@gent_-_orange
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25.03.2011 - 01:59Rating: 9
Great review man.... i think the rating should have been higher though... around the 8.5 mark. IMO this is not the best from morbid angel... That honour belongs to either Blessed are the sick or Covenant.
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Ænigma
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Written by @gent_-_orange on 25.03.2011 at 01:59
i think the rating should have been higher though... around the 8.5 mark. IMO this is not the best from morbid angel... That honour belongs to either Blessed are the sick or Covenant.
Well to me 7.9 is still a pretty good score, just not an amazing one if you know what I mean. And YES! I agree Covenant and Blessed are my two favs, and I'm also a big fan of Gateways to Annihilation \m/
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@gent_-_orange
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25.03.2011 - 02:18Rating: 9
Written by Ænigma on 25.03.2011 at 02:10
Written by @gent_-_orange on 25.03.2011 at 01:59
i think the rating should have been higher though... around the 8.5 mark. IMO this is not the best from morbid angel... That honour belongs to either Blessed are the sick or Covenant.
Well to me 7.9 is still a pretty good score, just not an amazing one if you know what I mean. And YES! I agree Covenant and Blessed are my two favs, and I'm also a big fan of Gateways to Annihilation \m/
I guess i am sort of blinded by Nostalgia, This was the album that got me into death metal after all, you explained your points well so im not sour about the rating . Also Gateways is a killer record, Gateways and Formulas are IMO their most underrated albums, I Consider them at least on par with Altars and Domination.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
A 7.9 based on the fact you don't think this holds up to the standards of modern day death metal? I seriously can't get on board with the Hour of Penances and the Demiurgs and the Hail of Bullets' of today putting to shame Mordbid Angel by virtue of sounding..."newer".
As for the production being a 6 - I'd definitely have to disagree with that as well. I think the original recording (I've got the physical copy of a re-release, but a digital version of the original release) benefits amazingly from the incredibly dank production.
Everything sounds totally fuzzed out and evil - the way death metal should sound, and in most cases these days, simply doesn't.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 25.03.2011 at 03:25
A 7.9 based on the fact you don't think this holds up to the standards of modern day death metal? I seriously can't get on board with the Hour of Penances and the Demiurgs and the Hail of Bullets' of today putting to shame Mordbid Angel by virtue of sounding..."newer".
As for the production being a 6 - I'd definitely have to disagree with that as well. I think the original recording (I've got the physical copy of a re-release, but a digital version of the original release) benefits amazingly from the incredibly dank production.
Everything sounds totally fuzzed out and evil - the way death metal should sound, and in most cases these days, simply doesn't.
Completely agree with this comment.
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Mad Mike
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25.03.2011 - 06:22Rating: 10
Written by [user id=100467] on 25.03.2011 at 04:15
Written by Troy Killjoy on 25.03.2011 at 03:25
A 7.9 based on the fact you don't think this holds up to the standards of modern day death metal? I seriously can't get on board with the Hour of Penances and the Demiurgs and the Hail of Bullets' of today putting to shame Mordbid Angel by virtue of sounding..."newer".
As for the production being a 6 - I'd definitely have to disagree with that as well. I think the original recording (I've got the physical copy of a re-release, but a digital version of the original release) benefits amazingly from the incredibly dank production.
Everything sounds totally fuzzed out and evil - the way death metal should sound, and in most cases these days, simply doesn't.
Completely agree with this comment.
Completely agree with both of you.
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Deadmeat Necrobutcher
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25.03.2011 - 11:48Rating: 10
How can one of the first DM albums have originality-8?
how can morbid angel have performance-9?
about the songwriting i can accept it, you may not love all the songs. but this album is awesome and have awesome songs to give them a 7.
the production i feel that is about 8 and not 6. but if you compare it with todays music you may think it is only a 6.
but mate when you write a review you MUST have in mind MAINLY the past of the album and the band that you are talking about and not the future. you wouldnt say these words back then, if you listened to this album when it came out.
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Written by Deadmeat on 25.03.2011 at 11:48
the production i feel that is about 8 and not 6. but if you compare it with todays music you may think it is only a 6.
I would say comparing it to today's production on most death metal albums this would rate a 10 in my books and the modern ones a 7. Here the production adds to the evilness whereas most of the time nowadays it's too clean and stale and lacking all bite.
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Deadmeat Necrobutcher
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25.03.2011 - 12:05Rating: 10
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 25.03.2011 at 11:50
Written by Deadmeat on 25.03.2011 at 11:48
the production i feel that is about 8 and not 6. but if you compare it with todays music you may think it is only a 6.
I would say comparing it to today's production on most death metal albums this would rate a 10 in my books and the modern ones a 7. Here the production adds to the evilness whereas most of the time nowadays it's too clean and stale and lacking all bite.
yeah ok. on the other hand covenat has a much cleaner production but isn't it evil and violent too? if you get me...
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Deadmeat on 25.03.2011 at 12:05
yeah ok. on the other hand covenat has a much cleaner production but isn't it evil and violent too? if you get me...
I don't find that one evil at all, and still find it not a good album. The best two by far are still Altars and Blessed for me. Covenant sounds too slick imo
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Deadmeat Necrobutcher
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25.03.2011 - 12:26Rating: 10
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 25.03.2011 at 12:11
Written by Deadmeat on 25.03.2011 at 12:05
yeah ok. on the other hand covenat has a much cleaner production but isn't it evil and violent too? if you get me...
I don't find that one evil at all, and still find it not a good album. The best two by far are still Altars and Blessed for me. Covenant sounds too slick imo
it may not be that evil-comparing it with with the first one only- but the production surely helps it in a good way. also i cannot see the fact how blessed is better than covenant.... many people say it but covenant is closer to the violent and paranoid MA of altars of madness and that's the way i love this band sound!
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Written by Deadmeat on 25.03.2011 at 12:26
it may not be that evil-comparing it with with the first one only- but the production surely helps it in a good way. also i cannot see the fact how blessed is better than covenant.... many people say it but covenant is closer to the violent and paranoid MA of altars of madness and that's the way i love this band sound!
Blessed has way more atmosphere to it than Covenant and Covenant just wants to be violent and actually fails at that imo, like so many bands fail at being violent when they try too hard to. Just like brutal dm bands who although at cursory glance they sound brutal actually fail in every aspect
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Deadmeat Necrobutcher
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25.03.2011 - 13:27Rating: 10
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 25.03.2011 at 12:36
Written by Deadmeat on 25.03.2011 at 12:26
it may not be that evil-comparing it with with the first one only- but the production surely helps it in a good way. also i cannot see the fact how blessed is better than covenant.... many people say it but covenant is closer to the violent and paranoid MA of altars of madness and that's the way i love this band sound!
Blessed has way more atmosphere to it than Covenant and Covenant just wants to be violent and actually fails at that imo, like so many bands fail at being violent when they try too hard to. Just like brutal dm bands who although at cursory glance they sound brutal actually fail in every aspect
nah. imo covenat has it all. brutality, extremity, violence etc. i think it approaches the term "the perfect dm album".
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25.03.2011 - 18:47Rating: 10
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 25.03.2011 at 11:50
Written by Deadmeat on 25.03.2011 at 11:48
the production i feel that is about 8 and not 6. but if you compare it with todays music you may think it is only a 6.
I would say comparing it to today's production on most death metal albums this would rate a 10 in my books and the modern ones a 7. Here the production adds to the evilness whereas most of the time nowadays it's too clean and stale and lacking all bite.
The production on this album fits MA 's style perfectly so it's a 10 for me too! This album is pure genius and should never be rated under 9 in my book. I mean it's a masterpiece of Death Metal. I think the reviewer forgot that without it Modern Death Metal wouldn't be what it is today, so it's kind of sillty to say it is pale in comparison to modern Death Metal albums...
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Ænigma
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Written by Winterthrone on 25.03.2011 at 18:47
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 25.03.2011 at 11:50
Written by Deadmeat on 25.03.2011 at 11:48
the production i feel that is about 8 and not 6. but if you compare it with todays music you may think it is only a 6.
I would say comparing it to today's production on most death metal albums this would rate a 10 in my books and the modern ones a 7. Here the production adds to the evilness whereas most of the time nowadays it's too clean and stale and lacking all bite.
The production on this album fits MA 's style perfectly so it's a 10 for me too! This album is pure genius and should never be rated under 9 in my book. I mean it's a masterpiece of Death Metal. I think the reviewer forgot that without it Modern Death Metal wouldn't be what it is today, so it's kind of sillty to say it is pale in comparison to modern Death Metal albums...
I realize it is a classic and has been highly influential but I am reviewing it as though a metal fan were to listen to it for the first time. It's definitely good, just not amazing to me. Also, I love the way Morbid Angel utilized the low production to make a more evil sound, but that still doesn't mean the production is of an 8, 9 or 10 calibur.
Then again, it's all a matter of taste. I personally like Covenant the best. I loved every second of that disc.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
Written by Ænigma on 27.03.2011 at 01:38
I realize it is a classic and has been highly influential but I am reviewing it as though a metal fan were to listen to it for the first time.
I'm hoping a (death) metal fan listening to this for the first time would find it better than a 7.9.
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I'll disagree with you saying this doesn't hold up well. I'm 16, and this is one of my favorite death metal albums. Maybe you were implying that it doesn't hold up well after years of listening? Because as a young metalhead, I find this album to be fantastic. Pure death metal that remembers it's thrash origins, and takes full advantage of them.
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Deadmeat Necrobutcher
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27.03.2011 - 13:59Rating: 10
Written by [user id=111774] on 27.03.2011 at 08:57
I'll disagree with you saying this doesn't hold up well. I'm 16, and this is one of my favorite death metal albums. Maybe you were implying that it doesn't hold up well after years of listening? Because as a young metalhead, I find this album to be fantastic. Pure death metal that remembers it's thrash origins, and takes full advantage of them.
this album is a milestone and as a young metalhead you should love it not only for now but for the rest of your life!
it's awesome, it's one of the starters and one of the best. i am sure that by time you'll probably like it more than now (after you realize how shitty are many bands comparing them to morbid angel)....
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28.03.2011 - 15:23Rating: 10
This is absolutely the best album of Morbid Angel and a classic album for the genre. The sound is completely original, Morbid Angel studied well the Thrash metal sound of the era and took its basic principles one step beyond and at the same time they avoided being a bad clone of Possessed and Death that already had explored this field. The review is good but the rating is not according to my opinion. Originality should be definitely higher as for the production i don't think that we should expect something different, it fits perfectly to the morbidity and the aggressiveness of the music. This album is not as technical and mature as Blessed are the sick but it has all of the fury that has to characterize a genuine death metal release.
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Ænigma
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It was my first Morbid Angel album (except for a couple songs from Formulas & Gateways), and yet I was much more blown away by later albums. It's all a matter of opinion, and clearly the most popular opinion surronding this album is that it's a classic and one of the best death metal albums of all-time. I know it's a classic, as well as a very nostalgic album, but while evaluating the music I just don't like it as much as Blessed, Covenant, Domination, or Gateways.
Also I don't just hand out 10's or 9.5's to things I like.. I rate things very hard and that's probably why everyone thinks 7.9 means the album is subpar. No, I think it was innovative and all but the music doesn't hit me hard enough to make it an 8-9 for me.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
I think we all understand 7.9 is .01 points away from being "great" by Metal Storm standards. The problem isn't your score in my opinion, it's your scoring process (calling this out for its production (when the production is one of the best in all DM albums), doesn't stand the test of time (meanwhile bands nowadays are striving to reproduce this same sound because that's what the fans want), etc. etc. etc.
At the end of the day, it's your review, your score, your logic. But it conflicts with a lot of opinions, and you're going to get a largely negative response because of it, especially with it being a classic album/band.
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@gent_-_orange
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08.02.2012 - 18:15Rating: 9
Written by @gent_-_orange on 25.03.2011 at 01:59
Great review man.... i think the rating should have been higher though... around the 8.5 mark. IMO this is not the best from morbid angel... That honour belongs to either Blessed are the sick or Covenant.
Shit what the hell was I thinking?, This album is an absolute classic in every sense, and this album is on par (or maybe a little lower) than Blessed.
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