Dorian75
Posts: 53 From: Greece |
11.10.2022 - 21:12Rating: 9
Giving this album 5.8 is just prejudice. No matter if you like it or not in comparison with the older stuff, 5.8 is just prejudice. Of course, everybody has his opinion, and blah blah. This album has good songs (no matter how good they could possibly be or how good in comparison with the old repertoire) such as The dying song, hivemind, yen, medicine for the dead, de sade, H377, and finale. Every song is well crafted in a different way. Rating an album with 5.8 means it is close to being unlistenable in every aspect, that has already surpassed the boundaries of personal taste and it is clearly in the area of objective technical, productional, or whatever failures. Considering someone that this album is unlistenable then the problem obviously is not on the album but on the listener. I have all the luxury to say that I don't like something but I understand that is well structured and performed or I don't like something because I think it is crap in every aspect with undisputed problems, such as bad production bad execution and etc. The first scenario is light years away from the second on how I judge an album in each case. So maybe it is time to start separating the first and the second scenario.
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Redel
Posts: 2051 From: Germany |
RedelPosts: 2051 From: Germany
Written by Dorian75 on 11.10.2022 at 21:12
Rating an album with 5.8 means it is close to being unlistenable in every aspect,
A common misunderstanding
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nikarg
Posts: 7038 From: Greece |
Written by Dorian75 on 11.10.2022 at 21:12
Giving this album 5.8 is just empathy. No matter if you like it or not in comparison with the older stuff, 5.8 is just empathy.
Just to avoid misunderstandings, "empathy" in English doesn't have the same meaning as in the Greek language, even though it's a word that comes from Greek. In English, it means "ενσυναίσθηση". I know that what you mean to say is "prejudice" or "bias", but I am just making this clear for the non-Greeks who would be puzzled at the use of "empathy" in your comment.
I haven't listened to the album, but I disagree with what you say, simply because 5.8 means "just below average". And "just below average" in no way means "close to being unlistenable in every aspect". I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
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musclassia
Posts: 7034 From: UK |
12.10.2022 - 16:30Rating: 5
As someone who has scored an album with a 5.8, I can concur that it doesn't mean that an album is unlistenable, or even that it's actively unpleasant to listen to, merely that it's not particularly enjoyable or interesting, for whatever reason is specified in the review. And having listened to this record, I think 5.8 is an extremely reasonable score to give it, regardless of any prior bias towards or against Slipknot that the reviewer may have had; it's just not a particularly good album, by the band's or others' standards
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A Real Mönkey
Posts: 857 From: USA |
Written by nikarg on 12.10.2022 at 10:07
Written by Dorian75 on 11.10.2022 at 21:12
Giving this album 5.8 is just empathy. No matter if you like it or not in comparison with the older stuff, 5.8 is just empathy.
Just to avoid misunderstandings, "empathy" in English doesn't have the same meaning as in the Greek language, even though it's a word that comes from Greek. In English, it means "ενσυναίσθηση". I know that what you mean to say is "prejudice" or "bias", but I am just making this clear for the non-Greeks who would be puzzled at the use of "empathy" in your comment.
Thank you for clarification. Was about to lambast this guy for his vocab, but I always end up forgetting there’s other countries outside of America.
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~Last words of Harambe, seconds before he was shot, according to child he shielded from gunfire
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s_t_s
Posts: 1208 From: France |
s_t_sPosts: 1208 From: France
Only listened to it once but I was pretty disappointed. Let me put this clearly, I am not a great Slipknot fan but I enjoy every twice album (Vol 3, the Gray Chapter and We are Not Your Kind for instance). I like their mixed up bag of songs, sometimes slow, sometimes fast... but here I can seldom enjoy anything and seemingly I'm not the only one. Too bad.
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VileVick-Bryant
Posts: 725 |
13.10.2022 - 04:19Rating: 4
Written by Dorian75 on 11.10.2022 at 21:12
Giving this album 5.8 is just empathy. No matter if you like it or not in comparison with the older stuff, 5.8 is just empathy. Of course, everybody has his opinion, and blah blah. This album has good songs (no matter how good they could possibly be or how good in comparison with the old repertoire) such as The dying song, hivemind, yen, medicine for the dead, de sade, H377, and finale. Every song is well crafted in a different way. Rating an album with 5.8 means it is close to being unlistenable in every aspect, that has already surpassed the boundaries of personal taste and it is clearly in the area of objective technical, productional, or whatever failures. Considering someone that this album is unlistenable then the problem obviously is not on the album but on the listener. I have all the luxury to say that I don't like something but I understand that is well structured and performed or I don't like something because I think it is crap in every aspect with undisputed problems, such as bad production bad execution and etc. The first scenario is light years away from the second on how I judge an album in each case. So maybe it is time to start separating the first and the second scenario.
If anyone has a score that's close to unlistenable it's me. Because I'm am not a fan of them and I mostly found it boring. Even more so then the last album 50 ratings means there's still some stuff that is liked about it but to the listener it isn't that great. 70 rating's is you like some of the tracks but it isn't their best work but it isn't that bad. 70 to 75 is like a C to C+ rating 50 and 60 are like a D or D minus rating while lower is closer to an F. 80's is like a B to B + and and 85 to 89 to 90 is like a A to A +
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Dorian75
Posts: 53 From: Greece |
13.10.2022 - 16:36Rating: 9
Written by nikarg on 12.10.2022 at 10:07
Written by Dorian75 on 11.10.2022 at 21:12
Giving this album 5.8 is just empathy. No matter if you like it or not in comparison with the older stuff, 5.8 is just empathy.
Just to avoid misunderstandings, "empathy" in English doesn't have the same meaning as in the Greek language, even though it's a word that comes from Greek. In English, it means "ενσυναίσθηση". I know that what you mean to say is "prejudice" or "bias", but I am just making this clear for the non-Greeks who would be puzzled at the use of "empathy" in your comment.
I haven't listened to the album, but I disagree with what you say, simply because 5.8 means "just below average". And "just below average" in no way means "close to being unlistenable in every aspect". I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
Thanks for the suggestion my friend about empathy, you are absolutely correct.
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b0sse
Posts: 92 From: Sweden |
b0ssePosts: 92 From: Sweden
Slipknot hasnt put out a good album since 2001 Iowa.
Going mainstream killed their sound.
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Maha_Niwakiru
Posts: 15 From: France |
It's hard coming to the album un-biased since we've been reading for month in various metal media that this album was going THE shit, and then reading interview from band members expressing their lack of time and/or involvement in the material...
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Boxcar Willy yr a kook
Posts: 8973 From: Canada |
17.10.2022 - 22:24Rating: 4
Written by Dorian75 on 11.10.2022 at 21:12
Giving this album 5.8 is just prejudice.
You're right, it deserves far worse.
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Dorian75
Posts: 53 From: Greece |
18.10.2022 - 01:41Rating: 9
So I am gonna stick with what Mike Portnoy said about Slipknot's last album .........
mikeportnoy
I have no idea what @slipknot purists are saying…but for me, this is one of the albums of the year!
Songs like Adderall, Yen, Medicine & Acidic show the band tapping into completely new territories…like Slipknot meets Pink Floyd & Radiohead…and I fuxking LUV IT!! 👏🤘
But it’s also completely brutal at times too…Crazy insane shit…(Btw the fucking MVP performance on the album is @vmanshreds’s bass playing on Adderall 🙌)
For the old school maggots…no, this isn’t Joey & Paul’s Slipknot anymore…but this is a whole new level of Slipknot…creatively firing on all cylinders…and delivering their Sgt Pepper
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Oxygen Thief
Posts: 17 From: UK |
I'm quite surprised at how most comments seem to be in agreement that this is a poor to mediocre album. For one, none of their albums have been as dull as "All Hope is Gone", and for two, I just don't share the feeling that this is rushed and incomplete, it feels like a solid and well above average release to me, full of solid riffs, interesting and energetic vocal work, and some interesting ideas thrown in here and there.
I would probably put it alongside Machine Head's recent release - it's fun, engaging, and I can see myself re-listening to it regularly. I wonder if anyone else would agree with the comparison but come to the opposite conclusion...
As ever I have to compliment the high-quality review writing though, and I appreciate the use of 4-6 ratings as "meh" rather than "absolute unlistenable trash".
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4look4rd The Sasquatch
Posts: 834 From: USA |
4look4rdThe SasquatchPosts: 834 From: USA
Written by Dorian75 on 11.10.2022 at 21:12
Every song is well crafted in a different way. Rating an album with 5.8 means it is close to being unlistenable in every aspect, that has already surpassed the boundaries of personal taste and it is clearly in the area of objective technical, productional, or whatever failures.
A 5.8 means its a mediocre album but not offensively bad. A 6 would have meant a decent but meh album, 7 it has its moments, 8 is good but has flaws, 9 is great, 10 and its just about as perfect as it gets.
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