actually called it an "accessible Thrashcore album with too much experimentation." That's a laughable act in itself.
Good enough details for you?
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Written by [user id=101272] on 18.01.2012 at 18:03
Written by Auntie Sahar on 18.01.2012 at 17:43
Written by [user id=101272] on 18.01.2012 at 17:32
How can this album possibly be accessible? Burn My Eyes was more accessible than this.
This review is worst than the first one.
Burn My Eyes was an excellent piece of violent 90s groove thrash, easily in the same category as Pantera or Chaos A.D.-era Sepultura.
One of the beauties of music, my friend: the many interpretations that can stem from it. If you're going to argue your point intelligently, with details to back up your points, then by all means do so. If, however, you're just going to make empty claims ("This review is worst than the first one," "Burn My Eyes was more accessible than this") without any explanation to vouch for the points you're trying to make, then please: don't waste your time.
You misread. I do indeed think Burn My Eyes is a fantastic album. I meant it as the fact that Burn My Eyes had lyrics like "White attack black, black attack back/
the fuckin' media keeps us all blind blind/Children on crack, junkies on smack/you wanna close your eyes to hide hide" Yet I'd still consider it more accessible than Unto The Locust.
I stand by by second opinion, though. Both reviews for this album look merely like whining. The first review because it wasn't as good as the Blackening, which was absolutetly expected. The second because... Well, main;y due to the fact you actually called it an "accessible Thrashcore album with too much experimentation." That's a laughable act in itself.
Good enough details for you?
You misread as well. Nowhere did I call it a thrashcore album, nor did I say it had too much experimentation. I praised the aggressive nature of the first half of the album, as well as Phil Demmel's guitar work. What I did say is that the vocals COME ACROSS as a bit metalcore-ish, and that while I didn't particularly care for their experimentation on the album's latter half, I still respect them for trying something different. And whining? Just because I don't think an album is absolutely mindblowing, and express my opinion as such, does not mean that I am whining, good sir.
By the way, I get what you mean about Burn My Eyes now. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Butters49
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18.01.2012 - 19:01Rating: 5
I agree with almost everything in this review
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Little correction Machine Head reached their peak with their Burn My Eyes not with the horribly overrated The Blackening
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I agree with the first three songs being the best. But, I feel the last song, "Who We Are" is quite strong. Yeah, the kids singing in it is cheesy, but the song as a whole is pretty excellent. It's got some awesome thrash riffs, and the Iron Maiden-esque duel solo is great. However, the lyrics of the song are what I think really captured it. I like how it's a more positive message behind it, and that it's basically saying "Yeah, I'm a metal head, fuck you." I thought that was really awesome on Robb's behalf. Tracks 4, 5, and 6 maybe a little iffy, but I think the rest of the album is really good.
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18.01.2012 - 23:58Rating: 9
I think we all knew it would be tough to match The Blackening. Also, good artist are gonna try something different each time out, otherwise, they'll grow stagnant and fans will see,feel and hear that.
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 18.01.2012 at 19:31
Little correction Machine Head reached their peak with their Burn My Eyes not with the horribly overrated The Blackening
I do agree that The Blackening is a bit overrated, but it still is an awesome album (just like how Master Of Puppets is overrated, but still great). I say that it's the peak of their career because I think it represents a fusion of everything the band experimented with up to that point. The raw agression of Burn My Eyes is there, but then so is the slightly relaxed feel of some of their later material.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
19.01.2012 - 01:05Rating: 7
Written by Auntie Sahar on 18.01.2012 at 16:44 Please focus on the REVIEW, and not the rating.
Only 6.8?!
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.01.2012 at 01:05
Written by Auntie Sahar on 18.01.2012 at 16:44 Please focus on the REVIEW, and not the rating.
Only 6.8?!
As I said in that little disclaimer, it is my way of conveying that the album is above average, but still lacking something that (in my eyes) would make it a good album.
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pisymbol
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.01.2012 at 01:05
Written by Auntie Sahar on 18.01.2012 at 16:44 Please focus on the REVIEW, and not the rating.
Only 6.8?!
I'm sorry but rarely do I say this....sorry no way is this album a 6.8. Minimally its a 7.5 and most likely an 8i. I thought Machine Head did a solid job on delivering on their core aesthetic. I have no idea why the reviewer thinks the sound has changed that much because to my ears, it really hasn't. Locust is a natural extension to the Blackened in pretty much every way (and practically the entire Internet agrees with me but to each his own).
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19.01.2012 - 05:14Rating: 7
Written by pisymbol on 19.01.2012 at 05:08 ...
I was only joking in response to his little disclaimer but I actually personally rated this a 6.5, and The Blackening I'd give a 7.
I agree with your assessment that the two albums aren't all that dissimilar though.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.01.2012 at 05:14
Written by pisymbol on 19.01.2012 at 05:08 ...
I was only joking in response to his little disclaimer but I actually personally rated this a 6.5, and The Blackening I'd give a 7.
I agree with your assessment that the two albums aren't all that dissimilar though.
If you loved the Blackening (personally I thought it was a wonderful modern American metal release), then Locust is just an outgrowth of that, i.e. it delivered as promised.
I think after a further listen its a 7.5 while Blackening is an 8.
EDIT: I can see why you would give these albums a point lower I think (I want to guess for fun):
They are very repetitive. Each track is basically the same formula which they didn't even invent. What makes Locust a bit more frustrating than the Blackening is that they did try to sprinkle in some progressive elements but for the most part they don't work. From the children singing to the acoustic solos, they just comes off as cheap production techniques to try to vary their sound: stale croutons on an already bland salad.
Finally, its a small salad with less than 10 tracks.
With all of this said, if someone new to metal wanted a modern album of straight up good wholesome American inspired heavy metal....ain't nothing wrong with Machine Head....my 2 cents...
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As a famous person (can't remember which one, though) once said, "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it". I respect that this is your opinion and I have no right to say "I am right, you are wrong", but I would like to point out some of my biggest disagreements with your review.
I find that you may be being a bit harsh on the fourth and fifth tracks: I find them just as good as, if not better than, the first three tracks. The fourth track is, admittedly, kinda catchy (I still find myself singing the chorus absentmindedly) and takes a bit of time to really start to show the quality behind it, but it still is heavy enough that you don't feel too guilty about it and the fifth adds variety in the same manner as "Welcome Home (Sanitarium)" from Master of Puppets, which may seem out of place, but stops the album from being a one dimensional one. The sixth track, honestly, I can't remember at all and the last one, once you get past the children's choir, is pretty good, although I don't listen to it too much due to the children's choir usually putting me off it before it really starts to get interesting.
Robb Fynn having metalcore sounding vocals on this album is not really that new: from what I've heard, he has swapped between shouted vocals and clean vocals quite a few times in the past. Also, to the uninitiated (which does include me), his shouted vocals could be mistaken for metalcore vocals anyway. The fact you mention it being a major issue for you in tracks four to seven does seem a bit strange with that in mind, but it might be possible I'm missing something you meant to say, so I'll not go on about that.
Having recently listened to The Blackening, I do admit that something from that album is lacking on this one, but, at the same time, I find that the songs on The Blackening have a habit of going on a bit too long. None of the songs on this album really do that, so I consider it a fair payoff to make. Having said that, I do understand why some people might not consider this a fair payoff, so I'll just agree to disagree with you there.
I fail to hear how this is noticeably different from The Blackening. Maybe you could enlighten me on this subject, as all I hear that is really different is the children's choir and the fact that "Darkness Within" is kind of like a ballad.
Those are my biggest disagreements with your review. However, I respect your opinion on the album and enjoyed reading your review, so don't take what I've said as meaning your review is bad: I found it very well written and interesting (especially your first paragraph) and I agree with everything else you mentioned.
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Written by Nemo Atkins on 20.01.2012 at 03:06
As a famous person (can't remember which one, though) once said, "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it". I respect that this is your opinion and I have no right to say "I am right, you are wrong", but I would like to point out some of my biggest disagreements with your review.
I find that you may be being a bit harsh on the fourth and fifth tracks: I find them just as good as, if not better than, the first three tracks. The fourth track is, admittedly, kinda catchy (I still find myself singing the chorus absentmindedly) and takes a bit of time to really start to show the quality behind it, but it still is heavy enough that you don't feel too guilty about it and the fifth adds variety in the same manner as "Welcome Home (Sanitarium)" from Master of Puppets, which may seem out of place, but stops the album from being a one dimensional one. The sixth track, honestly, I can't remember at all and the last one, once you get past the children's choir, is pretty good, although I don't listen to it too much due to the children's choir usually putting me off it before it really starts to get interesting.
Robb Fynn having metalcore sounding vocals on this album is not really that new: from what I've heard, he has swapped between shouted vocals and clean vocals quite a few times in the past. Also, to the uninitiated (which does include me), his shouted vocals could be mistaken for metalcore vocals anyway. The fact you mention it being a major issue for you in tracks four to seven does seem a bit strange with that in mind, but it might be possible I'm missing something you meant to say, so I'll not go on about that.
Having recently listened to The Blackening, I do admit that something from that album is lacking on this one, but, at the same time, I find that the songs on The Blackening have a habit of going on a bit too long. None of the songs on this album really do that, so I consider it a fair payoff to make. Having said that, I do understand why some people might not consider this a fair payoff, so I'll just agree to disagree with you there.
I fail to hear how this is noticeably different from The Blackening. Maybe you could enlighten me on this subject, as all I hear that is really different is the children's choir and the fact that "Darkness Within" is kind of like a ballad.
Those are my biggest disagreements with your review. However, I respect your opinion on the album and enjoyed reading your review, so don't take what I've said as meaning your review is bad: I found it very well written and interesting (especially your first paragraph) and I agree with everything else you mentioned.
Thanks man. I appreciate people like you, who can argue a differing opinion without losing their heads. I think it's different from The Blackening just in its overall sound. I honestly can't put it any better than that. It just sounds a little more relaxed to me, the riffs aren't as harsh, or something.
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Boxcar Willy yr a kook
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There are lots of long posts here
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Cynic Metalhead Ambrish Saxena
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21.01.2012 - 09:51Rating: 6
Written by Boxcar Willy on 20.01.2012 at 18:51
There are lots of long posts here
....ending it up like an fucking dissertation on something. Anyways, this album will make its room near The Blackening and is very exhaustive stuff. Great vocals but weak bass compare to their last output. Expectation was much higher and I think in between some of the songs were boring and too stretchable.
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Written by Nemo Atkins on 20.01.2012 at 03:06
As a famous person (can't remember which one, though) once said, "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it".
That was Everyn Beatrice Hall, I believe. The one who wrote the biography of Voltaire.
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I_Die_Often
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15.12.2012 - 03:10Rating: 9
I got a kick out of hearing Witch Hunt, that's on of my favorite Rush songs.
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Bulletpr00fMonk
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04.11.2014 - 15:53Rating: 6
Great review! I agree on almost everything I read. The more melodic approach and the metalcore influences made this album quite a disappointment for me, although one probably should not compare this album too much to The Blackening. And I agree on this album being their most accessible, which probably expanded their fanbase. I miss the raw power!
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