Oh shit!

Honestly, given the relative mediocrity of the EP, I'm not expecting this to come close to their classic debut. At the very least I hope for a few worthy songs.

New song online.

Written by Cynic Metalhead on 05.02.2014 at 20:48

New song online.

Took two minutes to get to a decent death metal riff, then they pretty much abandoned it again until right at the end, opting for build-up segments which never lead anywhere unbalanced.

Written by [user id=4365] on 07.02.2014 at 11:26
Took two minutes to get to a decent death metal riff, then they pretty much abandoned it again until right at the end, opting for build-up segments which never lead anywhere unbalanced.

From what I can remember that's like every Massacre song ever.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.02.2014 at 14:23


From what I can remember that's like every Massacre song ever.

It's been a while since I listened to them to be honest. I like the sound of this song, but if that's indicative of their songwriting I probably won't bother looking further.

Written by [user id=4365] on 07.02.2014 at 14:26

Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.02.2014 at 14:23


From what I can remember that's like every Massacre song ever.

It's been a while since I listened to them to be honest. I like the sound of this song, but if that's indicative of their songwriting I probably won't bother looking further.

It'll be at least better than new Carcass, Joe.

Damn sure about that.

Written by Cynic Metalhead on 07.02.2014 at 14:56

It'll be at least better than new Carcass, Joe.

Damn sure about that.

Damn sure I disagree with that. If the new song's any indication, I probably won't be checking this out any further as well.

Written by [user id=101272] on 07.02.2014 at 19:26

Written by Cynic Metalhead on 07.02.2014 at 14:56

It'll be at least better than new Carcass, Joe.

Damn sure about that.

Damn sure I disagree with that. If the new song's any indication, I probably won't be checking this out any further as well.

Well, that's your choice.

I'm however damn sure about this disc to better than new Carcass.

Any indication?

Written by deadone on 08.02.2014 at 05:07

Wow. Have people actually heard Massacre's old stuff?

You mean the fun but generic debut or the just generic sophomoric release?

Written by deadone on 08.02.2014 at 05:07

I sill find it enjoyable in the same way I enjoy stuff like Cancer - second tier, DM with good riffs and that's enjoyable in a generic kind of way. I still prefer it to Deicide or Obituary but that's maybe cause the sound isn't as muddy or dense. And fucking Blashpererion - holy shit I hate that song with a passion.

Cancer are, in my opinion, everything a classic DM band shouldn't be, with their awful production and all-around staleness that that prevents it from being one of those "good generic" DM bands/albums like From Beyond and Deicide's/Obituary's first two.

Written by deadone on 08.02.2014 at 05:07

As well as new Carcass, haters gonna hate. I wonder how many people actually still crank "old" Carcass to actually have a valid reference point?

They can spin their Reek Of Putrifications or their Symphonies Of Sicknesses all they want; the later stuff from Necroticism to Heartwork to even Swansong and Surgical Steel are always gonna be better.

Written by deadone on 08.02.2014 at 05:07

I wonder how many people actually still crank "old" Carcass to actually have a valid reference point?

Frequently. Necrotism and Heartwork get played on a regular basis. Every time I do the new record gets a little bit worse.

As for Cancer, people should check out my UK death metal list. You won't find Cancer there, and for good reason.

Written by deadone on 10.02.2014 at 00:19

Actaully one doesn't find Carcass on that list either.

Necrotism could certainly go on there, but that would mean making it 31 albums, which looks scruffy. Everyone and their mother has heard of Carcass anyway.

Written by deadone on 10.02.2014 at 00:38

Same could apply to Akercocke and Napalm Death.

It is meant to be a list of "Finest UK DM" after all? It'd be like doing a Swedish DM and excluding Entombed. Sad pandas may be involved.

Akercocke are popular but not in the same league as Napalm Death and Carcass in terms of popularity.

For the time being I'll just say that Necrotism could be regarded more as goregrind and Heartwork more melodeath

Necroticism is most certainly grind, more grind than melodeath, one could say. And it could be called goregrind though since goregrind is basically grind with a disgusting image (which Carcass most certainly had, even if it was smarter than most grind at the time).

Written by [user id=4365] on 10.02.2014 at 00:29

Necrotism could certainly go on there, but that would mean making it 31 albums, which looks scruffy.

Baskin Robbins would like a word with you.

From Beyond generic? Not at all. That album was simply a victim of timing. Those songs were already written by 1987 and had it came out around then, Massacre would probably be more well respected. Personally, that was my favorite album when I was just getting into death metal. Unfortunately, this new Massacre is as bland as water flavored pancakes and it hardly sounds like the old stuff. This sounds more like "local band" death metal. I was willing to accept this new Massacre if the new vocalist was a worthy frontman but he doesn't cut it for me. Massacre without Kam Lee is like The Misfits without Glenn Danzig. Plus, where are the riffs? I only heard one real riff in that entire song, around 1:53. Old Massacre was brilliant because of the monstrous vocals and the riffs. I'll try to give this new album a fair listen but if "As We Wait to Die" and that last 7" is any indicator, I won't be impressed.

Great,solid album!!!

At least it isn't Promise...

Written by [user id=126528] on 26.03.2014 at 02:32

At least it isn't Promise...

I think I'd rather it be Promise.

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I spin it all and enjoy it all to varying degrees.

I just don't understand the hate against Surgical Steel.

Not sure where the issue is? And what were people expecting?

Personally I think it's an improvement over Heartwork as it's less stiff sounding and goes back to Necroticism a bit more comboed up with some decent Swansong elements.

- After listening to Surgical Steel there was a big question mark over me...is this a B-side of Swansong ? Very likely ! Vocalist sounds exactly the same, musical structure and vocals have not been changed for more than past 10 years ! Only carcass themselves know the truth.
- Look at the back of the extra slipcases of all the carcass newly remastered releases (under Earache), the artwork is the same as the front cover art of Surgical Steel ! Proven it was supposed to release by Earache eventually it was sold eveything as a package to Nuclar Blast ! Therefore all the songs were written very long ago and kept by Earache for more than 10 years.

Written by Dr. Strawberry on 08.04.2014 at 21:06

- After listening to Surgical Steel there was a big question mark over me...is this a B-side of Swansong ? Very likely ! Vocalist sounds exactly the same, musical structure and vocals have not been changed for more than past 10 years ! Only carcass themselves know the truth.

Except Surgical Steel sounded nothing like Swansong bar perhaps a few moments here and there. Not enough to call Surgical Steel a Swansong B-side. It was a mix of Necrotism and Heartwork, albeit taking the weaker elements of both. I'm starting to wonder if you make up half the things you say because your "analyses" are quite ridiculous at the best of times.

Written by [user id=4365] on 09.04.2014 at 00:12

Written by Dr. Strawberry on 08.04.2014 at 21:06

- After listening to Surgical Steel there was a big question mark over me...is this a B-side of Swansong ? Very likely ! Vocalist sounds exactly the same, musical structure and vocals have not been changed for more than past 10 years ! Only carcass themselves know the truth.

Except Surgical Steel sounded nothing like Swansong bar perhaps a few moments here and there. Not enough to call Surgical Steel a Swansong B-side. It was a mix of Necrotism and Heartwork, albeit taking the weaker elements of both. I'm starting to wonder if you make up half the things you say because your "analyses" are quite ridiculous at the best of times.

Pardon me, I just started listening metal last week.
I didn't "cook up" anything, whether it's a B-Side or not...it's only my first impression, very personal. Not yet proven by CIA.

Written by deadone on 18.04.2014 at 11:34

Except Mount Of Execution might as well be on Swansong.

And there's quite a few Swansong moments there.

But I seriously doubt you've spent any time with Surgical Steel (or indeed any Carcass release).

I've spent enough time with it to know that it's primarily a mix of Heartwork and Necrotism, and that calling Surgical Steel "Swansong B-Side" is patently absurd. I've no doubt you've spent more time with Surgical Steel but the fact you appear to agree with God Buster here shows that listening amounts doesn't amount to much if you can't analyse something with any level of discernibility.

Written by deadone on 18.04.2014 at 12:44

The fact that you underplay Swansong elements is proof that you haven't really listened to it. Most of it is closer to Necroticism and Heartwork but the Swansong element is strong.

Oh and the first song is something completely new - a throw back to 1980s Thrash.

I also know that Surgical Steel is a weaker than Necroticism, Heartwork and Swansong, but that is of course just my opinion

Written by deadone on 18.04.2014 at 12:50

So you know sweet fuck all but you have an opinion. That's good for you.

If that angry rationalisation helps you sleep at night then go for it

Back on-topic everyone. This is about the latest bad Massacre album and nto about Surgical Steel's overratedness.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 18.04.2014 at 16:39

Back on-topic everyone. This is about the latest bad Massacre album and nto about Surgical Steel's overratedness.

Thank you. I was waited for the right moment to insert my opinion.
This album is really bad.

But even Surgical Steel is miles beyond this.

I wasn't expecting too much, I don't even like their debut that much, so I didn't know what to expect.
This album should be called "Back From Snore"...

One word: simple.

Hell yeah, I love this thing. The debut wasn't that technical or innovative album to begin with, just straightforward old school death metal, so in case anyone's expecting anything else from this then get ready to be disappointed. Judging from the bad ratings and the awful cover art I thought this was supposed to be really crappy, but luckily it isn't. Sometimes simple ideas just work.