Lucas Mr. Noise ElitePosts: 13427 |
LucasMr. NoiseElitePosts: 13427
He didn't say what that it is crappy. Others say it.
@jupitreas, you surely make a good point. Appropriate is the right word.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
At everyone... I didn't call the darkthrone, Xasthur, Leviathan production crappy... (like Nervel also said)
I actually called it a very grainy almost minimal sort of production
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Jason W. Razorbliss StaffPosts: 3523 |
I must admit, I'm kind of disappointed at the misinterpretations some people have about your comments in the production areas of music, it makes total sense to me.
Regarding your use of your own name, personally, I would do the same as yourself, because I think the internet can create too much of a feeling of distance as it is. Any way to cut down the anonymity is the best route, particularly when it comes to things that are as integral to a band's career as reviews on a major website such as MS. Outside of concerns of personal security, using one's real name (and at least a picture available) would be more than enough if I were reading a review of my own work
I also think bias in review is not only respectable, but (for me) desirable to a point. If a get to know a reviewer's taste very well and I know I usually like his/her taste in music, then I know that I can gamble and buy some music I'm unfamiliar with just based on their words. If someone is too objective/neutral, it's sometimes difficult to know if I personally will like the music (s)he gives high marks to. The same goes for movie reviews as well: I can tell if I'll like a movie based on the few reviewers I follow because I know their bias and I like it! (or conversely - hate it!)
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BitterCOld The Ancient One AdminPosts: 15287 |
Good long ramble there. I do want to try my hand at more reviews - it's just that i need to carve out the time to do some. I do take them seriously and want to do as thorough a job as possible, which requires a familiarity with the artist and music in question. Sometimes my first impression of an album is far from my lasting one.
As for names - frankly, I want to retain a great bit of anonymity on the internet in pretty much every forum I post on. This one is no different. As a bitter old man with caustic opinions, the last thing I want is my wife finding crap in the mailbox or whatever for inflammatory remarks I make here.
Exemptions exist the case of individual posters whom I connect with.
In the case of reviews, I would maintain my MS moniker for the public listing. If a band member or the label of the reviewed piece were to attempt to contact me directly through my MS profile, or via MS Staff, I would be willing to introduce myself on a more personal level - regardless as to whether the artist approves or disagrees heartily with my remarks.
In the case of interviews, I have only done one - an email interview (thanks again for those that helped set it up) - and given the format I just submitted questions. In retrospect, I wish I had included both my real name and MS chop in the introductory portion of the Q&A. Going forward, I will be sure to do so.
Essentially, what it boils down to is that in any contact directly from the artist/label, I am definitely highly in favor of pushing the human level of contact to as close to real as it can get.
In the case of dealing with you sick, twisted miscreants, I wish to remain at arms length. Or further.
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Spyroid Rosetta Stoned
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I'm to lazy to read through all the post, and I see somebody has already commented about the production ratings. But I instantly came to think of this - when rating production, it's not about a scale of perfection, and rating it after how crystal clear it is, right?
When I rate productions I only think of how 'good' it is - in an 'objective' way. Darkthrone's production is of course good if you like that kind of metal! So I don't see what's extra hard when it comes to rating productions, I simply rate it after how good it works on that specific album.
Otherwise nice reading, your language is great (which it should be, thinking of your job , and I agree with you on most points.
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Aye, reviewers, here's something to discuss.
My stance towards certain albums has changed and will most probably continue to do so in time, I doubt I'm unique so this probably applies to you too. The music I cherish the most has been lying dormant in my computer/on the shelf for some time before I have "discovered" their excellence. I've, at first, even disliked the music.
So, when is the right time to review an album? After the first listen, after ten consecutive spins on the player or after letting it sink, say a couple of months first hearing it. And it must be a a rather unpleasant feeling to discover that you destroyed an album in your review which you apparently like now.
Do tell me if I'm the only to encounter the described phenomena, I'll delete this post if it is so.
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Lucas Mr. Noise ElitePosts: 13427 |
LucasMr. NoiseElitePosts: 13427
Written by [user id=3005] on 06.07.2008 at 01:36
Aye, reviewers, here's something to discuss.
My stance towards certain albums has changed and will most probably continue to do so in time, I doubt I'm unique so this probably applies to you too. The music I cherish the most has been lying dormant in my computer/on the shelf for some time before I have "discovered" their excellence. I've, at first, even disliked the music.
So, when is the right time to review an album? After the first listen, after ten consecutive spins on the player or after letting it sink, say a couple of months first hearing it. And it must be a a rather unpleasant feeling to discover that you destroyed an album in your review which you apparently like now.
Do tell me if I'm the only to encounter the described phenomena, I'll delete this post if it is so.
You ask about the right time to review an album. I think that you cannot bluntly say "x weeks", or "x days", as that is different for each album.
Some albums need to sink in, very true, but in 99% of the cases I know that already with the first spin. You do not yet have the feeling of "totally awesome", but you do realize this is something unique (as "sink" albums usually are unique in a sense) and has something going on. Then it's just a matter of waiting till it reveals itself, of course through multiple listens.
Some albums are just music. Nothing more nothing less. That doesn't say anything about the quality. But you just hear what the musicians do, and you are almost immediately able to tell if you like it or not.
I have changed my opinion about a couple of albums, but usually not much. I haven't encountered the total (dis)like for an album you used to love(/hate), yet. If I will, I guess I will see what my review says about them. Perhaps I'll be able to make a few minor changes, as sound descriptions stay the same, or I'll write another review. (Though I don't know what MetalStorm's policy is about writing two reviews for the same album.) If I can't do that, I'll probably delete the first one and just write a long new one, in which I state my initial love for the album, and why I changed my mind.
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jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life StaffPosts: 6659 |
No need to delete your old review if you change your mind. A review is a subjective view of a music listener. The only thing that sets the professional reviewer apart from any other music listener is that he should be able to back up his claims with some kind of rational argument. Otherwise, the review is posted at a particular date and particularly with new albums, it is obvious that the reviewer didnt have a very long time to completely digest everything that a record has to offer. If my mind about an album changes after a while, I'd just add an addendum to the existing review. This is not unprofessional. It reveals the reviewers voice and identifies him as a human being, instead of some sort of superhuman arbiter of taste.
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Written by jupitreas on 07.07.2008 at 02:00
No need to delete your old review if you change your mind. A review is a subjective view of a music listener. The only thing that sets the professional reviewer apart from any other music listener is that he should be able to back up his claims with some kind of rational argument. Otherwise, the review is posted at a particular date and particularly with new albums, it is obvious that the reviewer didnt have a very long time to completely digest everything that a record has to offer. If my mind about an album changes after a while, I'd just add an addendum to the existing review. This is not unprofessional. It reveals the reviewers voice and identifies him as a human being, instead of some sort of superhuman arbiter of taste.
But you had deleted reviews yourself! doesn't the ghost of that hypocrisy's self-titled torment your nights?
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jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life StaffPosts: 6659 |
Yeah, I did delete that one review (actually, I didnt upload it after it got lost in an MS update).
So what? I make mistakes and fail to practice what I preach sometimes. Here's to being human!
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Stuart MiseryKing
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Written by jupitreas on 17.09.2008 at 19:44
Yeah, I did delete that one review (actually, I didnt upload it after it got lost in an MS update).
So what? I make mistakes and fail to practice what I preach sometimes. Here's to being human!
No! Being human is totally unacceptable!
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Slayer666
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Written by Lucas on 06.07.2008 at 23:14
Written by [user id=3005] on 06.07.2008 at 01:36
Aye, reviewers, here's something to discuss.
My stance towards certain albums has changed and will most probably continue to do so in time, I doubt I'm unique so this probably applies to you too. The music I cherish the most has been lying dormant in my computer/on the shelf for some time before I have "discovered" their excellence. I've, at first, even disliked the music.
So, when is the right time to review an album? After the first listen, after ten consecutive spins on the player or after letting it sink, say a couple of months first hearing it. And it must be a a rather unpleasant feeling to discover that you destroyed an album in your review which you apparently like now.
Do tell me if I'm the only to encounter the described phenomena, I'll delete this post if it is so.
You ask about the right time to review an album. I think that you cannot bluntly say "x weeks", or "x days", as that is different for each album.
Some albums need to sink in, very true, but in 99% of the cases I know that already with the first spin. You do not yet have the feeling of "totally awesome", but you do realize this is something unique (as "sink" albums usually are unique in a sense) and has something going on. Then it's just a matter of waiting till it reveals itself, of course through multiple listens.
Some albums are just music. Nothing more nothing less. That doesn't say anything about the quality. But you just hear what the musicians do, and you are almost immediately able to tell if you like it or not.
I have changed my opinion about a couple of albums, but usually not much. I haven't encountered the total (dis)like for an album you used to love(/hate), yet. If I will, I guess I will see what my review says about them. Perhaps I'll be able to make a few minor changes, as sound descriptions stay the same, or I'll write another review. (Though I don't know what MetalStorm's policy is about writing two reviews for the same album.) If I can't do that, I'll probably delete the first one and just write a long new one, in which I state my initial love for the album, and why I changed my mind.
So very true. I only changed my opinion once. I think it was some Gorgoroth's stuff. Few listens after the initial "Oh, my God, this is so dark and brutal I LOVE IT!!!!" I realised that it's actually just some way too noisy crap that had really nothing to offer besides the "guitar grind". I wrote a review on one Blind Guardian's album with only one listen and it was more than enough. You still didn't proofread the thing though. I'm writing this at 12th of January.
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Before I rate an album, I search for the band's information. I then check other people's reviews
and opinions. Some songs for me are growers, and a few are catchy but I've learned one thing - opinions change
from time to time. I hated so many albums at first but then ended up digging every single one of
them. I also liked many albums when I listened to them for the first time but later on, I gave them away to
my friends.
To review is different from wanting to like or wanting to hate something. It is really difficult
to rate an album objectively. The way you review things will depend on your personality, your
background and the last ingredient - your current state of mind.
The state of mind is a huge factor, if you are either listening or
making music. So, the right thing to do is find the review you made which you
consider your best and try to remember how(notice, I didn't use "what")
you were thinking back then. Now, that is the most difficult part.
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Warman Erotic Stains
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Written by Doc G. on 15.05.2007 at 05:13
I can see where your coming from on the reviews type thing. Luckily I only review old albums and Im not staff, but if I was to ever become a staff member doing reviews Id probably follow your example, very honorable not hiding behind a nickname.
I think I have to agree with you here.
And it really would be a pain if everyone here had their real name as a username. It's much easier remembering a username and just imagine how many of us that must have the same name as another person?
"I agree with John on this topic".
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Steve quoted your message here:
Quote: "I agree with John on this topic".
Which John are you talking about?
Quote:
Quote: "I agree with John on this topic".
Which John are you talking about?
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Doc G. Full Grown Hoser StaffPosts: 9718 |
Doc G.Full Grown HoserStaffPosts: 9718
Written by Warman on 20.01.2009 at 02:48
Written by Doc G. on 15.05.2007 at 05:13
I can see where your coming from on the reviews type thing. Luckily I only review old albums and Im not staff, but if I was to ever become a staff member doing reviews Id probably follow your example, very honorable not hiding behind a nickname.
I think I have to agree with you here.
And it really would be a pain if everyone here had their real name as a username. It's much easier remembering a username and just imagine how many of us that must have the same name as another person?
After more thought on the subject (you quoted me on quite an old post) I would probably keep my username for a number of reasons:
1. The reason you stated (hell even Lucas' name is fairly close to mine, people might get mixed up right off the bat)
2. I don't feel comfortable putting up too much information about myself to an open audience on the internet, it sounds paranoid (and maybe it is), but I don't feel comfortable with just anybody having access to my first and last name. The internet being such an open place I have no idea how far they can get on my name (possibly spam, people who take personal offence to my reviews and happen to live near by, psychotic ex-girlfriends etc.). Long story short I'd like to have some control over these types of things.
3. Identification, its a hell of a lot easier to remember someone by a brief memorable nickname than first and last name. Kind of the whole purpose of a nickname.
4. Once again, if I was ever to become staff, I would not write a meaningless bash-fest of a review that actually required a band to speak with me personally, and if that were the case I'd be happy to give out my name under controlled circumstances.
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Warman Erotic Stains
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Written by Doc G. on 20.01.2009 at 03:05
After more thought on the subject (you quoted me on quite an old post) I would probably keep my username for a number of reasons:
1. The reason you stated (hell even Lucas' name is fairly close to mine, people might get mixed up right off the bat)
2. I don't feel comfortable putting up too much information about myself to an open audience on the internet, it sounds paranoid (and maybe it is), but I don't feel comfortable with just anybody having access to my first and last name. The internet being such an open place I have no idea how far they can get on my name (possibly spam, people who take personal offence to my reviews and happen to live near by, psychotic ex-girlfriends etc.). Long story short I'd like to have some control over these types of things.
3. Identification, its a hell of a lot easier to remember someone by a brief memorable nickname than first and last name. Kind of the whole purpose of a nickname.
4. Once again, if I was ever to become staff, I would not write a meaningless bash-fest of a review that actually required a band to speak with me personally, and if that were the case I'd be happy to give out my name under controlled circumstances.
Hahaha, I think I have to agree with you yet again.
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