I would love to pay them at any rate but this is absolute gold: "Instead of just asking for money from fans, like other bands have done recently"

Yep, I guess everybody is thinking about the same example

Written by 3rdWorld on 18.04.2017 at 21:47

I would love to pay them at any rate but this is absolute gold: "Instead of just asking for money from fans, like other bands have done recently"

I hate that line, that's absolute bullshit. So bands asking for money from fans is a bad thing? I mean as a fan of the music it's really the least you could do if struggling musicians really need it for something very important. And sometimes what they need the money for is seriously no joke, at all. For example, if there hadn't been that crowdfunding campaign recently for Eyehategod, for Mike Williams to get a new liver, he could possibly be dead right now. That line is edgy, provocative idiocy, I'm about to remove it from this piece honestly

Seemed more like poking fun at Wintersun. I don't see it as that provocative. That was my interpretation anyway.

Either way, I think we can do without the subjective commentary, that's not news. This is MS, not yellow journalism media like CNN

Written by Auntie Sahar on 20.04.2017 at 17:16

I hate that line, that's absolute bullshit. So bands asking for money from fans is a bad thing?

Everything is wrong if you are Wintersun.

Written by 3rdWorld on 20.04.2017 at 20:36

Everything is wrong if you are Wintersun.

I can't argue with that
Still though, I apologize and call me Mr. Hardass if you will, but there's no need for shots fired like that in what is supposed to be an objective news report.

Written by Auntie Sahar on 20.04.2017 at 17:16

I hate that line, that's absolute bullshit. So bands asking for money from fans is a bad thing? I mean as a fan of the music it's really the least you could do if struggling musicians really need it for something very important. And sometimes what they need the money for is seriously no joke, at all. For example, if there hadn't been that crowdfunding campaign recently for Eyehategod, for Mike Williams to get a new liver, he could possibly be dead right now. That line is edgy, provocative idiocy, I'm about to remove it from this piece honestly

Ok, even though the piece was checked by staff before it was posted, the responsibility is entirely mine and for this I feel I have to explain myself and defend the words I used. The truth is that I just thought it was funny and did not mean to provoke or demean any person or any band. Of course I had Wintersun in mind, but if I claimed it had nothing to do with Wintersun no one would be able to prove otherwise, since their name is not mentioned anywhere. My exact words were "Instead of just asking for money from fans, like other bands have done recently" and you are asking if bands asking for money from fans is a bad thing. Well, this is entirely your interpretation of what I wrote. It could easily mean that some bands ask money from fans, while others put out music and ask from fans to buy their music. For what it's worth, while almost everyone was ripping on Wintersun, I didn't make a single comment here, mainly because I don't care about the band. The fact that I respect crowdfunding campaigns for Mike Williams's liver or Steve Grimmett's amputated leg goes without saying, but this is not the point. You think the line was "edgy, provocative idiocy", "absolute bullshit", "yellow journalism" and not worthy of MS and I think that these characterisations for a sentence that does not offend anyone, since no one is mentioned by name, are very harsh. I am no journalist and I thought it was okay to put a little spice in the news piece. Apparently it's not okay, so I will do my best to be a lot more careful in the future with the news I am submitting. Finally, to avoid misunderstandings, I just want to say that I respect your point, since you are not characterising me as a person (and I hope I understand this correctly), but one particular sentence I wrote, however the words you are using come across as extremely offensive. You could have deleted the line, like you did, and pm'd me explaining your point. The public outburst was unnecessary.

Written by nikarg on 21.04.2017 at 20:14

Explanation

Fair points. See my PM to you as a further reply as now it's probably best to not continue this here

Back to topic: The band is back on the road as they state here.