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Posted by Unknown user, 11.11.2006 - 14:17
what do you all think about these two taboo subjects? in sweden, prostitution is illegal. i think this is wrong. i want a more liberal society. supply and demand should be put to use. people who are against prostitution always gives the argument "the girls are being used by the men". well, thats the same thing as the guy working at mc donalds is being used, coz its a shitty job with low wage. but what if the girl chooses to be a prostitute. then why is it wrong?
the same with pornography. people say "men learn to see women as objects". well, i admit that i've watched porn, but that doesnt make me look at women as objects. its still supply and demand. people are willing to expose themselves on the camera, and people are willing to pay to see the movies.

as long as no one gets hurt, it should be legal

am i right? what do you think?
09.10.2008 - 08:58
LeChron James
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prostitution is SKETCH to begin with and if it were ever legalized here in the States, STD's would SKYROCKET. anywhere else, i dont know but if it were ever legalized here, it would be bad news.
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09.10.2008 - 10:07
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Tage Westerlund
Written by nana.MD on 09.10.2008 at 05:36

hmm...i think both pornography and prostitution in a way mean loneliness...maybe the ones who get into those films and go outside to sell their bodies need some affection, want to be seen and heard and that's the way they do it...buying pornography hmm well maybe it's not the same because i guess most ppl but it because, its fun?? i dont know haha i've never bought any...being a prositute's costumer, imo yeah that's lonely...

Hmmm I dont know why guys are i porn movies but girls
Moust of so called italian porn stars is born in Čehoslovakia or Czceh Republic or Hungary in werry klate comunistic days so , when thay start life there was like in shithole thay done it for money and want live in west,thats moustly , but USA money and thayd ont know where show extra big brests waht tahy made and piercing in other part
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11.10.2008 - 05:49
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Written by [user id=30512] on 08.10.2008 at 22:37

Written by [user id=35302] on 07.10.2008 at 14:04

Let all be to their own...
Something to that effect

I have been addicted to pornography in the past. I now what it's like and it is no fun. People have the choice to be a fool and go to hookers and to watch pornography and to suck themselves or whatever they will do, but it is a stupid choice and therefor it is wrong.

Would be good to see you define 'stupidity' seeing as its a matter of perspective. If someone wants to watch pornography or hook up with hooker let them be, who are you to say that they are stupid for doing so?
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14.10.2008 - 18:46
MathC
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Prostitution : kinda bad
Porno : not bad


Simple, right ?
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14.10.2008 - 18:56
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Tage Westerlund
Written by [user id=34268] on 14.10.2008 at 18:46

Prostitution : kinda bad
Porno : not bad


Simple, right ?

You shood explain why you think so
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14.10.2008 - 20:11
MathC
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Prostitution as it is right now has a lot of bad sides like STDs as well as women that are abused or forced against their will to work etc etc. Also, I never saw the attraction of paying for something you can have for free.

Porno, well, it's porno. I don't see how someone can logically claim that pornography in itself is bad. The whole bla bla about women's self esteem and all is retarded and the guys-seeing-women-as-objects is retarded as well. Anyone with half a brain can understand that it is entertainment and nothing else and does not reflect real life.
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14.10.2008 - 20:33
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Tage Westerlund
Written by [user id=34268] on 14.10.2008 at 20:11

Prostitution as it is right now has a lot of bad sides like STDs as well as women that are abused or forced against their will to work etc etc. Also, I never saw the attraction of paying for something you can have for free.

Porno, well, it's porno. I don't see how someone can logically claim that pornography in itself is bad. The whole bla bla about women's self esteem and all is retarded and the guys-seeing-women-as-objects is retarded as well. Anyone with half a brain can understand that it is entertainment and nothing else and does not reflect real life.

Good point now I see what you mena, and also not in all prostitition cases prostitus do if because want, its like slavery, woman from eats Europa post com lands go to Italy searching better life and then, she is slut slave there .... girls from those lands shood think whats important be free or poor or rihch and slave?
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14.10.2008 - 20:36
MathC
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Porno >>>> Prostitution

I'd rather have people wank in their rooms than fat doctors going in thailand to rape pre-teen little boys. Speaking of which that is a problem that even the legalisation of prostitution won't solve.
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14.10.2008 - 20:40
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Tage Westerlund
I mean woman who goes work like shop assisten or some waitress in Italy in end ends up like whore
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15.10.2008 - 07:34
DevilBabi
hhhmmmmm.
Well im gonna go out on a limb here and say, i dont necessarily believe in Human Trade.
Which is the buying and selling of humans ( prostitues ) . I know its supply and demand, which does make sense. I mean, if a guy can go to a whore instead of kidnapping a girl off the street and raping her, then it is a good idea. However, by allowing prostitution, how do you police this? I mean, women arnt the only ones doing this. In some countries, child prostitution is occuring as we speak. Who's there to police that? Thes children get abused, sexually and mentally, and dont have the right to walk away from any of it. Then, when you dig deeper, you start to uncover things like disease, for example, in africa. Aids is RAMPANT. And most of it, is contracted and spread in the prostitution trade. tis kiling off their people and they can t help it. Sex trade for them over there, is a way of life. That's all they know, which is wrong in itself.
So, in Australia, It's illegal. As long as we cant overtly see it, then you can prettymuch get away with it though.
And our sex trade is different here to those around the world, probably better i'd say, much cleaner etc etc. More discreet.
I just think its wrong to sell yoruself for cah. And i understnad that some people have no choice, that's all they can do. But it's not for me. and inthat aspect, im against it.
Same for porno, i mean. I've watched it. I have a very SMALL collection, consisting of 6 or 7 and thats it. I did borrow a mates one once and had to watch a girl giving a blow job to a guy that was obviously too big for her HER MOUTH SPILT OPEN
Then, she started crying, and when they zoomed out, you realise she probably isnt a day over 16, sad.
She looked sad, alone and scared and the guys were having an awesome time, spliting her and generally degrading her.
Yuck and yuck once again
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15.10.2008 - 15:35
MathC
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Written by DevilBabi on 15.10.2008 at 07:34

Same for porno, i mean. I've watched it. I have a very SMALL collection, consisting of 6 or 7 and thats it. I did borrow a mates one once and had to watch a girl giving a blow job to a guy that was obviously too big for her HER MOUTH SPILT OPEN
Then, she started crying, and when they zoomed out, you realise she probably isnt a day over 16, sad.
She looked sad, alone and scared and the guys were having an awesome time, spliting her and generally degrading her.
Yuck and yuck once again

If it was a movie by a more-or-less known company, you can be sure she was faking the crying and everything and that she was 18. If it was some kind of underground homemade stuff and she was really 16, why the hell is your mate in possession of this ?
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17.10.2008 - 17:05
Aei Ontos
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Written by [user id=35302] on 11.10.2008 at 05:49

Written by [user id=30512] on 08.10.2008 at 22:37

Written by [user id=35302] on 07.10.2008 at 14:04

Let all be to their own...
Something to that effect

I have been addicted to pornography in the past. I now what it's like and it is no fun. People have the choice to be a fool and go to hookers and to watch pornography and to suck themselves or whatever they will do, but it is a stupid choice and therefor it is wrong.

Would be good to see you define 'stupidity' seeing as its a matter of perspective. If someone wants to watch pornography or hook up with hooker let them be, who are you to say that they are stupid for doing so?

Who I am? I am an experienced person. Everybody is free to do whatever they want, so am I free to call anyone stupid who watches pornography and goes to hookers, right?
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17.10.2008 - 17:11
Aei Ontos
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Written by AiwiAstwihad on 08.10.2008 at 23:04

Written by [user id=30512] on 08.10.2008 at 22:37

...People have the choice to be a fool and go to hookers and to watch pornography and to suck themselves or whatever they will do, but it is a stupid choice and therefor it is wrong.

i agree with you word for word to the word "therefore" but can't agree more about the rest: " therefor it is wrong."
i mean, yes it's stupid and also degrading IMO too but it dosen't make it wrong FOR OTHERS.

I have always learned that smart things are good and stupid things are wrong. It is for others also stupid so it is for others also wrong.
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18.10.2008 - 16:12
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Written by [user id=30512] on 17.10.2008 at 17:11

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 08.10.2008 at 23:04

Written by [user id=30512] on 08.10.2008 at 22:37

...People have the choice to be a fool and go to hookers and to watch pornography and to suck themselves or whatever they will do, but it is a stupid choice and therefor it is wrong.

i agree with you word for word to the word "therefore" but can't agree more about the rest: " therefor it is wrong."
i mean, yes it's stupid and also degrading IMO too but it dosen't make it wrong FOR OTHERS.

I have always learned that smart things are good and stupid things are wrong. It is for others also stupid so it is for others also wrong.

Come on, there's no such a fixed universal norm for stupidity.
illegalizing dosent make it vanish just makes women MORE prone to abuse than when it's legal cos it'll easily go underground.
it's entirely illegal here, by convention, by law, by relligion, by everything but still poor women (NOT all of course) sell their bodies to make a living. some parties steal (girl's) photoes and videos from their PERSONAL cell phones, PCs, etc or film other's private parties and publish it (of course illegally and without their permission).
i.e there's a wedding ceremony tonight, someone (secretly) films it and the next day, it's illegally spreaded and available for everyone to watch the privacy of the couple and also their guests.
see, that's fuckin sick...to be realistic, there's no way to erase those phenomena, better try to control it at least and of course protect those who don't wanna get involved.
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19.10.2008 - 19:46
Dagorwen
Written by [user id=30512] on 08.10.2008 at 22:37

Written by [user id=35302] on 07.10.2008 at 14:04

Let all be to their own...
Something to that effect

I have been addicted to pornography in the past. I now what it's like and it is no fun. People have the choice to be a fool and go to hookers and to watch pornography and to suck themselves or whatever they will do, but it is a stupid choice and therefor it is wrong.

The thing is : what should be considered as pornography? Then, there is a quite large (hahaha) wide open (hahaha bis) place between hard porn with fist fucking, facial ejaculation, double, triple penetration and such poetic things (never watched, never want to) and what a clergyman could name "pornography" for exemple the more or less satanic, SM, fetish esthetic of some comics that do not precisely imply sex (well, erotic scenes, but without picturing the genitals) but still spoil the soul (in a christian view). I do like those comics (Requiem the vampire knight, from Ledroit for instance) for I like the esthetic, the puns, the kind of drawings, but still, when I read it to much, I feel a little bit dirty or disturbed (less and less I should admit, it happened 2 years agor, now I simply enjoy it, what shows how wrecked my soul is!)

And about pornography and art, and even "real" hard porn, I would say, NEVER see it before you experience sex! It's like in surgery: never show the instruments before! The porn magazines or VERY erotic art should be really seriously kept out of the eyes of young people, the problem is that you can't put a limit, for some already have some experience with 15 and others none with 20. I'm saying it for I think my disgust for sex and genitals comes in a certain part from an exhibition of japanese art I saw in a museum when I was 14 or 15, and OF COURSE there were erotic drawings, some old hentai, I had NEVER seen genitals before, and if you have seen old japanese erotic drawings, you know how horrible, exagerated, monstruous it is! It looks like the Spaghetti Monster, with redish/violet folds and horrible hairs. You can imagine how shocked I was!!!

Sexuality should come naturaly, out of love and mutual attraction, for the first time at least. It's just horrible to have hookers and porn as sex first experience!
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19.10.2008 - 19:54
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Tage Westerlund
Dagorwen get good point about porn and sex epierience, ok I saw porno first
Its true people see hard cor eporn and thought its normal think, and after time it can make you hate sex, hate it because of to mutch porno , realy I had same felings soem 2 years ago nwo its over, but guys shood try sex before porno, thay shood know how long thay can have sex vefore cum, because 2 hours in movie whit out cumming in werry firts times ot wont be realistic
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19.10.2008 - 20:06
GodlessOne
Its a funny thing know, pornography and prostitution is a mere form of human behavior. Simple fact is sexuality cannot come naturaly in this day or age. Sex is a responsibility of our species but considering the media and its state as an "Open Taboo." we cannot perform like the animals we are. Pornography and prostitution have human traits that keep them alive like addict pornography well react like a drug to most males our eyes enlarge a hundred times while climaxing allowing the brain to flood with the drug like reaction. Prostitution is the oldest job there is but has transformed throughout the reign of religion when most degraded wemon and the reality is its vagina envy not penis envy. Its a from of greed developed from a womens body with force feed materialism behind it. Im going to leave it at that there are a million more facts but bottom line is we dont even know who we are as human anymore.
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19.10.2008 - 20:10
Dagorwen
Written by Bad English on 19.10.2008 at 19:54

thay shood know how long thay can have sex vefore cum, because 2 hours in movie whit out cumming in werry firts times ot wont be realistic

what is to cumm? or a cum? is it to be exhausted?
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19.10.2008 - 20:12
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Tage Westerlund
Written by Dagorwen on 19.10.2008 at 20:10

Written by Bad English on 19.10.2008 at 19:54

thay shood know how long thay can have sex vefore cum, because 2 hours in movie whit out cumming in werry firts times ot wont be realistic

what is to cumm? or a cum? is it to be exhausted?

Yes I mean cum
What you mean by exhausted I dunno menaing of it
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19.10.2008 - 22:44
Aei Ontos
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Written by AiwiAstwihad on 18.10.2008 at 16:12

Written by [user id=30512] on 17.10.2008 at 17:11

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 08.10.2008 at 23:04

Written by [user id=30512] on 08.10.2008 at 22:37

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illegalizing dosent make it vanish just makes women MORE prone to abuse than when it's legal cos it'll easily go underground.
it's entirely illegal here, by convention, by law, by relligion, by everything but still poor women (NOT all of course) sell their bodies to make a living. some parties steal (girl's) photoes and videos from their PERSONAL cell phones, PCs, etc or film other's private parties and publish it (of course illegally and without their permission).
i.e there's a wedding ceremony tonight, someone (secretly) films it and the next day, it's illegally spreaded and available for everyone to watch the privacy of the couple and also their guests.
see, that's fuckin sick...to be realistic, there's no way to erase those phenomena, better try to control it at least and of course protect those who don't wanna get involved.

That's true, as you might have noticed I did not say that it should be illegal. I said it was stupid. You can disagree of course, but I use the word stupid to make clear that it doesn't seem to be rational to me. But it happens and as you see in Iran there is a situation that people get what they want no matter what. That people can't control their lust makes prostitution nor porngraphy a good thing. Maybe you could say it is a necessary evil, but no more than that.
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20.10.2008 - 07:51
GodlessOne
WAIT... When was lust a bad thing sure when it becomes held under a microscope by the veins of the earth.
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20.10.2008 - 09:26
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Tage Westerlund
Written by GodlessOne on 20.10.2008 at 07:51

WAIT... When was lust a bad thing sure when it becomes held under a microscope by the veins of the earth.

How can we connected itw hit prostitution?
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20.10.2008 - 11:37
Dagorwen
Written by Bad English on 19.10.2008 at 20:12

Written by Dagorwen on 19.10.2008 at 20:10

Written by Bad English on 19.10.2008 at 19:54

thay shood know how long thay can have sex vefore cum, because 2 hours in movie whit out cumming in werry firts times ot wont be realistic

what is to cumm? or a cum? is it to be exhausted?

Yes I mean cum
What you mean by exhausted I dunno menaing of it

I was just wondering what the word meant! It's not written in my dictionnary, so I assume it's connected with sex, but my english vocabulary is not very rich for that subject...
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20.10.2008 - 14:06
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Tage Westerlund
Written by Dagorwen on 20.10.2008 at 11:37

Written by Bad English on 19.10.2008 at 20:12

Written by Dagorwen on 19.10.2008 at 20:10

Written by Bad English on 19.10.2008 at 19:54

thay shood know how long thay can have sex vefore cum, because 2 hours in movie whit out cumming in werry firts times ot wont be realistic

what is to cumm? or a cum? is it to be exhausted?

Yes I mean cum
What you mean by exhausted I dunno menaing of it

I was just wondering what the word meant! It's not written in my dictionnary, so I assume it's connected with sex, but my english vocabulary is not very rich for that subject...

Its not in dictunary cum is something like orgasm
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20.10.2008 - 14:12
Dagorwen
Ok! thanks!
oh! I just realize (I'm SO desperatly stupid) it's the american pronunciation for "coming" like in "oh yes I come!" isn't it?
Hahaha, I'm such a desperated case!
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20.10.2008 - 14:17
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Tage Westerlund
Written by Dagorwen on 20.10.2008 at 14:12

Ok! thanks!
oh! I just realize (I'm SO desperatly stupid) it's the american pronunciation for "coming" like in "oh yes I come!" isn't it?
Hahaha, I'm such a desperated case!

I dunno about it , Im not fun of usa porn I like italian french and its from mid 90's till 2001 something
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20.10.2008 - 22:32
Hyvaarin
Written by Dagorwen on 20.10.2008 at 14:12

Ok! thanks!
oh! I just realize (I'm SO desperatly stupid) it's the american pronunciation for "coming" like in "oh yes I come!" isn't it?
Hahaha, I'm such a desperated case!

Do you say "je viens" in French? Always wanted to know that haha.
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21.10.2008 - 00:02
Valentin B
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Written by Hyvaarin on 20.10.2008 at 22:32

Written by Dagorwen on 20.10.2008 at 14:12

Ok! thanks!
oh! I just realize (I'm SO desperatly stupid) it's the american pronunciation for "coming" like in "oh yes I come!" isn't it?
Hahaha, I'm such a desperated case!

Do you say "je viens" in French? Always wanted to know that haha.

i'd say something like: je cumme! je cumme!
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21.10.2008 - 01:02
GodlessOne
Cum isnt to orgasm uts the fluid it self, sperm. Cumming is the word for a orgasm so there you go kids a new word to play with.
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21.10.2008 - 01:19
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Tage Westerlund
Written by GodlessOne on 21.10.2008 at 01:02

Cum isnt to orgasm uts the fluid it self, sperm. Cumming is the word for a orgasm so there you go kids a new word to play with.

I know what is cum, its hard explain it in english for other that other understand
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