Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
I prefer their previous album Fin De Siècle by far to this one. Kaiserschnitt gets quite boring due to the fact the band isn't really all over the place any more but are way way way more streamlined and compact than before. Totally not as eclectic as on Fin De Siècle, a shame.
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mz
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I also agree with Marcel. Checked this earlier and it was disappointing tbh.
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DahliaRock
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The album costs ?6.66
so mvch kvltz
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 11.05.2015 at 13:31
I prefer their previous album Fin De Siècle by far to this one. Kaiserschnitt gets quite boring due to the fact the band isn't really all over the place any more but are way way way more streamlined and compact than before. Totally not as eclectic as on Fin De Siècle, a shame.
I really don't get what you mean exactly. I'm coming back to that debut now and I hear more black metal in the mix than anything else, there's some variation around that, but it mostly sticks to that core and doesn't shy too far away from it into other territory. Here I would definitely say the doom dominates, but there's more of a variation in tempo, and I can hear more influences other than doom and BM on it as well. Definitely the more eclectic one if you ask me. I mean, listen to that guitar lead in Ich-Zerfall, or that piano-led fifth track. There was nothing like that on the debut, the debut was mostly just tracks like Der Letzte Ton here.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
There is no doom in the latest one, the first one has some doomy parts without being doom, hoewever. This one is primarily black and with less variation than Fin de Siècle.
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 11.05.2015 at 14:46
There is no doom in the latest one, the first one has some doomy parts without being doom, hoewever. This one is primarily black and with less variation than Fin de Siècle.
I humbly disagree
I mean just listen to the title track on this dude, if that's not doom I honestly don't know what is.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Auntie Sahar on 11.05.2015 at 14:47
I mean just listen to the title track on this dude, if that's not doom I honestly don't know what is.
Clearly you don't know what is
It starts off slow, but not as doom. Slow does not equal doom, as you might well know. The riffing over the slow parts later on is clearly black metal.
But be it doom (which it is not ) or be it black (which it primarily is) it is a step down from the more eclectic debut, as mz agrees with me
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 11.05.2015 at 15:55
It starts off slow, but not as doom. Slow does not equal doom, as you might well know. The riffing over the slow parts later on is clearly black metal.
We've had that convo before, and I sure do know it, but the riffing on that track, and a good few others is clearly doom style. Even when that tremolo picking comes in towards the end, there's still that crunchy, doomy playing underneath it, so at the very least I'd say the band are blackened doom. And I've seen them labeled as such in a few other places, so obviously not the only one who's out of their mind.
It's whatever, really. After a certain point all of this gets into such subjective territory dependent on the individual listener that it isn't really worth debating anymore. My position stands: better and more eclectic than the debut, and more doomy as well
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barnesy
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11.05.2015 - 16:23Rating: 7
I quite enjoy this album. I never heard Porta Nigra until I tried out Femme Fatale on bandcamp and was hooked. I still feel like a dumbass next to all y'all when it comes to pinning down genres. I will say this, I can't place this band too well but I like their tunes.
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Written by barnesy on 11.05.2015 at 16:23
I quite enjoy this album. I never heard Porta Nigra until I tried out Femme Fatale on bandcamp and was hooked. I still feel like a dumbass next to all y'all when it comes to pinning down genres. I will say this, I can't place this band too well but I like their tunes.
It's very stylistically ambiguous, like I said, even though I think there's a mix of doom, black metal, and some punk and prog here, the band focus on how each can be incorporated into the other. Like what about doom can you also find in BM? What about BM can you also find in prog? They explore those hidden similarities and build upon them, and that imo is what makes a good genre-bending album.
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I enjoyed this album as well. Definitely feels a bit less metal and polished than their first one. Less heavy, less melodic black metal more industrial and off the wall, but still enjoyable. I detected almost no doom in this album. I don't listen to a lot of doom, maybe it isn't that heavy anymore. Still hints of black metal, especially in the first two tracks and the last one. Overall, good release definitely a step back from the first imo though.
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mz
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Let me just distinguish my position from Marcel's. I liked their previous one way more than this, regardless of how ambitious/ all over the place the two records are.
But I also agree that there is not doom here, hell IMO there was no doom in their debut, too
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Written by mz on 11.05.2015 at 17:33
But I also agree that there is not doom here, hell IMO there was no doom in their debut, too
I don't know what the fuck to call it then. It's NOT just black metal, I personally think labeling the band as such and just leaving it at that would be inaccurate
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Eternity'sChild
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11.05.2015 - 19:28Rating: 8
I bought it on bandcamp thanks to this review. It sounds really nice and understanding the lyrics helps a lot to get the album. Have also listened to their first album, but while I think it's good music, I couldn't get into it as much as here.
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Written by Eternity'sChild on 11.05.2015 at 19:28
I bought it on bandcamp thanks to this review. It sounds really nice and understanding the lyrics helps a lot to get the album. Have also listened to their first album, but while I think it's good music, I couldn't get into it as much as here.
Glad I could help man
Yes, I think the music here is definitely more accessible, but not so much in a "we're trying to please you way," but in more of a "let's make things a little catchier while still keeping them weird" way. The results are excellent.
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11.05.2015 - 20:00Rating: 8
Written by Auntie Sahar on 11.05.2015 at 19:46
Glad I could help man
Yes, I think the music here is definitely more accessible, but not so much in a "we're trying to please you way," but in more of a "let's make things a little catchier while still keeping them weird" way. The results are excellent.
Yeah, I agree. I really like how weird the album is, because it fits the concept so well. The other album just feels like there's something missing - at least for a guy that has started to like more "atypical music" not too long ago, like me. Maybe I just need more experience with this kind of experimental music, so I "learn" to listen to it properly. That's probably the cause for me liking the catchier album a lot more.
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Written by Eternity'sChild on 11.05.2015 at 20:00
I really like how weird the album is, because it fits the concept so well.
You talk about the album concept and understanding the lyrics, so I'd assume you've read them? Care to share what you've discovered about the theme at work here?
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11.05.2015 - 20:33Rating: 8
Written by Auntie Sahar on 11.05.2015 at 20:04
You talk about the album concept and understanding the lyrics, so I'd assume you've read them? Care to share what you've discovered about the theme at work here?
No, I'm from Austria (so German native speaker) and I've researched a bit as well (interviews, overviews of the album), so I would say that I got quite a good idea what it's all about. It's about world war one and stories of various people around that time (e.g. Mata Hari). Some things are quite difficult to explain, since I'm not a native english speaker, but if you look up some song titles (mata hari, femme fatale, mensur) you'll get a rough idea as well. "Kein schönerer Tod" is about dying in battle, "In Stahlgewittern" is about the German Kaiserreich getting bombed (if I understood right).
However I haven't found the lyrics anywhere so far, maybe there are chances that I write down what is decipherable (most of it isn't too difficult), so one can at least throw it through google translate.
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Written by Eternity'sChild on 11.05.2015 at 20:33
No, I'm from Austria (so German native speaker) and I've researched a bit as well (interviews, overviews of the album), so I would say that I got quite a good idea what it's all about. It's about world war one and stories of various people around that time (e.g. Mata Hari). Some things are quite difficult to explain, since I'm not a native english speaker, but if you look up some song titles (mata hari, femme fatale, mensur) you'll get a rough idea as well. "Kein schönerer Tod" is about dying in battle, "In Stahlgewittern" is about the German Kaiserreich getting bombed (if I understood right).
Interesting stuff. I figured the album (or at least parts of it) had something to do with war or battle, because I know "kaiser" means "emperor" in German, or something to that effect
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Nethrakh
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I liked it
7.8/10 IMO
nice record, will buy
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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I don't like band oufit, in prom img, suits and way ugly, but don't judge the beer before you have not tried it well , same goes for cace if you know what I mean,,, god music but I liked old one better, this is good one.
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Written by Bad English on 13.05.2015 at 14:49
I don't like band oufit, in prom img, suits and way ugly, but don't judge the beer before you have not tried it well , same goes for cace if you know what I mean
No, I have no idea what you mean
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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Written by Auntie Sahar on 13.05.2015 at 14:58
Written by Bad English on 13.05.2015 at 14:49
I don't like band oufit, in prom img, suits and way ugly, but don't judge the beer before you have not tried it well , same goes for cace if you know what I mean
No, I have no idea what you mean
don't judge people how they look , don't judge music in the way how looks musicians I hate suits btw ,,, listen music and then judge
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Erik M.
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Glad I can always count on Che's reviews for a Bandcamp link.
Due to your reviews I'm so spoiled I actually hate reviews without Bandcamp links.
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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Written by Erik M. on 16.05.2015 at 17:03
Glad I can always count on Che's reviews for a Bandcamp link.
Due to your reviews I'm so spoiled I actually hate reviews without Bandcamp links.
I honestly don't know why more people don't do it, but whatever, it's their style I guess. I just like providing people with a full stream whenever possible, because I know the first question on peoples' minds after they read a positive review of mine is probably "sounds great, now where can I listen?"
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I am the Magician and the Exorcist. I am the axle of the wheel, and the cube in the circle. “Come unto me” is a foolish word: for it is I that go.
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Erik M.
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Written by Auntie Sahar on 16.05.2015 at 20:02
I honestly don't know why more people don't do it, but whatever, it's their style I guess. I just like providing people with a full stream whenever possible, because I know the first question on peoples' minds after they read a positive review of mine is probably "sounds great, now where can I listen?"
Totally agreed.
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Written by Erik M. on 22.05.2015 at 21:24
Written by Auntie Sahar on 16.05.2015 at 20:02
I honestly don't know why more people don't do it, but whatever, it's their style I guess. I just like providing people with a full stream whenever possible, because I know the first question on peoples' minds after they read a positive review of mine is probably "sounds great, now where can I listen?"
Totally agreed.
My style is based on amnesia. I always forget to add the sucker and I'm tired of bugging the staffers to edit my review and add a link. xD
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Erik M.
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Written by X-Ray Rod on 23.05.2015 at 01:20
My style is based on amnesia. I always forget to add the sucker and I'm tired of bugging the staffers to edit my review and add a link. xD
That's a bad style, then.
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