Written by [user id=15104] on 13.01.2007 at 14:01

@Scarrowed Muse: sounds disgusting. legalized prostitution would be much more "clean" so to speak. and much more organized. pedophilia would still be illegal, cos thats just horrible when kids are subjected to unwanted sex, or even if they wanted, but didnt really understand the consequences...

Correct, but some of the pedophilia laws that we have in the USA are incredibly stupid. A 19 year old having concentual sex with an 18 year old is considered pedophilia in some states. I'm willing to bet that many of us have committed that felony.

hehe, i guess there are stupid laws in both usa and sweden, and every other country in the world for that matter if i could, i would change it, but at this stage i cant hehe... i guess we're gonna have to wait til i take over the world before we can make it perfect hehehe

I don't think it is pedohilism, but I thought of people which are 24 fuck children and girls which are 12 it is sick and I think only death is suitable punishment for those people

Written by [user id=15104] on 14.01.2007 at 02:03

hehe, i guess there are stupid laws in both usa and sweden, and every other country in the world for that matter if i could, i would change it, but at this stage i cant hehe... i guess we're gonna have to wait til i take over the world before we can make it perfect hehehe

Well, you'd get my vote...

Or underground support, if that will be the course of action.

Written by APOHAKC on 14.01.2007 at 12:35

I don't think it is pedohilism, but I thought of people which are 24 fuck children and girls which are 12 it is sick and I think only death is suitable punishment for those people

Hmm... aren't you exagerating a bit ?

Why?

Because, whatever the causes, legalizing killing is a door not to open... If you give to some human beings the right to take the life from others, how do you expect the value of human life to be respected, how can you then prevent people from being violent ? Death penalty isn't justice, it's revenge...

About relationships, I see lot of things I don't understand, young girls being with old men, and so on. But I guess I'm not able to judge other people's feelings.

@Aronax: i know this might sound nerdy, but hey, most people here on MS are more or less nerdy (no offense, everybody) but i got this from gandalf in lord of the rings. its when frodo says something like "its a pity bilbo didnt kill gollum" and gandalf says something like "many people who live deserve to die, but the more people who are dead deserve to be alive. can you grant them that?" and basically thats the reason im against death penalty... gandalf sure is wise...

Written by [user id=1046] on 01.03.2007 at 21:32

Because, whatever the causes, legalizing killing is a door not to open... If you give to some human beings the right to take the life from others, how do you expect the value of human life to be respected, how can you then prevent people from being violent ? Death penalty isn't justice, it's revenge...

About relationships, I see lot of things I don't understand, young girls being with old men, and so on. But I guess I'm not able to judge other people's feelings.

Written by [user id=15104] on 01.03.2007 at 22:12

@Aronax: i know this might sound nerdy, but hey, most people here on MS are more or less nerdy (no offense, everybody) but i got this from gandalf in lord of the rings. its when frodo says something like "its a pity bilbo didnt kill gollum" and gandalf says something like "many people who live deserve to die, but the more people who are dead deserve to be alive. can you grant them that?" and basically thats the reason im against death penalty... gandalf sure is wise...

Well, I also think Aronax has exagerated BUT I'm in favour on death penalty. Not for this particular subject, cuz a person who abuses childs should be locked up for ever to regret what have done, not die. Now, a person that kills another (not in self-defense, accident or any of those stuff) ON PURPOSE.. a murderer really, I guess he/she deserve to die. And I'm not talking about revenge here, I'm talking about the sorrow that stays in, for example, the family of the victim.. and yes, I call it justice. It is fair that in case of MEANING MURDER, a murderer should be killed for that/those that he/she have killed.

And btw, I know many nerds cuz I'm in a computers degree, and I am not like them for sure ! I come to MS to know more metal bands and socialize with persons that have the same tastes has mine, cuz music is really important to me.. and I guess I can't be called a nerd cuz of it.

This was only a answer to what a read here :p

Mostly directly in topic, here in Portugal it is one thing that its common to see in certain places -prostitution-. Not selling themselfs in stores like in The Netherlands for example, but in the street. I guess it is not that bad, selling sex should be taken as selling anything else. Of course, persons with less than 16 years old shouldnt be doing that, and of course I dont support that. But adult people should have the right to sell themselfs for money if they are capable of it.

As for pornography I really dont see what harm can it make. I confess.. I started watching pornography relativelly young like 12/13 years old. I can say I learn many things from it, and if it wasnt for that I really dont know how could I ever start my sexual live (probably a lot years after).
Nonetheless there's many things, especially on the internet, that kids shouldnt see cuz its kindof "+18years" if you know what I mean. But if the porn is simple, showing for example how to put a condom (that is rare to apear on porn movies). Well, I guess i was "lucky" to be introduced to sex soon.. but many kids arent, and then the girls appear pregnant with 15years old

My conclusion: sex shouldnt be such a taboo (at least here on Portugal it still is).

Written by Ernis on 04.03.2007 at 21:55

Well....for example I know several cases where 14 year old girls have found themselves boyfriends who are 20year old and older......and of course these 14year old girls have been really wise and felt they were already women....isn't it so nice that girls start their sex life so early.....

Man, but in that case its their choice. We were talking about adults forcing themselfs to kids.
Nonetheless I agree with you.. but what can we do? Its their life.. besides the guys normally only want them to have sex and then dump them.

@TheReaper: my god, are you kidding me? gay people are "animals" to you?

Written by Ramung on 05.03.2007 at 17:13

Written by [user id=15104] on 05.03.2007 at 16:14

@TheReaper: my god, are you kidding me? gay people are "animals" to you?

i was refering to pedophils, but i wouldn't call gays people either (maybe sick people)

Yeah, I think pedofiles are animals too, infact if it were up to me i would lock them all up for life or something along that line.

@TheReaper: ah, then i got you wrong, sorry... yeah, pedophiles are disgusting, but actually... i dont think one can choose what to get turned on to... there's simply somthing wrong in their heads, i dont think they want to be mean to the children or something... hm.. i dont know hehe, its all weird

I'm indifferent to prostitution. If they legalize prostitution or not, it wouldn't affect me, since I never wanted or needed a hooker to get off...

Its weird, Japan has alot of porn, but the least amount of rape...So really, more porn would help, not hurt...I say legalize it...

Written by Ramung on 05.03.2007 at 17:13

Written by [user id=15104] on 05.03.2007 at 16:14

@TheReaper: my god, are you kidding me? gay people are "animals" to you?

i was refering to pedophils, but i wouldn't call gays people either (maybe sick people)

I really cant tell if your joking or not.

Written by [user id=18410] on 07.03.2007 at 00:37

I'm indifferent to prostitution. If they legalize prostitution or not, it wouldn't affect me, since I never wanted or needed a hooker to get off...

Its weird, Japan has alot of porn, but the least amount of rape...So really, more porn would help, not hurt...I say legalize it...

Yeah, that country has so many porn stuff produced. I really wonder how or what source you found it. In my own opinion I want pornography/prostitution legalized because randomly I think if women committed do it, we should permit them as a job. I didnt think that could decline the rate of rape. In my country, I can say by my consciousness that rape is induced by the repression from the tradtion and the pornography, more concretely youth watch porn then they want to be rapist... So maybe pornography has 2 opposite of effect.

Pornography should not be a problem at all because it is totally legal and if you cant handle it and you think its bad, then i guess you don't like reality, because people actually do that. But prostitution should be illegal and remain like that, this is because a lot of prostitutes are considered not humans beings, just something to fuck, just an easy way to get sex, and many people kill, beat, humiliate the prostitutes, because they are at the customers every command, and might do harmful and illegal things.

Written by Ramung on 07.03.2007 at 14:15

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Written by Ramung on 05.03.2007 at 17:13

Written by [user id=15104] on 05.03.2007 at 16:14

@TheReaper: my god, are you kidding me? gay people are "animals" to you?

i was refering to pedophils, but i wouldn't call gays people either (maybe sick people)

I really cant tell if your joking or not.

why would i be joking? do you find this subject amuzing?

Not really, I just find your old fashioned mind-set amusing.

Written by TOUGHEST MEMBER on 07.03.2007 at 17:11

Written by [user id=18410] on 07.03.2007 at 00:37

I'm indifferent to prostitution. If they legalize prostitution or not, it wouldn't affect me, since I never wanted or needed a hooker to get off...

Its weird, Japan has alot of porn, but the least amount of rape...So really, more porn would help, not hurt...I say legalize it...

Yeah, that country has so many porn stuff produced. I really wonder how or what source you found it. In my own opinion I want pornography/prostitution legalized because randomly I think if women committed do it, we should permit them as a job. I didnt think that could decline the rate of rape. In my country, I can say by my consciousness that rape is induced by the repression from the tradtion and the pornography, more concretely youth watch porn then they want to be rapist... So maybe pornography has 2 opposite of effect.

I think when porn is completely legal, rape will go down...Prostitution, I still don't care about...

My only issue would be child porn, that pisses me off, because while normal guys may tend to get off on porn and not go out to get rape...Pedos can look at child porn, and wanna rape a child...I say execute pedophiles

Written by Doc G. on 08.03.2007 at 02:32

Written by Ramung on 07.03.2007 at 14:15

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Written by Ramung on 05.03.2007 at 17:13

Written by [user id=15104] on 05.03.2007 at 16:14

@TheReaper: my god, are you kidding me? gay people are "animals" to you?

i was refering to pedophils, but i wouldn't call gays people either (maybe sick people)

I really cant tell if your joking or not.

why would i be joking? do you find this subject amuzing?

Not really, I just find your old fashioned mind-set amusing.

Actually, it's not only old fashioned... I'm really shocked by your assiociating pedophils with gay people. How can you compare two sane adults freely choosing to be together and to love each other with a sick adult abusing a child We, human beings, don't have sex for reproduction anymore. Therefore, there are condoms, pills, and love. I can't see why a man having sex with a man would be more unatural than a man having sex with a woman with condom. We're not animals, we control our sexuality.

Written by Ramung on 10.03.2007 at 14:21

Written by [user id=1046] on 09.03.2007 at 23:38

We, human beings, don't have sex for reproduction anymore.

do you find this normal too?

Yes I do. And if you're telling me you have sex only to have a child, honestly, I won't believe you.
I find two men having sex just as normal as a man and a woman having sex with a condom. Love, pleasure and freedom are seeked by mankind. Reproduction is for animals.

Really ? So are you. I didn't think that there were people in the XXIth century in Europe who could have bought their brains in the Middle Age. You're free to jail your wife at home and have 10 kids if you like.

Written by Ramung on 11.03.2007 at 01:56

Written by [user id=1046] on 11.03.2007 at 00:34

Really ? So are you. I didn't think that there were people in the XXIth century in Europe who could have bought their brains in the Middle Age. You're free to jail your wife at home and have 10 kids if you like.

so you think this way of looking at things is progress, i think it is regress

Really ? Do you think that being jailed in conformity and narrow-minded mentalities, being rejected if you're not like the others, and feeling ashamed and frustrated your whole life long if you chose to hide it was a good deal ? Don't you think the freedom we can enjoy in our modern societies, freedom to think what we like, to love whom we like, to live the way we want, to choose our future, is fantastic ?

Written by [user id=1046] on 01.03.2007 at 21:32

Because, whatever the causes, legalizing killing is a door not to open... If you give to some human beings the right to take the life from others, how do you expect the value of human life to be respected, how can you then prevent people from being violent ? Death penalty isn't justice, it's revenge...

About relationships, I see lot of things I don't understand, young girls being with old men, and so on. But I guess I'm not able to judge other people's feelings.

But think about it, 12 years old is a very impressionable young age and thats something that could end up haunting that girl for her entire life, so if one is to fuck with someones entire life like that out of consideration for your own enjoyment I think ill agree with Aronax, you deserve to die, or prison for life with no parole at least, it would be doing a favour to society as a whole. So as long as that person isnt respecting another huuman life why should others respect his right to live amongst us?

In a way i Think every where should Have the death penalty. I dont want people to die but hell, that aint gonna stop it. Some people might think twice about raping someone or killing
some pensioner for her purse if they think they are gonna get sent to the chair or get the lethal injection.

if they dont care then they obviously deserve to go. Why should everyones taxes be spent on giving some child rapist a roof over his head and three meals a day?
Unfortunatly the law dosnt always get the right man.

Written by [user id=15104] on 14.01.2007 at 02:03

hehe, i guess there are stupid laws in both usa and sweden, and every other country in the world for that matter if i could, i would change it, but at this stage i cant hehe... i guess we're gonna have to wait til i take over the world before we can make it perfect hehehe

Well about Swedish laws I better wont coment them
ist wierd prostitution there are forbidden, but porno not

I am just going to jump in the middle of this and post a thought to the initial post.

I think that perhap's the social view of prostitution and pornography (which are really one in the same,) is about morality, ethic's and character. People that decide to do these thing's may be percieved as being degenerate's, having poor judgement, lack of self-respect, no moral's and so on, and people that lack those thing's in general may be willing or able to do other thing's that are percieved as negative, and if that sort of behaviour and ethic because acceptable as a whole by society then it's inevitable that society will crumble.

I could add more to this but I have to go, but I am a fairly high ethic and moral person, it's not to say I don't drink, smoke, have done a handful of drug's and lust & desire are amongst my favourite thing's but they're kept to being exclusive in practice, and (hopefully) done wisely.

Well, i have read the whole thread and for now because i am short of time i will tell you that most of the people who rape children are not pedophiles. They only have an impulse to do that.
About the child loving association is that "love" o course it can be misused. however as lon as repect is shown i think its okay. as long as there are no rapes i think its ok.
And also if the person may yo u call it children is concious is not wrong , i mean, someone who is not even 10 would not have the minor idea about all that concerns sex however as there is more information nowadays, the things may change. Also if there is love and maturoty there should be no problems. and of course you can not say that automatically the people taht are minors are immature and those above legal age are mature thats just plain stupid
Finally some people argue that if lts say "teenagers" could have more free sex as in porn there would be less rapes and violence.
PD: Remember that during history people married younger and had sex younger than today and still the society has developed

Hello. Let me tell you something about homosexuality. Some animals are homosexuel. Lions, for exemple... so the whole thing about homosexuality being against the nature, fuck off.

and I am for pornography and prostitution. Yes it is easy for children to go on porn sites and be corrupted by it, but that's the parents' job to watch them and educate them. They should prevent this kind of situation.

For exemple, never let your children go on internet except if you are here to supervise. That's what I would do cause man I can find some fucking sick shit on the net without even trying.

cheers

@Nitevision - Are you serious? I mean what parents have time to sit by their children whole day and watch what they are doing, I don't give a fuck if my younger brother watch pornography, my parents never cared if I watch it while I was younger, and I never were obsessed with it, if some kid wants to find porn, believe me, he will, it is so easy today, not only on internet.
About homosexual, I don't give a fuck is it natural or not, I don't care if someone is gay, as long as he don't try to fuck me I am ok with that. I prefer girls not because it is natural...
I am not against pornography while it is profesional and with adult persons, children porns are awful and those people who make it are sick, by the Gods, imagine 12 years old girl in a porn, it is un natural. Pornography is bad because many people are forcing poor girls, without money to do it and that is horrible. I support porns with adult persons, which are paid for that and they do it only by them self, those girls are not whores and staff...
Prostitution is similar, many girls are involved in white slavery, I know in my country, 10-15 years ago it was good business, mafia was buying cheap girls from eastern Europe and force them to fuck for few euros, they weren't safe and every lunatic and psycho could do whatever he wants with them, it is same in Hungary and countryes of the region. I am ok with professinal bordels where girls are protected and they treat them with respect...
These are definetely very sensitive questions and many people will (probably) disagree with me, but that is my opinion, and I won't change it...