Written by [user id=105265] on 19.08.2011 at 18:11
I'm glad the trial is over though.

Same. Although I'm probably more glad that we're all so happy talking about this stuff in a calm, mature manner.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 19.08.2011 at 18:18

Written by [user id=105265] on 19.08.2011 at 18:11
I'm glad the trial is over though.

Same. Although I'm probably more glad that we're all so happy talking about this stuff in a calm, mature manner.

Ditto.

It's the year 2011 and we are still sending people to court for "offending" an imaginary fairy-tale, or people's feelings about it. Imagine if someone teared a copy of Lord of The Rings, and got sent to court for that, because some people were "offended" by it...

Written by [user id=119833] on 19.08.2011 at 02:45

Written by X-Ray Rod on 18.08.2011 at 17:27

Written by [user id=105265] on 18.08.2011 at 17:20

He hates them because they're satanic. Seriously.

Hmmmmm do you remember when you were 15 and started to hate random people just to look tough?
Yeah, me too.

Nah, I hate his satanic stance.

Written by warrior_of_ice on 18.08.2011 at 17:45

I'd be more pleased if Behemoth tore up some pages from the Qur'an. That vile book is far more poisonous than the Bible at this particular moment in human history. Fuck Islam and fuck the pedophile false prophet.

I'm sorry, but you offended me, and I'll report you to the mods.

Written by Dööm on 18.08.2011 at 22:04

I'm glad he got cleared of those charges.
Now, let's just get one thing straight: The Qur'an hasn't done anything and neither has the Bible. None of them are "poisonous". Everything bad associated with religion has of course been done by people. A book does not and will never do anything. Make certain you keep the people responsible. One might use the Bible as an excuse to kill, while another may use it as a reason for helping someone. In both cases, the book cannot be held accountable of what transpires. End of story.

The quran isn't written by people. I believe in Allah.

Man you truly are brainwashed if you think a supernatural entity wrote a book, but you are only 15 so I will leave you time to grow up and learn to think by yourself. Still, I'm not too optimistic as you come from Syria, which is not really known for it's freedom of thought... Well let me tell you this: If you ask respect of your beliefs to others you also have to respect the beliefs of others. You believe in Allah, Nergal believes in Satan. You believe in a supernatural entity, he believes in another supernatural entity.

I also find it ironic that you named yourself Beastofmetal a reference to the beast, which is defined as Satan both in the Bible, the Torah and the Qu'ran.

Written by dude on 19.08.2011 at 23:14

It's the year 2011 and we are still sending people to court for "offending" an imaginary fairy-tale, or people's feelings about it. Imagine if someone teared a copy of Lord of The Rings, and got sent to court for that, because some people were "offended" by it...

it's the year 2011 and outside of countries like Poland and hte middle east, the only group of people you CAN offend without horrible backlash are the religious types... well, Christians.

everyone else is off limits.

Argument over.
BitterCOld has spoken!

Written by Winterthrone on 19.08.2011 at 23:40
...as you come from Syria, which is not really known for it's freedom of thought...

Absolutely no intention to get into the personal whining here but have you followed recent events in Syria? Let's say the last three months? UN estimates state that around 2000 people have died for peaceful demonstration against an oppressive government. These people are willing to die for their beliefs. And it's not about religion or anything, just the idea that Syria should be democratic and value freedom of speech. If that isn't employed free thinking in it's most extreme form, I don't know what is.

Written by corrupt on 20.08.2011 at 11:08

Written by Winterthrone on 19.08.2011 at 23:40
...as you come from Syria, which is not really known for it's freedom of thought...

Absolutely no intention to get into the personal whining here but have you followed recent events in Syria? Let's say the last three months? UN estimates state that around 2000 people have died for peaceful demonstration against an oppressive government. These people are willing to die for their beliefs. And it's not about religion or anything, just the idea that Syria should be democratic and value freedom of speech. If that isn't employed free thinking in it's most extreme form, I don't know what is.

I was referencing exactly what you said. I was talking about Syria the State. I meant the State in Syria doesn't value freedom of thought and if you're fool enough to be brainwashed by religion, you're fool enough to be brainwashed by Bachar El-Assad and friends. I feel it's a country we're people are kept in ignorance and manipulated. Of course today with the internet it's more complicated for dictators to keep people in ignorance and some people will rebel against these stupid fucks (dictators that kill their own people just to keep the power.

Then I come back to our friend Beastofmetal: he doesn't seem like someone who thinks for himself and is ready to die for his personal beliefs. He seems to conform to a set a belief imposed by Islam and to reject everything that could contradict that set of belief. He condemns Behemoth just because they seem Satanic and says Nergal should have been condemned for tearing up a BIble...That's not really democratic and that's not the way I see freedom of thougt. I don't think he is a part of the movement against Bachar El-Assad's dictatorship as he seem conformist. Go see his profile and read about his 'color' you'll see what I mean. I'm very suprised he has an interest for Metal as it is an anti-conformist genre. Then again, he is only 15.

"....but I'm sure that I'm on the right path to ultimate freedom! The battle is won, but the war ain't over. Heil Satan!"

Written by Winterthrone on 21.08.2011 at 00:23
I was referencing exactly what you said. I was talking about Syria the State. I meant the State in Syria doesn't value freedom of thought and if you're fool enough to be brainwashed by religion, you're fool enough to be brainwashed by Bachar El-Assad and friends. I feel it's a country we're people are kept in ignorance and manipulated. Of course today with the internet it's more complicated for dictators to keep people in ignorance and some people will rebel against these stupid fucks (dictators that kill their own people just to keep the power.

We're here should be where - remember the two main purposes of apostrophes (') are to show contraction - letters being missed out - and to show possession. Except in the case of it's, where the first purpose overrules, and its is the possessive. It's = it is, we're = we are / we were

Written by Winterthrone on 21.08.2011 at 00:23
Then I come back to our friend Beastofmetal: he doesn't seem like someone who thinks for himself and is ready to die for his personal beliefs. He seems to conform to a set a belief imposed by Islam and to reject everything that could contradict that set of belief. He condemns Behemoth just because they seem Satanic and says Nergal should have been condemned for tearing up a BIble...That's not really democratic and that's not the way I see freedom of thougt. I don't think he is a part of the movement against Bachar El-Assad's dictatorship as he seem conformist. Go see his profile and read about his 'color' you'll see what I mean. I'm very suprised he has an interest for Metal as it is an anti-conformist genre. Then again, he is only 15.

The "color" thing on his profile is light-hearted stuff from a game, as mentioned in one of MS' hot forum topics right now (What Color Are You? (Magic: The Gathering Test)). Don't read into it too much

I don't plan to say much more in this topic, but...

Written by corrupt on 20.08.2011 at 11:08

Written by Winterthrone on 19.08.2011 at 23:40
...as you come from Syria, which is not really known for it's freedom of thought...

Absolutely no intention to get into the personal whining here but have you followed recent events in Syria? Let's say the last three months? UN estimates state that around 2000 people have died for peaceful demonstration against an oppressive government. These people are willing to die for their beliefs. And it's not about religion or anything, just the idea that Syria should be democratic and value freedom of speech. If that isn't employed free thinking in it's most extreme form, I don't know what is.

Exactly?

Bah, I don't know what to say further, it's probably just shit-stirring... of a potentially scary variety. Apologies if I've taken your post the wrong way... I wouldn't be surprised with my current mental state

People really need to stop being so aggro. there are alot of terruble religous people but that diesnt mean there all bad. i consider myself an atheist and hate many of the christian beliefs but i still have plenty of christian friends and we get along fine. just like im a metalhead but most of my friends dont listen to metal. the world isnt so black and white.

Written by Syk on 22.08.2011 at 08:31

Written by Winterthrone on 21.08.2011 at 00:23
I was referencing exactly what you said. I was talking about Syria the State. I meant the State in Syria doesn't value freedom of thought and if you're fool enough to be brainwashed by religion, you're fool enough to be brainwashed by Bachar El-Assad and friends. I feel it's a country we're people are kept in ignorance and manipulated. Of course today with the internet it's more complicated for dictators to keep people in ignorance and some people will rebel against these stupid fucks (dictators that kill their own people just to keep the power.

We're here should be where - remember the two main purposes of apostrophes (') are to show contraction - letters being missed out - and to show possession. Except in the case of it's, where the first purpose overrules, and its is the possessive. It's = it is, we're = we are / we were

Written by Winterthrone on 21.08.2011 at 00:23
Then I come back to our friend Beastofmetal: he doesn't seem like someone who thinks for himself and is ready to die for his personal beliefs. He seems to conform to a set a belief imposed by Islam and to reject everything that could contradict that set of belief. He condemns Behemoth just because they seem Satanic and says Nergal should have been condemned for tearing up a BIble...That's not really democratic and that's not the way I see freedom of thougt. I don't think he is a part of the movement against Bachar El-Assad's dictatorship as he seem conformist. Go see his profile and read about his 'color' you'll see what I mean. I'm very suprised he has an interest for Metal as it is an anti-conformist genre. Then again, he is only 15.

The "color" thing on his profile is light-hearted stuff from a game, as mentioned in one of MS' hot forum topics right now (What Color Are You? (Magic: The Gathering Test)). Don't read into it too much

I don't plan to say much more in this topic, but...

Written by corrupt on 20.08.2011 at 11:08

Written by Winterthrone on 19.08.2011 at 23:40
...as you come from Syria, which is not really known for it's freedom of thought...

Absolutely no intention to get into the personal whining here but have you followed recent events in Syria? Let's say the last three months? UN estimates state that around 2000 people have died for peaceful demonstration against an oppressive government. These people are willing to die for their beliefs. And it's not about religion or anything, just the idea that Syria should be democratic and value freedom of speech. If that isn't employed free thinking in it's most extreme form, I don't know what is.

Exactly?

Bah, I don't know what to say further, it's probably just shit-stirring... of a potentially scary variety. Apologies if I've taken your post the wrong way... I wouldn't be surprised with my current mental state

I won't comment your ranting on a simple typing mistake cause I had an A+ in Written English at University. I'll just state that I saw worse mistakes in reviews published on this website that were 'proofread' before they were published (my ass).

And yes you took my post the wrong way. I said I was referencing the events he was talking about. But, when I said that Syria wasn't well known for it's freedom of thought I was talking about the STATE of Syria NOT the PEOPLE of Syria. The proof is that a Motherfucker named Bachar El-Assad is killing some of his own compatriots because they are trying too speak and think freely. Then we come to the point I was trying to make: Beastofmetal seems pretty touchy and dogmatic on religious issues like the Dick-tator (it's a joke not a mistake you grammar-nazi) in his country is dogmatic and touchy on democratic issues.

EDIt: Oh and on the color issue, if someone writes something to describe his character then it says a lot on him even if it,s 'light hearted' stuff.

Written by Sulac on 18.08.2011 at 17:43

I'm a Christian, and not a fan of Behemoth or Nergal, but I'm glad he was acquited. Religion =/= government, and people with faith have no right to be worked up over someone with a different, contradictory, or no faith.

This is definitely post of the thread!

Religion should never be allowed to intefere in either government, or the laws of the land. As when religion is allowed to intefere in those things, it only serves to persecute non-religious people. (and in some cases, different religions)

It's only just and right that Nergal was aquitted. If it's okay to jail someone for offending religious people, then the only fair thing to do, is to also jail religious people who antagonise and offend those who are non-religious, or have a different religion to themselves. The religious should not be allowed to have a monopoly on being "offended".

This isn't YourfavoritereligionStorm. . C'mon guys, we all have our points of views

Written by BitterCOld on 19.08.2011 at 23:59

it's the year 2011 and outside of countries like Poland and hte middle east, the only group of people you CAN offend without horrible backlash are the religious types... well, Christians.

everyone else is off limits.

I'm from Poland and let me tell you - the number of morons who get offended by such things is very small. It's basically limited to a group of old people and one radical political party. Most of the society doesn't give a shit about some metal band's gimmicks.

This whole bible tearing incident was blown out of proportion because Nergal became really famous when he started dating a famous Polish pop singer nicknamed Doda:



If it hadn't been for this (already ended) relationship, no one outside the metal community would've noticed that torn book.

Written by Daniell on 24.08.2011 at 15:02

Written by BitterCOld on 19.08.2011 at 23:59

it's the year 2011 and outside of countries like Poland and hte middle east, the only group of people you CAN offend without horrible backlash are the religious types... well, Christians.

everyone else is off limits.

I'm from Poland and let me tell you - the number of morons who get offended by such things is very small. It's basically limited to a group of old people and one radical political party. Most of the society doesn't give a shit about some metal band's gimmicks.

This whole bible tearing incident was blown out of proportion because Nergal became really famous when he started dating a famous Polish pop singer nicknamed Doda:



If it hadn't been for this (already ended) relationship, no one outside the metal community would've noticed that torn book.

God, she is hot! What? Nergal is not with her anymore? I thought they were still together.

Written by [user id=105265] on 18.08.2011 at 17:20

Written by X-Ray Rod on 18.08.2011 at 17:09

Written by [user id=119833] on 18.08.2011 at 17:06

He deserves it. I despise Nergal and Behemoth. Stupid overrated band.

I won't question your dislike for the band as that is just musical preference. But why do you hate Nergal?

He hates them because they're satanic. Seriously.

And to Beast: He didn't lose the trial. He won.

Actually there not satanic, just because there are satanic themes in their lyrics that does not make them satanic. Nergal has stated on several occasions that he does not like the band being labeled and that while he does not believe in the god from christianity or any other god he believes that each person has their own beliefs and his own are his own and thats all that matters. He has never come out and defined his beliefs. The whole Heil Satan thing is just who he is and most likely said merely to fit his rebelious nature against christianity and the whole case.

Written by Winterthrone on 19.08.2011 at 23:40

Man you truly are brainwashed if you think a supernatural entity wrote a book, but you are only 15 so I will leave you time to grow up and learn to think by yourself. Still, I'm not too optimistic as you come from Syria, which is not really known for it's freedom of thought... Well let me tell you this: If you ask respect of your beliefs to others you also have to respect the beliefs of others. You believe in Allah, Nergal believes in Satan. You believe in a supernatural entity, he believes in another supernatural entity.

I also find it ironic that you named yourself Beastofmetal a reference to the beast, which is defined as Satan both in the Bible, the Torah and the Qu'ran.

brainwashed? really? if you think that people wrote the holy book not supernatural entity then let me tell you felt in a mistake, you're not a Muslim to gave us your false opinions, every one has his own opinion but that's not reason to offended the muslims people here because they're just "Muslim".
Nergal believe in Satan that's okay, I respect that also him, he said that he don't listen to Behemoth because they're satanists, anything wrong for this moment? I see the comments above the people in their speech said "You Must Listen To Behemoth, You Must Be Satanist" was that respective?.
and I would tell you what The Shape 1973 said.

Written by Metal_4Ever on 29.08.2011 at 13:12

Written by Winterthrone on 19.08.2011 at 23:40

Man you truly are brainwashed if you think a supernatural entity wrote a book, but you are only 15 so I will leave you time to grow up and learn to think by yourself. Still, I'm not too optimistic as you come from Syria, which is not really known for it's freedom of thought... Well let me tell you this: If you ask respect of your beliefs to others you also have to respect the beliefs of others. You believe in Allah, Nergal believes in Satan. You believe in a supernatural entity, he believes in another supernatural entity.

I also find it ironic that you named yourself Beastofmetal a reference to the beast, which is defined as Satan both in the Bible, the Torah and the Qu'ran.

brainwashed? really? if you think that people wrote the holy book not supernatural entity then let me tell you felt in a mistake, you're not a Muslim to gave us your false opinions, every one has his own opinion but that's not reason to offended the muslims people here because they're just "Muslim".
Nergal believe in Satan that's okay, I respect that also him, he said that he don't listen to Behemoth because they're satanists, anything wrong for this moment? I see the comments above the people in their speech said "You Must Listen To Behemoth, You Must Be Satanist" was that respective?.
and I would tell you what The Shape 1973 said.

I didn't say he was brainwashed cause he is a muslim. I said he was brainwashed because he believed a supernatural entity wrote a book. I would have said the same thing abourt a Christian, a Jew or any other believer that said a god wrote his favorite book. Believing such bullshit is one of the reasons why I'm an Atheist. I'm not a satanist either because I do not believe in supernatural entities, I think and try to analyse things from a rational point of view. Believing in things without any proofs of their existence is irrational. He said Behemoth was a stupid overrated band, and that is not very nice to Behemoth's fans. Beastofmetal said Nergal should have gone to jail for tearing up a Bible, that is insulting the values of a secular society. Read my posts carefully, I never said Muslims were worse tahn other religious people. All religions should be abolished if it was up to me.

I pee on the edge of the toilet so its quiet.

Written by Winterthrone on 29.08.2011 at 20:16


I didn't say he was brainwashed cause he is a muslim. I said he was brainwashed because he believed a supernatural entity wrote a book. I would have said the same thing abourt a Christian, a Jew or any other believer that said a god wrote his favorite book. Believing such bullshit is one of the reasons why I'm an Atheist. I'm not a satanist either because I do not believe in supernatural entities, I think and try to analyse things from a rational point of view. Believing in things without any proofs of their existence is irrational. He said Behemoth was a stupid overrated band, and that is not very nice to Behemoth's fans. Beastofmetal said Nergal should have gone to jail for tearing up a Bible, that is insulting the values of a secular society. Read my posts carefully, I never said Muslims were worse tahn other religious people. All religions should be abolished if it was up to me.

Uh, you didn't say he was brainwashed cause he is muslim! for your information every Muslim believe that the holy book had written by supernatural entity, I can't teach you right now about Islam, but if you searched BElieve me you will find a true things and a lot of proofs.
Uh again, and I never said that you said muslim were worse than other religious people.

Anyway this news was so big that it even ended up covered in one big newspaper here in serbia called "Novosti"....

Written by Metal_4Ever on 30.08.2011 at 14:01

Written by Winterthrone on 29.08.2011 at 20:16


I didn't say he was brainwashed cause he is a muslim. I said he was brainwashed because he believed a supernatural entity wrote a book. I would have said the same thing abourt a Christian, a Jew or any other believer that said a god wrote his favorite book. Believing such bullshit is one of the reasons why I'm an Atheist. I'm not a satanist either because I do not believe in supernatural entities, I think and try to analyse things from a rational point of view. Believing in things without any proofs of their existence is irrational. He said Behemoth was a stupid overrated band, and that is not very nice to Behemoth's fans. Beastofmetal said Nergal should have gone to jail for tearing up a Bible, that is insulting the values of a secular society. Read my posts carefully, I never said Muslims were worse tahn other religious people. All religions should be abolished if it was up to me.

Uh, you didn't say he was brainwashed cause he is muslim! for your information every Muslim believe that the holy book had written by supernatural entity, I can't teach you right now about Islam, but if you searched BElieve me you will find a true things and a lot of proofs.
Uh again, and I never said that you said muslim were worse than other religious people.

Show me those proofs man. Ans I wan't better than just hearsay and esoteric bullshit.

Written by Winterthrone on 01.09.2011 at 04:01


Show me those proofs man. Ans I wan't better than just hearsay and esoteric bullshit.

I said I can't teach you right now go and search by yourself, and why you don't give your proofs about that OUR holy book written by people, search, search cuz you will find nothing.

Written by Metal_4Ever on 01.09.2011 at 12:12

Written by Winterthrone on 01.09.2011 at 04:01


Show me those proofs man. Ans I wan't better than just hearsay and esoteric bullshit.

I said I can't teach you right now go and search by yourself, and why you don't give your proofs about that OUR holy book written by people, search, search cuz you will find nothing.

Ok so according to the courses I took in College on the three great monotheistic religions. The Qu'ran was probably written by your prophet Mohammed who told he had been visited by the Angel Gabriel in a Cavern who dictated him what Allah or God or Yaveh wanted to be written in that book. To me that sounds like a perfectly natural human being (Mohammed) writing book to provide guidelines for his people in a time of religious distress (I hope you know about what life was in those days in Arabic countries before Islam) and giving it legitimacy by saying it was told to him by an ambassador on God. Then again this goes for every religion. Jesus said he was the Son of God and some people searching something to give meaning to their lives followed him and believed him. Abraham said God made an alliance with him to make is people follow him. In those days people were kept in ignorance so they believed more easily in those...Let's call them gurus, cause that's what they would be called these days.

And now this .... poor lego

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/03/lego_tool_of_satan/

and same time they ask 10 000 nato solders in poland .. maybe time stop bullshiting and get back to reality