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Damn, Zep. I thought you were actually joking but you really do seem to believe in some kind of ownership of bands and artists. That's a worrying state of mind.
The only time we should ever have a say, or at least have some expectation, is kickstarter-type affairs when the artist asks for money upfront, like Devin Townsend recently did.
And this whole change when "negative" thing is a matter of perspective. A band can change in a way that gets them more critical acclaim but less financial or popular success, or they can sacrifice artistic credibility to aim for a broader audience, thus making them more money and gaining more popularity. Which of these is truly "negative"? As far as I'm concerned a band, no matter how popular or respected, can do what they want as long as they deal with the public repercussions in the right way and not be a dick if people turn around and say they don't like it.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 10.04.2014 at 02:44
Blah blah OMG Zep is furrealziriuz OMG blah blah
This clip will accurately portray your response after you watch this clip.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=coOxrm4CU0U
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You made the fatal error of not using any sort of smiley, thus indicating your seriousnessness
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I for one cant wait! all you haters can crawl back in your holes and listen to whatever senseless garbage turns you on these days. I've got a new opeth and a new mastodon album to look forward to, its gonna be a good summer!! and saying that you are unhappy with steven wilsons involvement is fn ridiculous!! he produced blackwater park, deliverance and damnation. Do i think this will be their best work....unlikely!! But iam POSITIVE i will enjoy it immensly like all of their work. Heritage is still a very good album if you take it for what it is. Asking Opeth to betray their creative impulses and continue to make music that will appease their old school fans rather than evolving into what they want to be at this time is shameful. Not saying you have to like it just stop with the hating!!
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Cynic Metalhead Ambrish Saxena
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I always loved Opeth fanboys whining.
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Written by Cynic Metalhead on 10.04.2014 at 10:09
I always loved Opeth fanboys whining.
What fanboy whining? People are saying how shitty heritage was.
Oh wait, I remember heritage used to piss you off befor it was release. You clearly need to justify your whinings about "opeth whining" more properly
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I had this special power to determine how new Opeth albums gonna shape. Yes, I was so pissed off about Heritage release 'cause I dreamt of listening Heritage record on my pad even it wasn't released. I woke up in the morning super pissed about another pile of bear shit Opeth spitted from their studio. I posted here and people went apeshit on me. Unfortunately, Heritage turned to be cut-above average record( few songs were good enough).
Don't ask about this album. I've lost the power now.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 10.04.2014 at 04:04
You made the fatal error of not using any sort of smiley, thus indicating your seriousnessness
It's not trolling if you use smileys. Thus no fatal error was made.
I thought the playfully bad spelling and ALL CAPS made it obvious I was not serious, but you all proceeded to take me seriously despite it, so i just ran with it for a minute. Not often do I get such a prime opportunity to troll around here.
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Every band/artist have the right make whatever type of music they want.
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I Likez Heritage.
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Written by Erik M. on 09.04.2014 at 20:48
Written by [user id=101272] on 08.04.2014 at 20:37
Written by Lethrokai on 08.04.2014 at 20:34
Your thoughts?
Not positive.
Same here. Why does Steven Wilson have to meddle with everything Opeth does? It's damn annoying, that's what that is.
You are aware that Steven Wilson has worked on every album since Blackwater Park...it's not exactly a new thing, he is basically the 6th member of Opeth.
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Written by Mugthulhu on 10.04.2014 at 18:31
Every band/artist have the right make whatever type of music they want.
Every listener has the right to bash the hell out an album if it didn't live up to the expectation. Then don't feel sorry about your favorite band is getting bashed.
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I didn't like Heritage at all But I am hopefull this new album will be better. Good thing to hear that it will be more Melodic
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It is not a good thing , I presume it will be the most shitty alnum in their history...
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Steven Wilson crated this band (at least the good albums) and now he is going to destroy it (heritage and now this 70´s crap album) what a prick!
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Is it just me, or does Steven Wilson not write the music.
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Written by Erik M. on 09.04.2014 at 21:18 Opeth a.k.a. Mikael Akerfeldt (the dictator) is a selfish... guy. I used to like him a lot, but he kind of ruined it by saying he doesn't care about what Opeth fans want, and he just does whatever suits him and no-one else.
Well.. Basically ALL bands are making music they WANT to make, no matter what the fans are saying, so I wont say it's a selfish thing. Imagine being in a band, making music you're not satisfied with, only because you have to do everything to please the fans only and not yourself. Sounds like a shitty job
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Written by Erik M. on 09.04.2014 at 21:18
Written by psykometal on 09.04.2014 at 18:15
@Troy Because that's what being a fan is all about, right? Expecting bands to conform to the will of the fans, instead of having their own agenda. Bands are supposed to cater to theirs fans, and when they don't, they're just downright selfish pricks. Gah. Figured you would know this kind of stuff by now. >.>
Opeth a.k.a. Mikael Akerfeldt (the dictator) is a selfish... guy. I used to like him a lot, but he kind of ruined it by saying he doesn't care about what Opeth fans want, and he just does whatever suits him and no-one else. I hope you're being sarcastic by the way. I'm not saying Opeth needs to do what most of the fans want, but he should at least be grateful to the fans. Without fans they wouldn't even be popular (or exist) in the first place.
Well, Opeth would not have any fans if there was no Opeth music in the first place. And what do you mean by being grateful to the fans as if they were some sort of Opeth charity fund. Everything is easier: a musician makes music; if people like it enough, they start buying it and going to concerts. That's it. No musician should care about what the fans will think about his new record. The musician should make and release music he thinks is worthwhile and which he likes himself, and it so happens that people like it, that's awesome, but if not, oh well.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 16.04.2014 at 18:53
Is it just me, or does Steven Wilson not write the music.
I somehow feel that Steven Wilson is to Mikael kind of what Grima is to King Théoden.
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Written by Fallen Ghost on 19.04.2014 at 10:53
Well.. Basically ALL bands are making music they WANT to make, no matter what the fans are saying, so I wont say it's a selfish thing. Imagine being in a band, making music you're not satisfied with, only because you have to do everything to please the fans only and not yourself. Sounds like a shitty job
I agree, but I didn't imply that, nor did I say that, ever. I think Opeth should do whatever they want to, but my point was that Mikael seems to have become some kind of dictator in the band, acting (in interviews for example) that he created all the songs himself. And if that is the case, then it means the other band members have far less influence on Opeth's music. And that's a bad thing in my opinion, even though it's obvious that Mikael is the most influential and talented band member. Mikael also doesn't really seem very thankful to his fans, at least that's the impression I got from him.
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Written by K✞ulu on 19.04.2014 at 11:15
Well, Opeth would not have any fans if there was no Opeth music in the first place. And what do you mean by being grateful to the fans as if they were some sort of Opeth charity fund. Everything is easier: a musician makes music; if people like it enough, they start buying it and going to concerts. That's it. No musician should care about what the fans will think about his new record. The musician should make and release music he thinks is worthwhile and which he likes himself, and it so happens that people like it, that's awesome, but if not, oh well.
A band can care about their fans and still do whatever they want. Being a non-musician, I might be wrong, but I'd say it's really strange if a band does not care about what their fans think of them. Opinions are always important and it's ludicrous to state that a musician shouldn't care about what others think of their music. Praising/criticizing music (feedback) is important for the musician I'd say. It's pretty simple: a band should be grateful to the fans because without the fans (buying their music/merchandise, going to gigs etc.) they wouldn't exist or be popular. When a band is not grateful to its fans I'd call them arrogant pricks.
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Written by Erik M. on 21.04.2014 at 16:55
A band can care about their fans and still do whatever they want. Being a non-musician, I might be wrong, but I'd say it's really strange if a band does not care about what their fans think of them. Opinions are always important and it's ludicrous to state that a musician shouldn't care about what others think of their music. Praising/criticizing music (feedback) is important for the musician I'd say. It's pretty simple: a band should be grateful to the fans because without the fans (buying their music/merchandise, going to gigs etc.) they wouldn't exist or be popular. When a band is not grateful to its fans I'd call them arrogant pricks.
There is difference between being grateful and conforming to them.
You know those terms like "sellout" that are often being thrown around? Of course sellout is a bit different compared to "fanservice" but really what is the real difference between the two?
Nothing I'd say. When you "sellout", you compromise your artistic integrity in an attempt to get more fans. When you do "fanservice" you compromise your artistic integrity by not making music you are inspired to make but music your existing fans would value. Basically the same thing.
If Opeth and co. truly feel like making bland 70s prog rock music (mind you I did sortof like Heritage, but I don't like the direction) then by all means they should do it, I won't blame them. I just might not listen to them anymore if I don't like what they put out.
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