Written by [user id=105293] on 13.02.2011 at 20:53

Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.02.2011 at 20:26

What makes DPP more "pop" than Once is completely subjective, but I suppose my opinion on the matter would be the lack of Tarja.

That's my point actually, it has nothing to do with the music. Master Passion Greed and Whoever Brings The Night are the heaviest songs they've ever done, The Poet And The Pendulum is the most symphonic song they've ever done and Marco was always a better metal singer than Tarja.

Wait, so I just agreed with you?

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FUUUUUU

Written by [user id=105293] on 13.02.2011 at 18:25

I never said DPP rules, Tarja is talentless or Tuomas is god, you little liar. I said that there's no difference between two commercial singles and that there's no reason to hate DPP for having them, when Once get's away with it. Be a man, stop crying about "opinions" and back up your statements.

I just love this part of your post. I'm not saying Once was particularly on the heavy and non-commercial side either (because it very much was), but DPP takes it to a new level. I'm no musician, and there is no way for me to talk about it in actual musical terms to try and prove it to you. I still have properly working ears, though, and for something like this, it's enough.
Oh, and one more thing. I don't know what passes for "being a man" in whatever culture you identify yourself with, but in mine, proving a point to some random Internet fucktard just means you have nothing better to, and I'm ashamed I let this argument even go as far and long as it did.
I'm done posting on this thread. I wish you good luck on your "Justice for DPP" crusade.

Written by Slayer666 on 14.02.2011 at 12:47

I just love this part of your post. I'm not saying Once was particularly on the heavy and non-commercial side either (because it very much was), but DPP takes it to a new level. I'm no musician, and there is no way for me to talk about it in actual musical terms to try and prove it to you. I still have properly working ears, though, and for something like this, it's enough.

You don't need to be a musician. All you need to do is make a comparison between the two albums.

The Poet And The Pendulum is in the same category as Ghost Love Score, but less accessible, because it has a more complicated structure and features more vocalists. So DPP is less commercial here.

Next we have the singles - Amaranth and Nemo, Wish I had An Angel and Bye Bye Beautiful, all very accessible and commercial. That would be a draw. But then there's also The Siren and The Islander, two less commercial singles. I'd say The Islander is more accessible. So here, DPP is slightly more commercial.

Now we get to the angry heavier songs. Master Passion Greed is along the same vein as Romanticide, between the two, MPG is clearly heavier and less accessible. Sahara OTOH is probably more accessible than Planet Hell. There's nothing equivalent to Whoever Brings The Night on Once, nor is there an instrumental piece like The Last Of The Wilds, but Creek Mary's Blood is far from being accessible, as is the seven minute oddly structured 7 Days To The Wolves.

Now we're pretty much left with filler and boring ballads.

Based on what I've just demonstrated I don't see how DPP can sound any more commercial, whether you're a musician or not.

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Oh, and one more thing. I don't know what passes for "being a man" in whatever culture you identify yourself with, but in mine, proving a point to some random Internet fucktard just means you have nothing better to, and I'm ashamed I let this argument even go as far and long as it did.

You should only be ashamed of posting several long replies if you had nothing to say. There's no shame in clarifying your point. I don't understand why people think otherwise.

You know, I just gotta ask. Why do you guys gotta fight like this? I mean, it's like Matt Tuck says "We're all one big metal family" so we need to act like it. Everyone has different tastes. And you know, some of you are right, opinion is not fact. I don't care if God himself came down from the heavens and says that Nightwish sucks huge, hairy, monkey balls, the FACT is that my opinion is that they are great. I really like them. I mean I am new to Nightwish, but what I have heard so far I find to be incredible. I mean honestly, everyone is different. If everyone was the same this world would be extremely boring. And when metal began, it wasn't about everyone being the same, no. In fact it was all about non-conformity. Yet everyone these days is trying to get everyone to conform and like certain bands only and if you don't do that we start attacking each other on the web. What's the deal with that? We should all be like "Well, I don't really like 'em. Their too light, or their too heavy" you know, point out what you don't like about them. But don't insult them and thier fans. I mean, if it was a fact that Panterra was better than Nightwish (which i happen to love panterra) or that Apocalyptica is better than Linkin Park (uh I'd have to say I do like Apocalyptica better than Linkin Park esp the new Linkin Park) then it would be understandable to attack each other. But it isn't a fact, it is an opinion. And honestly, how the hell you gonna beat someone up and bash 'em over the head for their opionion, especially considering what metal used to mean. I mean honestly. We're losing sight here. So why don't we all just get along? Or at least try. And don't knock it until you try it.

Written by deathstar180 on 19.02.2011 at 01:04

You know, I just gotta ask. Why do you guys gotta fight like this? I mean, it's like Matt Tuck says "We're all one big metal family" so we need to act like it. Everyone has different tastes. And you know, some of you are right, opinion is not fact. I don't care if God himself came down from the heavens and says that Nightwish sucks huge, hairy, monkey balls, the FACT is that my opinion is that they are great. I really like them. I mean I am new to Nightwish, but what I have heard so far I find to be incredible. I mean honestly, everyone is different. If everyone was the same this world would be extremely boring. And when metal began, it wasn't about everyone being the same, no. In fact it was all about non-conformity. Yet everyone these days is trying to get everyone to conform and like certain bands only and if you don't do that we start attacking each other on the web. What's the deal with that? We should all be like "Well, I don't really like 'em. Their too light, or their too heavy" you know, point out what you don't like about them. But don't insult them and thier fans. I mean, if it was a fact that Panterra was better than Nightwish (which i happen to love panterra) or that Apocalyptica is better than Linkin Park (uh I'd have to say I do like Apocalyptica better than Linkin Park esp the new Linkin Park) then it would be understandable to attack each other. But it isn't a fact, it is an opinion. And honestly, how the hell you gonna beat someone up and bash 'em over the head for their opionion, especially considering what metal used to mean. I mean honestly. We're losing sight here. So why don't we all just get along? Or at least try. And don't knock it until you try it.

I find it contradictory to talk about non-conformity, while saying "We're all one big metal family" at the same time.

Considering metal a family or even a community, is a concept that always made me laugh. A fallacy. There is no such thing as a metal community in my mind (only people who have interest for a kind of music that encompasses sub-genres so different from each others nowadays there is almost no common element between them), simply because of individuality. There is no common thought shared by everyone or even a majority of fans that would encompass everything. There is no guideline, rule or whatever. We see things according to our own personality, interests, tastes, etc. Those who like metal come from all kinds of places, dress in every way you can imagine, do all kinds of jobs, etc, etc, etc...
Do I really need to add on this?

Metal is only music for most of us. Unless you're a musician playing in a band, it's only a hobby.
You won't find 2 persons with exactly the same tastes all the time.
Metal is not like the society in which we're living. This society has rules and we're really active in it, by our work and all. Just listening to metal is not a link sufficient to call it a community.

Metal seen as a community is no more than a concept for those who seek acceptance. And those people are trying to be 'part of the gang', which is the opposite of individuality.

Written by RavenKing on 19.02.2011 at 17:07

Metal seen as a community is no more than a concept for those who seek acceptance. And those people are trying to be 'part of the gang', which is the opposite of individuality.

EXACTLY!

Why no one is talking about the movie or the idea behind the concept? This is not the thread of DDP vs Once.

Written by Evil Chip on 20.02.2011 at 01:21

Why no one is talking about the movie or the idea behind the concept? This is not the thread of DDP vs Once.

People were - until someone mentioned DPP. Then everything went to shit.