Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.01.2012 at 23:07

Written by [user id=35732] on 07.01.2012 at 23:03
What reminds? Lots of negative comments and a couple neutral.

Nah, not the comments, but the actual news. I mean... a movie release? Come on.

Back in the day they refused to make music videos. Oh wait, music videos make you money? Music video created.
Then they started writing radio-friendly music to be played on rock stations. Money.
Then they pump out more useless shit like Garbage Days and some lame attempt at collaborating with a symphony.
Then St. Anger. Then Dick Boss producing Megadethnetic. Then the pretentious Loutallica.
And now a movie.

You really can't claim that Lulu was about money. They may have been expecting it to sell a ton just because it's a Metallica album (Inb4 apologists whining about how it's not an official Metallica album), but if they were creating an album just for the sake of money, they would just release a thrash album, because that's what the fans want, and is what would sell the most.

I don't see what the big deal is..... Bands make long form videos and documentaries all the time. What does 3D contribute that is so negative or makes them deserving of derision?

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If they were creating an album just for the sake of money, they would just release a thrash album, because that's what the fans want, and is what would sell the most.

What the fans want, yes. What would sell the most? Not necessarily. What would sell the most would be generic alternative metal, like what they did after And Justice and before Death Magnetic. But regardless of the quality of the music they release, Metallica will always sell a shit ton of albums because, well... they're Metallica.

^ Pretty much what he said.

It's not so much that Lulu was a sellout album, it's more so that Metallica can do whatever they want and make money, and they know it. So collaborating with a washed up artist like Lou Reed seems to me more like they're fucking around because they know they can, whereas they couldn't afford to make those ... uh, experimental changes in the past.

Http://www.mac-archive.com/metallica/sales.html

It isn't included, but DM has sold about 2 million in the US. Aside from Da Blaq Album, their best selling recordings are thrash. Garage Inc has inflated numbers from having two disks, so sales would actually be around 2.5 M. I'm not going to venture into what's pandering to the crowd and what is selling out, because I think it is pretty irrelevant at this point and doesn't have much to do with why some people think a 3D movie is such a shitty thing. I'm still waiting for a response to my question above.

Written by afu on 08.01.2012 at 12:08
It isn't included, but DM has sold about 2 million in the US. Aside from Da Blaq Album, their best selling recordings are thrash.

I wasn't around at the time, but I'm pretty sure the '80s didn't have the internet.

These guys are like the Mariah Carey of the metal industry...The think they are soooo special.

Written by VloRD on 08.01.2012 at 14:03

These guys are like the Mariah Carey of the metal industry...The think they are soooo special.

That was the quote of 2012! (Too soon to have "best of" ?!)
They're like a money machine!

They release Lulu, it sells.
They walk around naked, it sells.
They use public toilets, it sells.
They say we are no Metallica, it sells.

What's wrong with the people?!

Written by Troy Killjoy on 08.01.2012 at 12:40

Written by afu on 08.01.2012 at 12:08
It isn't included, but DM has sold about 2 million in the US. Aside from Da Blaq Album, their best selling recordings are thrash.

I wasn't around at the time, but I'm pretty sure the '80s didn't have the internet.

My original question remains unanswered and I have no idea what you are getting at with that response.

I loled when I read the news.

And people think that Dimmu Borgir sold out? FUCKING PLEASE

Written by afu on 08.01.2012 at 21:22
My original question remains unanswered and I have no idea what you are getting at with that response.

Comparing sales factors from the '80s to the 2000s is pointless, because in the '80s the closest you could get to an illegal download was via tape trading.

So it's no surprise the material from the '80s has outsold the modern stuff. Everyone just downloads.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 09.01.2012 at 03:09

Comparing sales factors from the '80s to the 2000s is pointless, because in the '80s the closest you could get to an illegal download was via tape trading.

So it's no surprise the material from the '80s has outsold the modern stuff. Everyone just downloads.

Well, people weren't rampantly downloading in the late 90's and, other than Load, none of them come close to 1984-1991. If you go to the RIAA website, you can actually pull up sales achievements for any band and what date they were awarded.

It still doesn't really have anything to do with why a 3-D concert is such a bad thing. If Iron Maiden was doing this, would anyone be bitching? I think it's cool that a band is doing this, no matter which band it is. I figure this will coincide with their next release, perhaps a "basement tape/DVD" type of thing like they have already done (along with a ton of other bands) or it will be a live performance.

Considering how good theater sound has become and how well 3-D tech is progressing, this could be really awesome. I can already imagine sitting in a theater pretending to slap Lars in the head as he floats in front of me.

A 3d movie??? what about??? why??
oh boy... maybe it could become as avoidable as Lulu

So what? So what?

I seriously hate the 3D hype.

Written by afu on 09.01.2012 at 06:22
If Iron Maiden was doing this, would anyone be bitching?

I would be.

And 3D is terrible, but that's a separate argument that doesn't have a place here.

I hope the 3D effects will not be used on Kirks Whammy bar, I dont think my eyes could take it.

Written by Behdaad on 08.01.2012 at 14:25
They release Lulu, it sells.

Nope, it did not. If you compare how much Lulu sold compared to Death Magnetic, it was a total flop sales wise.

Meh... whatever 'tallica seriously

Written by Angelic Storm on 09.01.2012 at 19:34

Written by Behdaad on 08.01.2012 at 14:25
They release Lulu, it sells.

Nope, it did not. If you compare how much Lulu sold compared to Death Magnetic, it was a total flop sales wise.

I know, I was just joking about "Metallica sell whatever they do" stuff.

Lulu was a success for Metallica! They did what they haven't been able to do! They created something that people didn't like! )

Written by Troy Killjoy on 09.01.2012 at 17:10
And 3D is terrible, but that's a separate argument that doesn't have a place here.

I think 3D has a bigger relevance to the story than bitching about them selling out. If putting a film in theaters is selling out, then did Anthrax, Megadeth, and Slayer sell out with Metallica when the Big 4 concert was broadcast to theaters? What about Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd?

Written by Behdaad on 09.01.2012 at 21:09
I know, I was just joking about "Metallica sell whatever they do" stuff.

Lulu was a success for Metallica! They did what they haven't been able to do! They created something that people didn't like! )

Ah okay, fair enough then. hehe

They created something people didn't like a long time before Lulu. The difference with Lulu is, even many of the staunchest supporters of their post-90' output baulked at it!

Written by afu on 09.01.2012 at 21:17
I think 3D has a bigger relevance to the story than bitching about them selling out. If putting a film in theaters is selling out, then did Anthrax, Megadeth, and Slayer sell out with Metallica when the Big 4 concert was broadcast to theaters? What about Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd?

You're asking me about a load of bands I have no interest in. But for the sake of making you upset, yes. All of those bands are sellouts.

LoL. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean you're upsetting me. I just think it's ridiculous.

Written by @gent_-_orange on 09.01.2012 at 18:59

I hope the 3D effects will not be used on Kirks Whammy bar, I dont think my eyes could take it.

Or his Wah pedal. It would be like watching PacMan...

Written by afu on 09.01.2012 at 21:17

Written by Troy Killjoy on 09.01.2012 at 17:10
And 3D is terrible, but that's a separate argument that doesn't have a place here.

I think 3D has a bigger relevance to the story than bitching about them selling out. If putting a film in theaters is selling out, then did Anthrax, Megadeth, and Slayer sell out with Metallica when the Big 4 concert was broadcast to theaters? What about Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd?

Do NOT compare Metallica with Pink Floyd and Zeppelin, their not in the same league. I guess you are talking about Zeppelin's The Song Remains the same and The Wall. These are two really good movies. Are you that naive that Metallica's future 3D movie would be as good?

There's nothing wrong with putting out documentaries and concert dvds. They can do that, I don't mind, I would even buy something like that. But I for one do not understand how a 3d movie can be something good or relevant to the band's career. How will the 3D make things better or make the movie more watchable. If I want to see them perform I would go to see them live (I did that already) or buy a concert dvd.

Who is the target audience for this movie? Only people that like these 3D tricks and are fanboys.

Written by [user id=17278] on 10.01.2012 at 14:43
Do NOT compare Metallica with Pink Floyd and Zeppelin, their not in the same league. I guess you are talking about Zeppelin's The Song Remains the same and The Wall. These are two really good movies. Are you that naive that Metallica's future 3D movie would be as good?

There's nothing wrong with putting out documentaries and concert dvds. They can do that, I don't mind, I would even buy something like that. But I for one do not understand how a 3d movie can be something good or relevant to the band's career. How will the 3D make things better or make the movie more watchable. If I want to see them perform I would go to see them live (I did that already) or buy a concert dvd.

Who is the target audience for this movie? Only people that like these 3D tricks and are fanboys.

First of all, Metallica is in the same league as them. They've sold upwards of 100 million albums and have a fan base that covers the world, just as Zep and Floyd do. Any comments about the merit of songwriting are subjective and useless.

Second, a 3D movie is just fucking cool, in my opinion. It does add something. When I was a very young kind, my parents to me to Disneyland and I saw Captain E-O by Micheal Jackson. I was only about 7 and it blew my mind. It was great to see a realistic Michael Jackson dancing and singing in front of me. The technology has become better since the mid-80's, so I would expect a better experience (and I'd enjoy it more, since I actually like Metallica).

Third, of course it's for fans. They wouldn't make a movie for fans of (insert different genre/pop band) to go see. I imagine that many metal fans were not rushing out in 1990 to see U2's Rattle and Hum, but it wasn't made for them. A similar argument would be for someone who despises horror movies to bitch about any particular scary movie being released, because they are not the target audience.

Written by afu on 11.01.2012 at 00:56
First of all, Metallica is in the same league as them. They've sold upwards of 100 million albums and have a fan base that covers the world, just as Zep and Floyd do.

PF = over 200m, Zep closer to 300m. 100m is impressive, but they aren't in the same league.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 11.01.2012 at 01:09

Written by afu on 11.01.2012 at 00:56
First of all, Metallica is in the same league as them. They've sold upwards of 100 million albums and have a fan base that covers the world, just as Zep and Floyd do.

PF = over 200m, Zep closer to 300m. 100m is impressive, but they aren't in the same league.

Both bands have more than 10 years on Metallica and, in Zeps case, was performing a style of music which was extremely popular and was already mined by The Rolling Stones, The Yardbirds, Cream, and others. Of all the zillions of bands out there, Metallica is the 49th best selling band ever and is the best selling metal band in the world. I'd say that places them in the same league, considering how (non-glam) metal has never been the dominant genre in the US, where most records are sold. Even Metallica's Golden Goose, self titled album hit during grunge and still managed to sell a shitload of albums.

Also, Metallica are still a functioning unit and both of the other bands released their movies during their functional periods; 36 years ago for Zep; 30 years ago for Floyd. It is certain their album sales were much smaller at those times. Zeppelin had been a band for about 8 years. Floyd had been a band for about 12 years. Metallica's been around for about 30 years.

So, 100 million records isn't as much as the older bands, but I think it's splitting hairs to say that they aren't in the same league when most bands don't even approach the level of sales that any of the bands have achieved.