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Id expect from what you said and from your individual ratings of each section of the album that 8/10 is too little? And id expect the album to chalk up a bit more on the originality scale...8? This is the most diverse album he has done and a lot different and heavier than his previous two albums. Ihsahn himself is one of the most original artists in the metal scene today, so I question where you think his originality went on this album.
9/10 from me overall for sure and to date the best album of the year.
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BitterCOld The Ancient One AdminPosts: 15287 |
25.02.2010 - 23:36Rating: 8
8.0 is an overall rating and not entirely based upon solely those four components. it's a general feeling score. to me, it was a very good album, i'm glad i spent the $15 on it, but not one that i'd find leapfrogging the bulk of my cd collection in the royal rumble for play time on my stereo.
also those subscores can only take whole numbers, so if something is in between an 8 or 9, i generally rounded up.
i can separate whether or not a song is well crafted or shows good musicianship from whether or not i actually like the song itself.
for example, "After" might be well composed and well executed, sure, but that doesn't mean i don't want to skip it when it comes up.
as far as originality goes, there was nothing that was jawdroppingly unique. different approach than past albums? sure. better put together? undoubtedly. but nothing that surprised me or blew me away.
i find it a very good album. hooray. you might find it your album of the year thus far, that's great. i'd give the nod to High On Fire. hooray for different tastes.
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Baz Anderson StaffPosts: 13254 |
I really should listen to this, I am a huge Emperor fan after all.
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Itoc Trønder
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26.02.2010 - 01:09Rating: 9
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10/10 easy It's good to hear something new & mixed with the old: Ihsahn delivers a better packaged than last time!
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BudDa ElitePosts: 887 |
"there is also a saxophone present on many tracks. Zomg! A saxophone! How unique. How outside the box! How progressive of him!"Haha
Anyway, I loved the saxophone on this album. Its the sole reason why I keep coming back to After..
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Clintagräm Shrinebuilder
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From what I've heard, the instrumentals sound much better than before. Of course, I've only heard two songs, but I liked those more than other Ihsahn songs I've heard. I actually really enjoyed the clean vocals on "After." It reminded me of a Devin Townsend/Garm type song. Really good, unfortunately I'm not a fan of his harsh vocals, so most of material never really hits home for me.
Good, revealing review.
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RimV
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26.02.2010 - 08:45Rating: 9
Rating is as usual subjective but good review overall.
9 / 10 for me
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Konrad Mormon Storm
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26.02.2010 - 10:02Rating: 10
I respect the review and think BitterC0ld was fair in giving Ihsahn an 8. I gave the album a 10, because I think it helps the metal genre enter an entirely new area. The sax was also used in the drowned at sea 3 pt. epic from nachtmystium...so it isn't anything new...but as a jazz fan who has always thought the instruments, musicianship, and overall song structure were similar b/t jazz and metal...this album is the beginning of the two genres starting to merge. I respect Ihsahn for what he has done throughout his entire career. He not only produced what is arguably one of the best black metal albums of all time (welkin...) but has now arguably written, recorded, and mastered an album that carries metal into the new decade.
Coming from someone who lives in the city of jazz, what Ihsahn has accomplished here is far from pretentious. He was innovative with his concepts and has invited countless musicians to enter the world of metal. Thank you Ihsahn!
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finenecroshine
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26.02.2010 - 10:04Rating: 9
Well, I DO think this album deserves a 9/10. I mean - he DID try to make this the best it can be made. He almost overdid himself and I ... Well, I do respect those things. This is his most serious album, it is modern but it's not Nu metal, it' s not Emperor (and I also think it shoult not even be Emperor in any way) it's really very subtle floating between genres and this should please any metal-head inteligent enough to see the differrence between them. In my opinion - he succeeded. One of the very best metal albums in the last 3-4 years.
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Eddie Misery
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26.02.2010 - 14:52Rating: 10
I gave the album a 10, but I thought this was a great review. More importantly, a FAIR review. I was nervous that we'd get someone to review this album that fit right in with all those people who hated Emperor's "Prometheus" album, and thinks of all of Ihsahn's solo work as somehow "overindulgent", bla bla, etc. etc........I actually read that somewhere yesterday, somebody saying that.
How can a solo project be OVERindulgent?? It's a SOLO project, which people do for the chance to INDULGE themselves, to do something they might not otherwise have the time or the opportunity to do with other bands/artists.
Haha -- anyway -- awesome review. Great album. Anyone who's curious should just cave in and pick it up, it's WELL worth it. It has quickly become not only one of my most favorite recent albums, but also one of my favorite albums period.
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Baz Anderson StaffPosts: 13254 |
I hate brass instruments.
I think I was let down by how un-Emperor it was. Not that I expected it to be "Prometheus Mk II" or anything, but I wouldn't say any of this album reminded me of Emperor apart from his vocals (obviously).
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The album is a pure 10, no more, no less. Yes, it is an oppinion, and oppinions are like assholes, but this time, damn it, Ihsahn has nailed a perfect album!!!
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BitterCOld The Ancient One AdminPosts: 15287 |
26.02.2010 - 18:05Rating: 8
In regards to solo projects being over indulgent - that's easy. the musician could be one of those types that needs band members to try and rein them in when they go overboard. without the counter, they could easily overdo it and just make a sonic mess.
as for the Emperor comparison, it's not an overwhelming or overarching similarity, but an occasional one. it's clear in "An Inverted Grave" (sax aside) and sporadically elsewhere, like around the 5:38 mark of "Undercurrent"
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A masterpiece in its own right. Great closing to the trilogy.
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annodomini
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Written by Baz Anderson on 26.02.2010 at 15:00
I hate brass instruments.
I think I was let down by how un-Emperor it was. Not that I expected it to be "Prometheus Mk II" or anything, but I wouldn't say any of this album reminded me of Emperor apart from his vocals (obviously).
ANd why does it have to remeber Emperor. Insahn is not Emperor.
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Baz Anderson StaffPosts: 13254 |
Written by annodomini on 26.02.2010 at 19:44
ANd why does it have to remeber Emperor. Insahn is not Emperor.
Obviously...
Black metal I like... half extreme progressive metal with a saxophone, not so much...
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finenecroshine
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27.02.2010 - 12:47Rating: 9
Oh, man ... No. You'll miss the point, which is [at least in my opinion]: This should, hopefully, encourage other musicians to experiment more, include some interesting instrument[s] in their own music, become wider, broader-sounding metal and music in general. THAT is important, not the damn saxophone. Metal has never EVER been so sterile, so secure and almost miserable like it is nowadays. We need something different. I do. I really do need something new in metal, something sharper, more dangerous and edgy. "After" does bring something new and as far as I am joyful for that I am even more saddened by the fact that there are no new bands that can bring the new current. No, it's the Slayer that are moving the limits, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Ihsahn and so on. What happened, for God's sake!? Where is METAL? Not the production, not the cover art, not the make-up or the hair or anything else, where is the fuckin' METAL?
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Slyfang
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27.02.2010 - 14:14Rating: 10
Written by Baz Anderson on 26.02.2010 at 20:13
Written by annodomini on 26.02.2010 at 19:44
ANd why does it have to remeber Emperor. Insahn is not Emperor.
Obviously...
Black metal I like... half extreme progressive metal with a saxophone, not so much...
stop whining baz, he's not making music to please your narrow minded ilk. if you want black metal, go listen to black metal instead of expecting Ihsahn to grant your wishes
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Lord_Regnier
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Written by Slyfang on 27.02.2010 at 14:14
stop whining baz, he's not making music to please your narrow minded ilk. if you want black metal, go listen to black metal instead of expecting Ihsahn to grant your wishes
It's a shame to see how people throw this ridiculous 'open-mindedness' argument at your face each time someone states he doesn't like something.
The most stupid, shallow, void argument one can find.
Like I said on the Helloween album thread, I'm proud of being 'close-minded' for some reasons.
And one of those reasons is I can defend what I like without using the lamest argument of all that only puts the blame on the other person without solving anything.
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Baz Anderson StaffPosts: 13254 |
Written by Slyfang on 27.02.2010 at 14:14
stop whining baz, he's not making music to please your narrow minded ilk. if you want black metal, go listen to black metal instead of expecting Ihsahn to grant your wishes
I have not once claimed that he is making music for me.
I know how things work, I know he's doing his own thing - and I knew that it wouldn't be my ideal album before I even heard it. Come on, give me a little more respect than that.
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Slyfang
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27.02.2010 - 15:36Rating: 10
Written by Baz Anderson on 27.02.2010 at 15:30
Written by Slyfang on 27.02.2010 at 14:14
stop whining baz, he's not making music to please your narrow minded ilk. if you want black metal, go listen to black metal instead of expecting Ihsahn to grant your wishes
I have not once claimed that he is making music for me.
I know how things work, I know he's doing his own thing - and I knew that it wouldn't be my ideal album before I even heard it. Come on, give me a little more respect than that.
give some respect for the musician at least. your comment basically like you dislike the album because it doesn't sound enough like emperor.. it's ridiculous to expect black metal from Ihsahn when he hasn't been doing it for years
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Baz Anderson StaffPosts: 13254 |
Written by Slyfang on 27.02.2010 at 15:36
give some respect for the musician at least. your comment basically like you dislike the album because it doesn't sound enough like emperor.. it's ridiculous to expect black metal from Ihsahn when he hasn't been doing it for years
You're not understanding me. I didn't expect black metal from this. Like I said, I knew it wouldn't exactly be my cup of tea before I even heard it...
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Lord_Regnier
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Written by Slyfang on 27.02.2010 at 15:36
give some respect for the musician at least. your comment basically like you dislike the album because it doesn't sound enough like emperor.. it's ridiculous to expect black metal from Ihsahn when he hasn't been doing it for years
It would have been much better to explain things this way right from the start, instead of blaming Baz for his supposed narrow-mindedness, isn't it?
Now it's easy to understand your point of view. And it really makes sense.
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Slyfang
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27.02.2010 - 15:57Rating: 10
Written by Lord_Regnier on 27.02.2010 at 15:24
Written by Slyfang on 27.02.2010 at 14:14
stop whining baz, he's not making music to please your narrow minded ilk. if you want black metal, go listen to black metal instead of expecting Ihsahn to grant your wishes
It's a shame to see how people throw this ridiculous 'open-mindedness' argument at your face each time someone states he doesn't like something.
The most stupid, shallow, void argument one can find.
Like I said on the Helloween album thread, I'm proud of being 'close-minded' for some reasons.
And one of those reasons is I can defend what I like without using the lamest argument of all that only puts the blame on the other person without solving anything.
don't get all dramatic now. it's clearly not a stupid or shallow argument BECAUSE open minded people can actually see music for what it is instead of CONSTANTLY comparing everything to their unchanging expectations.
there's nothing to be proud of about narrow-mindedness, and by this i don't mean conservativism. don't confuse the two. i'm assuming that you're a conservative in this case, because narrow-mindedness is just ignorant
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Lord_Regnier
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Written by Slyfang on 27.02.2010 at 15:57
don't get all dramatic now. it's clearly not a stupid or shallow argument BECAUSE open minded people can actually see music for what it is instead of CONSTANTLY comparing everything to their unchanging expectations.
Most of the time, when I see people use the open-mindedness argument, it's from fanboys who can't find anything better to defend their beloved bands even when those bands are quite shitty, so they blame others for their close-mindedness.
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Slyfang
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27.02.2010 - 18:57Rating: 10
Written by Lord_Regnier on 27.02.2010 at 16:48
Written by Slyfang on 27.02.2010 at 15:57
don't get all dramatic now. it's clearly not a stupid or shallow argument BECAUSE open minded people can actually see music for what it is instead of CONSTANTLY comparing everything to their unchanging expectations.
Most of the time, when I see people use the open-mindedness argument, it's from fanboys who can't find anything better to defend their beloved bands even when those bands are quite shitty, so they blame others for their close-mindedness.
i hope you're not insinuating that i'm a fanboy, and Ihsahn is shit.. i was defending him against meaningless criticism
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Lord_Regnier
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Written by Slyfang on 27.02.2010 at 18:57
i hope you're not insinuating that i'm a fanboy, and Ihsahn is shit.. i was defending him against meaningless criticism
No, no, no. I wasn't talking of you. It was a general comment.
I don't know if you're a fanboy or not, so I won't make accusations.
As for meaningless criticism, however, I would say that it can appear meaningless to you but it has a meaning for the person who posts the criticism.
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Slyfang
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27.02.2010 - 19:39Rating: 10
Written by Lord_Regnier on 27.02.2010 at 19:34
Written by Slyfang on 27.02.2010 at 18:57
i hope you're not insinuating that i'm a fanboy, and Ihsahn is shit.. i was defending him against meaningless criticism
No, no, no. I wasn't talking of you. It was a general comment.
I don't know if you're a fanboy or not, so I won't make accusations.
As for meaningless criticism, however, I would say that it can appear meaningless to you but it has a meaning for the person who posts the criticism.
criticism is only valid when it's objective. when it's subjective, it becomes meaningless. but i can admit that what he said might have not been meant as criticism, but as a comment
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BitterCOld The Ancient One AdminPosts: 15287 |
27.02.2010 - 19:49Rating: 8
Written by Slyfang on 27.02.2010 at 19:39
criticism is only valid when it's objective. when it's subjective, it becomes meaningless. but i can admit that what he said might have not been meant as criticism, but as a comment
in regards to music, isn't it all subjective, based upon the listener?
and golly, he admitted it wasn't HIS cup of tea... but please continues useless keyboard pounding.
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Slyfang
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27.02.2010 - 21:05Rating: 10
Written by BitterCOld on 27.02.2010 at 19:49
Written by Slyfang on 27.02.2010 at 19:39
criticism is only valid when it's objective. when it's subjective, it becomes meaningless. but i can admit that what he said might have not been meant as criticism, but as a comment
in regards to music, isn't it all subjective, based upon the listener?
and golly, he admitted it wasn't HIS cup of tea... but please continues useless keyboard pounding.
i STOPPED already, so shut up. and no it isn't all subjective
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