RaduP CertifiedHipster StaffPosts: 9027 |
14.09.2020 - 14:46Rating: 7
RaduPCertifiedHipsterStaffPosts: 9027
Was expecting the review itself to be more negative considering the score. This is indeed far from the best out there, but it's a bit more deserving of a higher score.
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nikarg StaffPosts: 7345 |
Written by RaduP on 14.09.2020 at 14:46
Was expecting the review itself to be more negative considering the score. This is indeed far from the best out there, but it's a bit more deserving of a higher score.
It's an album of nothing more than great solos that I am never going to listen to again. I believe that 5 is the best I could give it. It is not average to get a 6; it is simply not good (in my opinion, of course).
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BCI
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If a well produced album "with remarkable lead guitar work" (your words, not mine) deserves a 5, it only makes you come across as butthurt. Which is weird in many, many ways.
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nikarg StaffPosts: 7345 |
Written by BCI on 25.10.2021 at 07:11
If a well produced album "with remarkable lead guitar work" (your words, not mine) deserves a 5, it only makes you come across as butthurt. Which is weird in many, many ways.
Butthurt?
I have written many, many more words than the ones you singled out to warrant the final score. Unless you have a difficulty in reading comprehension, it should be clear to you.
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BCI
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Written by nikarg on 25.10.2021 at 10:19
Butthurt?
I have written many, many more words than the ones you singled out to warrant the final score. Unless you have a difficulty in reading comprehension, it should be clear to you.
So straight to the insults huh? You are right and who ever disagrees with you has reading difficulties?
If this isn't proof that you come across as butthurt, then I don't know what to tell you pal. Keep reading and hopefully you'll get there. I don't like "joking" about reading difficulties, so best of luck to you.
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Written by BCI on 25.10.2021 at 07:11
If a well produced album "with remarkable lead guitar work" (your words, not mine) deserves a 5, it only makes you come across as butthurt. Which is weird in many, many ways.
5/10 is as middle of the road as you can get, so there are bound to be some positives, as well as some negatives. Good lead guitar work doesn’t automatically make an album good or great overall, so I really don’t see how it makes the reviewer “butthurt” when he points out some positive aspects on a 5/10 review.
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musclassia StaffPosts: 7621 |
Written by BCI on 25.10.2021 at 14:44
Written by nikarg on 25.10.2021 at 10:19
Butthurt?
I have written many, many more words than the ones you singled out to warrant the final score. Unless you have a difficulty in reading comprehension, it should be clear to you.
So straight to the insults huh? You are right and who ever disagrees with you has reading difficulties?
If this isn't proof that you come across as butthurt, then I don't know what to tell you pal. Keep reading and hopefully you'll get there. I don't like "joking" about reading difficulties, so best of luck to you.
The definition of butthurt is to be 'overly or unjustifiably offended or resentful'. I fail to see anywhere in the review where Nik was offended or resentful, or why he would have been. The review doesn't indicate any existing history, positive of negative, that Nik has with Valkyrie, nor am I aware of any, but he says fairly explicitly that the solos are exquisite, but that outside of them the songs feel directionless 'often without clear intent', and that the vocals are 'very unimpressive and a dealbreaker', both of which would be valid reasons to consider an album below average, even with very enjoyable solos.
You're the person in this exchange that led with a manner that could be considered insulting by saying that he sounds butthurt. You feeling the need to make the initial comment to insinuate that he was butthurt, and describing his actions as 'weird in many, many ways', and then responding with 'straight to the insults?' when the response to your less-than-friendly comment was less than friendly, is the closest anything in this review or comment thread is to anything that could be described as 'butthurt'.
But then, claiming 'straight to the insults' from some kind of position of superiority is a bit rich coming from someone with this interaction in their recent history:
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I was never the biggest IM fan but I always gave them A for effort. This though is shaping up to be another yawnfest... 😪😴
I don't really get why people comment on and judge the work of bands they don't like in the first place. Does it make you feel superior?
The reason is, it's none of your fucking business, fanboy. I comment because I feel like commenting. If you don't like what you read then move on, sunshine...
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BCI
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You guys are really bad at taking criticism. You should have a look at that. This isn't the first time it's been pointed out and not just by me but you are refusing to listen and always want to have to the last word.
And as for the creepy example above I was challenged as to why I commented on something I wasn't a fan of. I take offense to that and my response was warranted.
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musclassia StaffPosts: 7621 |
Written by BCI on 25.10.2021 at 16:50
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You guys are really bad at taking criticism. You should have a look at that. This isn't the first time it's been pointed out and not just by me but you are refusing to listen and always want to have to the last word.
And as for the creepy example above I was challenged as to why I commented on something I wasn't a fan of. I take offense to that and my response was warranted.
I mean, if you're trying to provide constructive criticism to someone in a good-intentioned manner, this isn't the way to go about it:
Written by BCI on 25.10.2021 at 07:11
If a well produced album "with remarkable lead guitar work" (your words, not mine) deserves a 5, it only makes you come across as butthurt. Which is weird in many, many ways.
'butthurt' is a slang term that most people would agree to be rude to throw at a stranger; wiktionary goes so far as to describe it as 'derogatory'. It's not an insult, but it's not the actions of someone operating with good intentions, particularly when it's followed up with 'which is weird in many, many ways', so it's unsurprising that someone might challenge it rather than just accept it with friendship and grace, particularly if a) it's not actually an accurate claim, as there is nothing in the original review that indicates being offended or hurt by the album and actions of the band, and b) the same point (positive words about the guitar work vs. low score of the album) was already addressed in the review thread by the review author in response to a very similar, but less inflammatorily phrased, comment. We may be bad at taking criticism, butyou're not great at giving it.
None of us who review for the site are infallible in accepting all comments that disagree with our reviews as absolute truths that we completely accept and agree with; however, as much as people who comment on reviews are entitled to voice their opinions with a review and objections to statements, we are entitled to debate those opinions, or to challenge those comments if we consider them to be unfounded or unreasonable, and we're not obligated to respond with politeness to those who are not acting in good faith. You've just said in your response that you were offended by someone asking you why you would comment on an album from a band you don't like, and that you were therefore warranted in acting in a manner that most people would consider to be rude and patronising, which is a reaction that's if anything closer to the definition of 'butthurt' than anything else currently on this page. If that's fine behaviour in your opinion, why is anyone obligated to act any more pleasantly to you in response to you talking rudely to them?
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Written by musclassia on 25.10.2021 at 17:38
'butthurt' is a slang term that most people would agree to be rude to throw at a stranger; wiktionary goes so far as to describe it as 'derogatory'. It's not an insult, but it's not the actions of someone operating with good intentions, particularly when it's followed up with 'which is weird in many, many ways', so it's unsurprising that someone might challenge it rather than just accept it with friendship and grace, particularly if a) it's not actually an accurate claim, as there is nothing in the original review that indicates being offended or hurt by the album and actions of the band, and b) the same point (positive words about the guitar work vs. low score of the album) was already addressed in the review thread by the review author in response to a very similar, but less inflammatorily phrased, comment. We may be bad at taking criticism, butyou're not great at giving it.
None of us who review for the site are infallible in accepting all comments that disagree with our reviews as absolute truths that we completely accept and agree with; however, as much as people who comment on reviews are entitled to voice their opinions with a review and objections to statements, we are entitled to debate those opinions, or to challenge those comments if we consider them to be unfounded or unreasonable, and we're not obligated to respond with politeness to those who are not acting in good faith. You've just said in your response that you were offended by someone asking you why you would comment on an album from a band you don't like, and that you were therefore warranted in acting in a manner that most people would consider to be rude and patronising, which is a reaction that's if anything closer to the definition of 'butthurt' than anything else currently on this page. If that's fine behaviour in your opinion, why is anyone obligated to act any more pleasantly to you in response to you talking rudely to them?
MS staff may be bad at taking criticism at times (though I dont agree) but they are clearly excellent at phrasing their arguments.
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nikarg StaffPosts: 7345 |
Written by BCI on 25.10.2021 at 14:44
So straight to the insults huh? You are right and who ever disagrees with you has reading difficulties?
If this isn't proof that you come across as butthurt, then I don't know what to tell you pal. Keep reading and hopefully you'll get there. I don't like "joking" about reading difficulties, so best of luck to you.
It was not an insult because I was not joking.
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BCI
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Written by nikarg on 26.10.2021 at 08:35
Written by BCI on 25.10.2021 at 14:44
So straight to the insults huh? You are right and who ever disagrees with you has reading difficulties?
If this isn't proof that you come across as butthurt, then I don't know what to tell you pal. Keep reading and hopefully you'll get there. I don't like "joking" about reading difficulties, so best of luck to you.
It was not an insult because I was not joking.
Written by musclassia on 25.10.2021 at 17:38
I mean, if you're trying to provide constructive criticism to someone in a good-intentioned manner, this isn't the way to go about it:
Check out nikarg's last comment if you wanna talk about constructive criticism. I tried telling you about it but he (once again) proved my point for me. And all that from a mod. But you guys find it fair to gang up on visitors instead.
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nikarg StaffPosts: 7345 |
Written by BCI on 27.10.2021 at 07:04
Check out nikarg's last comment if you wanna talk about constructive criticism. I tried telling you about it but he (once again) proved my point for me. And all that from a mod. But you guys find it fair to gang up on visitors instead.
Your idea of "constructive criticism" was to just say that I come across as "butthurt" because you didn't like a score in a review.
You "tried telling" musclassia by replying with a sleep emoji to him, even though he was trying to have a discussion with you by presenting valid arguments. Yet you want the mod, or anyone else for that matter, to take you seriously.
Let's get some perspective here. You are the one who insulted me with no reason whatsoever (not that I mind in the slightest). I insist that I did not insult you and you have actually been proving my point all along. The fact that I am a mod does not mean that I have the time or the appetite to deal with someone who clearly doesn't understand or doesn't want to understand. You are the one who started it all yet you say that we are all ganging up on you - the "innocent visitor" who did nothing wrong. You keep projecting your own disrespectful behavior to others, by being passive/aggressive and by pointing a finger that you should be pointing at yourself. I get it, you want to be the victim. You're not the first one and you won't be the last. I have come to accept this.
You be you, mate. I've already spent much more time with this than I want or care to. And believe me when I say that I personally don't want to have the last word. To me, this is nothing more than a waste of my time. If I were a visitor like you, I wouldn't bother at all; I know better than to have an argument with a stranger on the internet. But sadly, you bring me to a position where I have to explain myself, as a mod, so that people reading your accusations do get both sides of the story.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
30.10.2021 - 10:22Rating: 7
I love that a year-old review of a Valkyrie album somehow managed to stir up drama in the comments.
On a related (to the publication) note: I feel the same about this album as you. There are some engaging moments and overall it isn't terrible, but it just fails to leave its mark. Peter had an innate chemistry with Baizley that he ironically lacks with his own flesh and blood.
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