Written by Windrider on 02.02.2014 at 16:59

How can one change their vote again if he forgot or simply mistyped something?? I think this was possible in the last years... and crucial.

You go to the index part of the awards. You should be able to see a red x on the left of your votes. Clicking the ex near the specific vote will delete said vote.

I forgot where, but I saw Plagues of Babylon on one of the categories. That album was released in 2014 so I don't think it actually qualifies haha

Written by Uldreth on 02.02.2014 at 13:34


Another thing that irks me a bit is the aforementioned un-segregation of the death metal category, as right now it seems to be filled with OSDM and post-DM, whilst I'd defo like to check out some tech-death, which is almost completely absent from the awards.

I also think that tech death should have a separate category. I remember that there was a huge discussion about that back in 2011 because of abundance of good tech death records that year.
In another note, I should say again that post-death seems like an over-used or even misused term here on MS. I really don't think that it's trully a sub-genre of death metal.

Written by LascaillesShroud on 02.02.2014 at 17:34

I forgot where, but I saw Plagues of Babylon on one of the categories. That album was released in 2014 so I don't think it actually qualifies haha

I haven't checked yet, but I bet it's in "Biggest Letdown"

Written by mz on 02.02.2014 at 18:46
In another note, I should say again that post-death seems like an over-used or even misused term here on MS. I really don't think that it's trully a sub-genre of death metal.

I don't think it's really overused since extremely few bands would fall into that category. The name does work nicely for bands like Ulcerate where those post influences are clear as water, so I'd have no idea what to call them otherwise. Let time run its course, if more bands come up with similar sounds, I think the genre tag will be used more and more.

In which category I can vote for AiC?

Written by X-Ray Rod on 02.02.2014 at 20:13

I don't think it's really overused since extremely few bands would fall into that category. The name does work nicely for bands like Ulcerate where those post influences are clear as water, so I'd have no idea what to call them otherwise. Let time run its course, if more bands come up with similar sounds, I think the genre tag will be used more and more.

Remember we had a discussion on this topic a while ago? As I said, likes of ulcerate and flourishing can be attributed to this term but I have no idea how gorguts, portal antediluvian etc can be called post-death metal.
I'd be glad to see more bands being called post-death, only if they actually play post death of any sort. This sub-genre is really promising.

Written by R Lewis on 02.02.2014 at 20:07

Written by LascaillesShroud on 02.02.2014 at 17:34

I forgot where, but I saw Plagues of Babylon on one of the categories. That album was released in 2014 so I don't think it actually qualifies haha

I haven't checked yet, but I bet it's in "Biggest Letdown"

Hey I actually liked the album

But I think that was indeed the category haha

Written by [user id=28526] on 02.02.2014 at 20:21

In which category I can vote for AiC?

I'd say hard rock.

Written by mz on 02.02.2014 at 20:33
I have no idea how gorguts, portal antediluvian etc can be called post-death metal.

I've never seen anyone call those bands post-death around here. If they exist I friggin hope they are not staffers because that's just retarded.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 02.02.2014 at 21:26

...If they exist I friggin hope they are not staffers because that's just retarded.

We finally agree on something. That's exactly what I mean.

Written by LascaillesShroud on 02.02.2014 at 20:58

Hey I actually liked the album

I also did, but I was accostumed to far better material from IE

Written by mz on 02.02.2014 at 21:39
We finally agree on something. That's exactly what I mean.

Well, yeah... we agree on that. But we clearly disagree on the term being misused on MS (I neither care or know about other websites).
I actually checked the threads for the latest Portal, Gorguts and Antediluvian (review threads included)... I haven't seen anyone even mention the word "post". The only exception being in the Portal album thread but it doesn't count as it was only taken as an example in categorization of genres and wasn't about the album itself. So... Yeah.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 02.02.2014 at 21:52

Well, yeah... we agree on that. But we clearly disagree on the term being misused on MS (I neither care or know about other websites).
I actually checked the threads for the latest Portal, Gorguts and Antediluvian (review threads included)... I haven't seen anyone even mention the word "post". The only exception being in the Portal album thread but it doesn't count as it was only taken as an example in categorization of genres and wasn't about the album itself. So... Yeah.

look at this list , for instance. The term is over-used there and I'm sure that I've seen such thing on other occasions here on MS. Granted, staff members does not fail in this game. I get the feeling that every mega dense, noxious and/or dissonant death metal album is going to be labeled such by MS members.
Also, despite the fact that I think post-death metal term was invited by MS community, I've seen other sites also using it, both in healthy and unhealthy manners.

Written by mz on 02.02.2014 at 22:06
The term is over-used there and I'm sure that I've seen such thing on other occasions here on MS.

Well... It's fine that it's overused there. Because it's just a list.

I tend to refer to those superdense death metal bands like Ulcerate/Mitochondrion/Flourishing/Portal/Disbelief etc. as post-death, and I think the term is quite descriptive. Gorguts is not post-death by any means.

Written by Uldreth on 02.02.2014 at 23:21

I tend to refer to those superdense death metal bands like Ulcerate/Mitochondrion/Flourishing/Portal/Disbelief etc. as post-death, and I think the term is quite descriptive. Gorguts is not post-death by any means.

Neither is Portal. Not a single trail of post-metal there. A very traditional band that plays on the old school formula just different than the rest.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 02.02.2014 at 23:31



Neither is Portal. Not a single trail of post-metal there. A very traditional band that plays on the old school formula just different than the rest.

Doesn't have to.

Post- does not necessarily mean post-metal. The reason I like the term (and probably why many others dislike it) is because it is quite descriptive without having to have a single meaning.

Post-rock is an atmospheric, halcyon version of rock music with much different structures and songwriting methods, and post-hardcore is short, chaotic and erratic. The two prefixes don't mean the same in the two genres. Post-thrash metal, although not used nowadays a lot does not imply anything post-rock-ish at all either.

In this case, it refers to that dense, noisy wall-of-sound like sound these bands pretty much all have. And I prefer the term existing, because due to this they don't exactly sound like OSDM, even if technically they are and it is much easier to say "post-death metal" than "dense-sounding OSDM that is similiar to Portal", so now the term is justified.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. Because although I do see a connection betweens all the bands you listed (but I can't speak for Disbelief as I haven't heard them), Portal stand out like a sore thumb with it's completely different sound that is too traditional to go with the other guys and it seems ludicrous to me to use the same tag for Portal.

Written by Uldreth on 02.02.2014 at 23:40

Written by X-Ray Rod on 02.02.2014 at 23:31



Neither is Portal. Not a single trail of post-metal there. A very traditional band that plays on the old school formula just different than the rest.

Doesn't have to.

Post- does not necessarily mean post-metal. The reason I like the term (and probably why many others dislike it) is because it is quite descriptive without having to have a single meaning.

Post-rock is an atmospheric, halcyon version of rock music with much different structures and songwriting methods, and post-hardcore is short, chaotic and erratic. The two prefixes don't mean the same in the two genres. Post-thrash metal, although not used nowadays a lot does not imply anything post-rock-ish at all either.

In this case, it refers to that dense, noisy wall-of-sound like sound these bands pretty much all have. And I prefer the term existing, because due to this they don't exactly sound like OSDM, even if technically they are and it is much easier to say "post-death metal" than "dense-sounding OSDM that is similiar to Portal", so now the term is justified.

someone on this site suggested calling such dense death metal with black metal hints "plague metal"
i consider that a great idea, despite agreeing to your post-argumentation

Written by X-Ray Rod on 02.02.2014 at 23:47

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. Because although I do see a connection betweens all the bands you listed (but I can't speak for Disbelief as I haven't heard them), Portal stand out like a sore thumb with it's completely different sound that is too traditional to go with the other guys and it seems ludicrous to me to use the same tag for Portal.

I will admit, I am not really into this scene so I am not the biggest expert on these bands, in fact the only band from this category I used to regularily listen to is Impetuous Ritual, the rest I only gave glancing listens (Ulcerate does seem quite appealing though), but I can definitely see the similiarity in approach. Let's face it, we call Times of Grace-era Neurosis post-metal too, and it does not sound like, say, Isis at all, which we also call post-metal.
And the worst offender in the post-category is probably post-hardcore, I could link you several post-hc bands that aside from having clearly audible hardcore roots, do not sound like one another AT ALL. In this regard, I think Portal does not even stick out that much hahah. I definitely get what you are saying, but Portal always gets lumped into the same category as the other bands, in pretty much every fucking heavy music forum I have ever been at, and I see the term justified because it is just far easier to refer to these bands as such instead of using long-winded descriptions.

Written by theFIST on 02.02.2014 at 23:53


someone on this site suggested calling such dense death metal with black metal hints "plague metal"
i consider that a great idea, despite agreeing to your post-argumentation

I think that was Marcel hahah. But unless I remember a different discussion, he jokingly suggested that term for blackened death metal bands since "black death" was the informal term for the bubonic plague. At any rate that sounds like a quite good description for this kind of music .

Written by Uldreth on 03.02.2014 at 00:01

Written by theFIST on 02.02.2014 at 23:53


someone on this site suggested calling such dense death metal with black metal hints "plague metal"
i consider that a great idea, despite agreeing to your post-argumentation

I think that was Marcel hahah. But unless I remember a different discussion, he jokingly suggested that term for blackened death metal bands since "black death" was the informal term for the bubonic plague. At any rate that sounds like a quite good description for this kind of music .

I indeed suggested it jokingly due to the exact reason you stated

Written by deadone on 03.02.2014 at 00:49
I wonder if there's such a thing as post-post?

Meta metal?

Written by Moose on 02.02.2014 at 04:40

10% of Killswitch's votes are 10's.
47% of Ovid's votes are 10's.

This is extraordinarily flawed due to OW having 15 total votes and KSE having 122.

Written by MeloDeathViking on 01.02.2014 at 20:12

For anyone having trouble finding the albums to check out, look on Spotify. They were my best friend during last two MS Awards.

I tried yesterday, and half of the albums I searched for aren't available. It seems to me that the staff finds lesser known bands each year... which is a great thing, actually

Besides, where would I vote for Keldian? In the Power Metal category?

Written by beyondtehdarksun on 03.02.2014 at 09:06

Written by MeloDeathViking on 01.02.2014 at 20:12

For anyone having trouble finding the albums to check out, look on Spotify. They were my best friend during last two MS Awards.

Besides, where would I vote for Keldian? In the Power Metal category?

Yeah, Power Metal.

Written by Boxcar Willy on 03.02.2014 at 04:23

Written by Moose on 02.02.2014 at 04:40

10% of Killswitch's votes are 10's.
47% of Ovid's votes are 10's.

This is extraordinarily flawed due to OW having 15 total votes and KSE having 122.

Slightly flawed, but not extraordinarily. It's still a strong indicator.
Go back to the point where Killswitch had 15 votes and they were rated even lower than they are now.
Meanwhile, pretty much everyone who's listened to/voted on OW thought it was amazing. I would agree with you if it was just 3 votes, but 15 is getting to the point where the rating is a reliable method of judging the album's quality. Average albums don't start out on 9.1 after 15 votes, generally only the best albums of the year do.
The band just lacks exposure. And a metalstorm awards nomination would have been the perfect opportunity to give them that exposure which they deserve.

On a side note, I was more than satisfied with The Doctors previous reply, so let it be known that while I'm disappointing by their exclusion, I've concluded my whinging about this issue haha.

Quite disappointed that Abyssal/Antediluvian/Grave Miasma/Obliteration didn't make it, but anyway my vote is reserved for Tribulation.

Besides I'm happy that Blindead finally got the nomination. It was the weakest album of their career, but still.

Where should I vote for Pryapisme - Hyperblast Super Collider? Users are writing in both in avantgarde and cyber/industrial categories.