IronAngel
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09.06.2012 - 15:02Rating: 9
You seem to rate it very highly in contrast to your review. I mean, 7 is well above average (which would be 5.5) and thus pretty damn good. I guess you have to be forgiven because MS users (and the rating descriptions, no less) favor the high end of the scale and make everything below 5 very redundant. There are basically 4 scores for stuff you like, and 6 for stuff you don't like; which is stupid, because there's very little reason to differentiate between two bad albums you don't enjoy, whereas the difference between good stuff is much more relevant.
I found the performance and production to be pretty amateurish on this one. I still like it better than FOAPB and what followed, but it's pretty incohesive and inconsistent like you said.
Nine Cats is an amazing song, but I liked it better on the Signify rework. Jupiter Island is also wonderful, but that production is not worth a 7. But yeah, I mostly agree with what you wrote in your review. Good job.
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R'Vannith ghedengi ElitePosts: 3099 |
09.06.2012 - 15:58Rating: 7
Written by IronAngel on 09.06.2012 at 15:02
You seem to rate it very highly in contrast to your review. I mean, 7 is well above average (which would be 5.5) and thus pretty damn good. I guess you have to be forgiven because MS users (and the rating descriptions, no less) favor the high end of the scale and make everything below 5 very redundant. There are basically 4 scores for stuff you like, and 6 for stuff you don't like; which is stupid, because there's very little reason to differentiate between two bad albums you don't enjoy, whereas the difference between good stuff is much more relevant.
I found the performance and production to be pretty amateurish on this one. I still like it better than FOAPB and what followed, but it's pretty incohesive and inconsistent like you said.
Nine Cats is an amazing song, but I liked it better on the Signify rework. Jupiter Island is also wonderful, but that production is not worth a 7. But yeah, I mostly agree with what you wrote in your review. Good job.
Thanks, I won't deny the rating is high in comparison to what I might have given it if I were familiar and a part of other rating systems. But the number placed at the side is really only a brief indication of how good something is in the context of MS. As for whether in reality the ratings on this website are critical enough, to be honest I don't care at all, as long as someone who reads my thoughts can understand what I'm trying to say that's really all I hope for. After all the ratings are a system of communicating how good something is among a group of people, if that group of people can be at some relative level when discussing ratings, regardless of how critical/uncritical they are, then it provides for a way to suggest to others what is worth listening to and what isn't. Its probably true though, as you said, that the higher ratings here give a minimal scope for such discussion as everything rarely falls below the 5 mark.
Heh, you probably won't agree with my next review then, UtD is much better.
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IronAngel
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09.06.2012 - 19:06Rating: 9
I don't actually have much of an opinion on UtD. I haven't listened to it nearly as much and not in years anyhow. Looking forward to it. My top three are probably In Absentia, The Sky Moves Sideways and Lightbulb Sun. I like them best when they're writing good, catchy songs rather than psychedelic noodling or polished wankery like Metanoia or FOABP, respectively.
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I admire Steven Wilson for creating such an album, at that time (1991); the ideas for this album started being laid down late 80s so to create such music (progressive psychedelia) proves a lot of courage if you ask me.
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tea[m]ster Au Pays Natal ContributorPosts: 5266 |
Nice review, as usual. Although, for me, I don't like anything before Stupid Dream. Dunno, just not into what he was doing then.
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X-Ray Rod Skandino StaffPosts: 18384 |
Written by IronAngel on 09.06.2012 at 15:02
You seem to rate it very highly in contrast to your review. I mean, 7 is well above average (which would be 5.5) and thus pretty damn good. I guess you have to be forgiven because MS users (and the rating descriptions, no less) favor the high end of the scale and make everything below 5 very redundant. There are basically 4 scores for stuff you like, and 6 for stuff you don't like; which is stupid
Even if we throw out of the window the "MS system" of ratings I still wouldn't call 7/10 as "pretty damn good"... I would use it for "it's good"
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BloodTears ANA-thema ElitePosts: 11835 |
09.06.2012 - 20:33Rating: 8
Most people don't like this album. I'm not one of them. I LOVE most of the songs in here, despite the overall weirdness. I remember I thought "WTF" the first time I listened to this, but by then I was already familiar with the singularities of a band like Porcupine Tree.
I do agree that it was amateurish and that is very natural and part of it.
The follow-ups Up The Downstair and The Sky Moves Sideways were a huge improvement, but I still liked that nakedness and naiveness of that first release.
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IronAngel
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09.06.2012 - 20:45Rating: 9
Written by X-Ray Rod on 09.06.2012 at 20:12
Even if we throw out of the window the "MS system" of ratings I still wouldn't call 7/10 as "pretty damn good"... I would use it for "it's good"
Mm... well 6 is numerically above average, so something around "quite OK", 6.5 something like "pretty nice", and 7 would be firmly in the "good" ground. So yeah, maybe "pretty damn good" would be like 8, whereas 9 would be reserved for like 5 albums a year, if that.
But an album with some nice (or even great) moments that lacks cohesion wouldn't rank as 7 if we used some kind of normal distribution pattern. According to the review, this clearly isn't a good album throughout, despite having some good music on it.
This is making way too big a deal about a number, though. Just figured I'd point out the narrow scale with which "good" albums operate. If an album was kinda decent but not consistent in quality, I wouldn't rate it above 6 (might go 5 for "meh, it's OK"), if only to leave room to differentiate between the really enjoyable albums more closely.
I'm speaking from personal experience with the frustrating RYM scale: almost all the enjoyable albums I review fall between 3 and 3.5, with some 4s and 2.5s. I wish I had from the start followed a more nuanced rating system consistently, because I now have no use for ratings 0.5-2.0.
I mean, whoever disliked an album and still saw the need to fairly and critically differentiate between 2 and 3 points (on a scale of 1-10)?
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X-Ray Rod Skandino StaffPosts: 18384 |
Written by IronAngel on 09.06.2012 at 20:45
This is making way too big a deal about a number, though.
Shit dude, that's like... Half the point about being on the internet. Making a big fuzz. I personally would like that we could have .5 for our own ratings. I know I'm not the only one in the staff/elite.
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R'Vannith ghedengi ElitePosts: 3099 |
10.06.2012 - 12:01Rating: 7
Written by IronAngel on 09.06.2012 at 19:06
I don't actually have much of an opinion on UtD. I haven't listened to it nearly as much and not in years anyhow. Looking forward to it. My top three are probably In Absentia, The Sky Moves Sideways and Lightbulb Sun. I like them best when they're writing good, catchy songs rather than psychedelic noodling or polished wankery like Metanoia or FOABP, respectively.
UtD is the most well structured album from their psychedelic era I think, also from my view the tracks are the most catchy from that early period. I'd say Metanoia is the one I'm least familiar with and I can't really remember if I like it or not. As for my top three they would be Signify, Lightbulb Sun and either Deadwing or the 'polished wankery'.
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R'Vannith ghedengi ElitePosts: 3099 |
10.06.2012 - 12:05Rating: 7
Written by [user id=17278] on 09.06.2012 at 19:17
I admire Steven Wilson for creating such an album, at that time (1991); the ideas for this album started being laid down late 80s so to create such music (progressive psychedelia) proves a lot of courage if you ask me.
Written by BloodTears on 09.06.2012 at 20:33
The follow-ups Up The Downstair and The Sky Moves Sideways were a huge improvement, but I still liked that nakedness and naiveness of that first release.
I agree, Steven was pretty ambitious I think and without this album I daresay we would have no Porcupine Tree. So its vital in that way.
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R'Vannith ghedengi ElitePosts: 3099 |
10.06.2012 - 12:09Rating: 7
Written by X-Ray Rod on 09.06.2012 at 20:48
Written by IronAngel on 09.06.2012 at 20:45
This is making way too big a deal about a number, though.
Shit dude, that's like... Half the point about being on the internet. Making a big fuzz. I personally would like that we could have .5 for our own ratings. I know I'm not the only one in the staff/elite.
If I were to make a big fuzz, or try to, I would like to think I could do it with words rather than a number which has no meaning beyond allocating the piece of music to a scale. Saying "this music here - that's 7" .. that doesn't mean anything, how you describe the music itself is ultimately what's far more important.
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Azarath Free as a.. Fish
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13.06.2012 - 02:18Rating: 7
It's a bit messy since it's a collection of songs from earlier cassette releases, but I find it very enjoyable. There are some drifting mood pieces here, but also beautiful soundscapes and a rare display of humour. Overall quite underrated, though the following 2 albums are clear improvements.
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