@ K7: "technical" isn't only for thrash and death metal, it applies for every musician that has a complex technique. Yngwie and Michael Romeo (Symphony X) are very technical indeed.

Written by The Alchemist on 05.03.2007 at 19:24

Dargaard is indeed an excellent band, it'd be my first recommendation for someone who wants to know about the genre.

Dargaard isn't exactly "guitar shreding" music. It sure would be a missed recommendation.

Written by Lupas on 05.03.2007 at 16:55

@SirenOfTheStyx

I can give some example besides Dargaard . About the def. i can leave this to others

Try Dark Sanctuary , similiar to Dargaard . This is their website
[url] http://www.dark-sanctuary.com/index.php[/url]

Man I know them but i was forgot about tham, thank's man for remaind me about tham werry good band

@BitchBoy - But even if thay techical it dont means its thrash metal

@ K7: when Lowelas was talking about "technical power metal" I think he referred to such power bands (especially prog-power) with technical guitarrists.

Written by Bitch Boy on 05.03.2007 at 20:19

@ K7: when Lowelas was talking about "technical power metal" I think he referred to such power bands (especially prog-power) with technical guitarrists.

I see but techical guitrarists does for example Kirk Hammet is not techical?

@ K7: I think he has some technique, especially in "...And justice for all", but we can't classify Metallica as a technical thrash band.

Written by Bitch Boy on 06.03.2007 at 01:48

@ K7: I think he has some technique, especially in "...And justice for all", but we can't classify Metallica as a technical thrash band.

Man I mean almoust in all genre has musiciacs who can play so technical/good quality, who knows instrument, msuic, feel it I talking about such techinque

@ K7: I got your point, and I suppose that was what Lowelas was trying to say when he talked about technical power, and as you've said, there are technical musicians in almost every genre.

Written by Bitch Boy on 06.03.2007 at 02:09

@ K7: I got your point, and I suppose that was what Lowelas was trying to say when he talked about technical power, and as you've said, there are technical musicians in almost every genre.

LOWELAS say techical/power like techical thrash(Coroner, Artilery) or Techical Death(Golgotus, Quo Vadis) IMO ha say it about Power Metal

Symphony X, Angra, Narnia, Ygwie Malmsteen, Lori Linstruth of Stream Of Passion, Tim Roth of Into Eternity. maybe Spock's Beard, maybe Pagan's Mind.
Basically the idea is usually a guitar virtoso doing sweep-picking arpeggios, at least thats how I would define it. Most commonly it is found in the form of power metal of some variation. Progressive influences are often found as well. In istances such Symphony X and Angra especially, keyboard is used. Ooo and I almost forgot about DragonForce. I actually havent heard of them described as neoclassically influenced yet, though they most certainly are. It's just combined with a more speed oriented form of power metal.

Written by Bad English on 05.03.2007 at 20:47

I see but techical guitrarists does for example Kirk Hammet is not techical?

No he's not. Playing the riffs fast doesn't make someone technical.
I myself don't know much about guitars, but one of my friends said that metallica rhythms(and even solos!) are much easier to play and ther is no complex technique and Death metal guitars are, at average, much much technical than metallica..

IMO neoclassical metal is heavily classically derived metal music.
It's pioneered by Yngwie Malmsteen who plays neoclassical/shred metal. Other neoclassical guitarists would be: Rick Renstrom, Duschan Petrossi (Iron Mask and Magic Kingdom), Michael Romeo (alhough SX is prog/US power metal mainly, he has definite neoclassical tendencies)
Neoclassical keyboard-metlal would be Vitalij Kuprij.
Also a neocl. metal album is Wolf Hoffmann's Classical for me.

Neoclassical Metal is any type of metal which could be considered to have Dominant classical influences. A band renound for this in their early albums is children of Bodom.

Written by Arian Totalis on 18.03.2007 at 16:27

Neoclassical Metal is any type of metal which could be considered to have Dominant classical influences. A band renound for this in their early albums is children of Bodom.

Yes but they are totally influenced by Yngwie Malmsteen's playing..

Written by [user id=1017] on 18.03.2007 at 18:45

Written by Arian Totalis on 18.03.2007 at 16:27

Neoclassical Metal is any type of metal which could be considered to have Dominant classical influences. A band renound for this in their early albums is children of Bodom.

Yes but they are totally influenced by Yngwie Malmsteen's playing..

Well if you mean to say Bodom Are completly influenced By Malmsteen, I would disagree, they have the same Influences he does: Vivaldi, Beethoven, Bach, and Mozart. Now they might be somewhat influenced by him, but he is by no means their driving force.

Written by Arian Totalis on 18.03.2007 at 22:08

Well if you mean to say Bodom Are completly influenced By Malmsteen, I would disagree, they have the same Influences he does: Vivaldi, Beethoven, Bach, and Mozart. Now they might be somewhat influenced by him, but he is by no means their driving force.

Well, if you think Children Of Bodom are a neo-classical band... I can only disagree. Necrophagist sound even more neo-classical then COB.

Written by wrathchild on 18.03.2007 at 22:44

Written by Arian Totalis on 18.03.2007 at 22:08

Well if you mean to say Bodom Are completly influenced By Malmsteen, I would disagree, they have the same Influences he does: Vivaldi, Beethoven, Bach, and Mozart. Now they might be somewhat influenced by him, but he is by no means their driving force.

Well, if you think Children Of Bodom are a neo-classical band... I can only disagree. Necrophagist sound even more neo-classical then COB.

I think their early Albums could be considerd Neo-Classical Metal, yes.

Written by Arian Totalis on 18.03.2007 at 22:49

I think they're early Albums could be considere Neo-Classical Metal, yes.

You'd have to tell me which passages from which songs cause I those are the albums I know the most and I can't remember anything neo-classical in them. Sure, technically, Lahio uses the same techniques as neo-classical players, but he doesn't play neo-classical metal music.

Written by Arian Totalis on 18.03.2007 at 22:49

Written by wrathchild on 18.03.2007 at 22:44

Written by Arian Totalis on 18.03.2007 at 22:08

Well if you mean to say Bodom Are completly influenced By Malmsteen, I would disagree, they have the same Influences he does: Vivaldi, Beethoven, Bach, and Mozart. Now they might be somewhat influenced by him, but he is by no means their driving force.

Well, if you think Children Of Bodom are a neo-classical band... I can only disagree. Necrophagist sound even more neo-classical then COB.

I think their early Albums could be considerd Neo-Classical Metal, yes.

What man no man ist not neoclassical, if we talk about first 3 CoB albums, and I use to listen them but neoclassical man I doubt

From Finish power metal starts maybe Timo Kotipelto solo album sound smore neoclassial how CoB

... How can it be neoclassical... Its still going to be classical music, you cant make it new?

Written by [user id=22086] on 19.03.2007 at 00:17

... How can it be neoclassical... Its still going to be classical music, you cant make it new?

OK explanation Neo Nazisms, its same almouts like nazism was,, same idiolofy, same atributes but it calls Neo, because it was death

Same about neo-folk and neo whatewer

Written by Bad English on 19.03.2007 at 00:27

Written by [user id=22086] on 19.03.2007 at 00:17

... How can it be neoclassical... Its still going to be classical music, you cant make it new?

OK explanation Neo Nazisms, its same almouts like nazism was,, same idiolofy, same atributes but it calls Neo, because it was death

Same about neo-folk and neo whatewer

I know. But neoclassical just seems demeaning to the original classical musicians. lol

Written by [user id=22086] on 19.03.2007 at 00:40

Written by Bad English on 19.03.2007 at 00:27

Written by [user id=22086] on 19.03.2007 at 00:17

... How can it be neoclassical... Its still going to be classical music, you cant make it new?

OK explanation Neo Nazisms, its same almouts like nazism was,, same idiolofy, same atributes but it calls Neo, because it was death

Same about neo-folk and neo whatewer

I know. But neoclassical just seems demeaning to the original classical musicians. lol

Why you think so Neoclassical music are bassed on classical music, read early post then you undersrand

Written by Bad English on 19.03.2007 at 00:43

Written by [user id=22086] on 19.03.2007 at 00:40

Written by Bad English on 19.03.2007 at 00:27

Written by [user id=22086] on 19.03.2007 at 00:17

... How can it be neoclassical... Its still going to be classical music, you cant make it new?

OK explanation Neo Nazisms, its same almouts like nazism was,, same idiolofy, same atributes but it calls Neo, because it was death

Same about neo-folk and neo whatewer

I know. But neoclassical just seems demeaning to the original classical musicians. lol

Why you think so Neoclassical music are bassed on classical music, read early post then you undersrand

Because your giving it a new name and its really not new. Its just someone else with a different style playing the same exact stuff as the classical musicians.

@HauntingNazareth - but ist diferent how clasical music listen it and feal try for example bethoven or Autumn Tears an dyou will see diference

Written by Bad English on 19.03.2007 at 00:56

@HauntingNazareth - but ist diferent how clasical music listen it and feal try for example bethoven or Autumn Tears an dyou will see diference

I know what you mean. But its still the same thing.

Written by wrathchild on 18.03.2007 at 23:00

Written by Arian Totalis on 18.03.2007 at 22:49

I think they're early Albums could be considere Neo-Classical Metal, yes.

You'd have to tell me which passages from which songs cause I those are the albums I know the most and I can't remember anything neo-classical in them. Sure, technically, Lahio uses the same techniques as neo-classical players, but he doesn't play neo-classical metal music.

So is there a difference in using Dominant Neoclassical techniques and actually being Neoclassical? I'm confused

Written by Arian Totalis on 19.03.2007 at 02:28

So is there a difference in using Dominant Neoclassical techniques and actually being Neoclassical? I'm confused

By techniques, I don't mean "melodies". There's nothing that sounds like it was made to be played on a violin in COB's music. But in Malmsteen music, yes. However, both Lahio and Malmsteen use the same guitar techniques (sweeping, tapping, etc.). Malmsteen does play neo-classical stuff but Lahio doesn't (at least in COB).

Written by Bad English on 19.03.2007 at 00:27

OK explanation Neo Nazisms, its same almouts like nazism was,, same idiolofy, same atributes but it calls Neo, because it was death

Same about neo-folk and neo whatewer

Wait, are you saying classical music is no longer composed?

I am not sure but i think he is trying to say a new form of classical music.