http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKuq9_wsvdY
Here's a new video I made for the sole purpose of pissing a lot people off, with complete disregard for anyone elses opinion and taste in music. Pretty much pointing out all the trendy people and bands that i hate, who are popular in metal culture right now. Discuss? Angry Responses? Agreements? Corrections? Anyone?

And you want to piss us cuz..?.

Theres a difference between dressing cool and stage presence, as much as Avenged sucks there was nothing really all atrocious about the stage presence.The drumming part sounds like rocks going through a wood chipper because your example of bad drumming had poor sound quality while your good example was. Can't say it pissed me off, just kind of made me curious why someone would spend time doing this when they could just write a list of bands they don't like. Sorry, I fail to see the point.

I liked the general concept, and the transitions were done quite well. The structure of the presentation had a nice, professional quality about it that I enjoyed. Regrettably, your choice of content was totally lost on me. I suppose there's a fine line between what you perceive to be cool and what you hate. The bands all sounded pretty much the same to my ears, and I thought they all sucked (except for Behemoth at the very beginning, and the guitar technique stuff).

Am I pissed off? Hardly. But I do get the impression that your exposure to metal is very limited, and probably lacking in some respects. Instead of trying to piss people off, why not work on expanding your own metal horizons? I recommend developing a broad-based appreciation for a multitude of metal sub-genres. Face it, right now you're very focused on Black/Death/Thrash. That stuff is just a microcosm of the vast metal universe.

Also, I'm not sure why you take issue with what is popular. In the metal world - where there is little to no hype or advertising - music usually gets popular because it is genuinely good. You might be missing out.

So... Discuss? Angry Responses? Agreements? Corrections?

Pointing out posers is very poserish.

That video must've taken a while to make, too bad it's all completely pointless. Typical.

So, you're just poiting out what you don't like. Making fun of it...

Whats the joy in that?

1. Stage presence has nothing to do with what clothes you're wearing. Plus, I've seen Behemoth live, I've seen Seth, Nergal, and Orion all stand next to each other and play.
2. Basing "incorrect" sweeps off of two different videos by two very talented guitarists isn't an explanation of anything.
3. Population size were completely different in both videos, not to mention people physically enjoy music in different ways, and some actions just don't fit certain types of music.
4. Randy Blythe vs. Pig Squeals? Point in case? It's a type of music.
5. Derek Roddy is king of blasts, but also of monotonous drumming. Not to mention what Dr. Rock said about the quality.
6. Two different styles, each utilizing different technical proficiency.
7. Both breakdowns sucked. Ha!

So basically, it's all based on opinion, and this is yours. More power to you. To each their own. But hey, it kept me busy for ten minutes.

Written by [user id=22888] on 31.03.2008 at 10:17

music usually gets popular because it is genuinely good.

I actually disagree with that statement, I mean, I could name like, a bagillion shitty bands that are popular. And I don't say this out of mere spite for the mainstream media, I say this as a factual statement.

But as far as the opening post goes, well, I think that yes, you are being just a bit closed minded. As Harmonic has said, metal is a vast universe, with many, many subgenres. It is without a doubt the most diverseified genre of music that the world has ever offered, and yet we are still able to proudly keep our underground status. Even certain mainstream metal bands, hell, MANY mainstream metal bands, are worthwhile. I mean, look at Maiden, Priest, MegaDeth, Metallica, Children of Bodom etc. all of them might be pretty well known, but they all have made some kick ass offerings with their music. And hey, Dragonforce might be over the top and boring at times, but they're still very talented, and Herman Li's sweeping isn't bad at all imo.

Written by Arian Totalis on 31.03.2008 at 19:31

Written by [user id=22888] on 31.03.2008 at 10:17

music usually gets popular because it is genuinely good.

I actually disagree with that statement, I mean, I could name like, a bagillion shitty bands that are popular. And I don't say this out of mere spite for the mainstream media, I say this as a factual statement.

You have changed the meaning of my statement by dropping half of my sentence. The FULL unaltered statement was: "In the metal world - where there is little to no hype or advertising - music usually gets popular because it is genuinely good."

The news media does this all the time, and it's really irritating. C'mon Arian, you can do better than that! :

Written by [user id=22888] on 31.03.2008 at 20:19

Written by Arian Totalis on 31.03.2008 at 19:31

Written by [user id=22888] on 31.03.2008 at 10:17

music usually gets popular because it is genuinely good.

I actually disagree with that statement, I mean, I could name like, a bagillion shitty bands that are popular. And I don't say this out of mere spite for the mainstream media, I say this as a factual statement.

You have changed the meaning of my statement by dropping half of my sentence. The FULL unaltered statement was: "In the metal world - where there is little to no hype or advertising - music usually gets popular because it is genuinely good."

The news media does this all the time, and it's really irritating. C'mon Arian, you can do better than that! :

That statement can still be picked apart by people who want to. Numerous bands that some people (me, what?) poor get popular. However, "good" is a highly subjective word, especially when applied to music.

Written by Clintagräm on 31.03.2008 at 20:23

Written by [user id=22888] on 31.03.2008 at 20:19

Written by Arian Totalis on 31.03.2008 at 19:31

Written by [user id=22888] on 31.03.2008 at 10:17

music usually gets popular because it is genuinely good.

I actually disagree with that statement, I mean, I could name like, a bagillion shitty bands that are popular. And I don't say this out of mere spite for the mainstream media, I say this as a factual statement.

You have changed the meaning of my statement by dropping half of my sentence. The FULL unaltered statement was: "In the metal world - where there is little to no hype or advertising - music usually gets popular because it is genuinely good."

The news media does this all the time, and it's really irritating. C'mon Arian, you can do better than that! :

That statement can still be picked apart by people who want to. Numerous bands that some people (me, what?) poor get popular. However, "good" is a highly subjective word, especially when applied to music.

Of course it can. But I would rather see someone pick apart the statement I actually made instead of some fragment of it that does not carry the full intended meaning. Just a pet peeve of mine, I suppose...

Written by [user id=22888] on 31.03.2008 at 20:25

Of course it can. But I would rather see someone pick apart the statement I actually made instead of some fragment of it that does not carry the full intended meaning. Just a pet peeve of mine, I suppose...

I understand. The media sucks. Unfortunately without it's biased opinion we would get very little "information" from the outside world.

By the way, on the topic of this thread, I think one could make a much better case of "True" Metal with actual Traditional Metal. I just finished listening to Witchkiller's 1984 release 'Day of the Saxon' and it slays!

Written by Clintagräm on 31.03.2008 at 20:29

Written by [user id=22888] on 31.03.2008 at 20:25

Of course it can. But I would rather see someone pick apart the statement I actually made instead of some fragment of it that does not carry the full intended meaning. Just a pet peeve of mine, I suppose...

I understand. The media sucks. Unfortunately without it's biased opinion we would get very little "information" from the outside world.

...

The media must of necessity assess and condense vast quantities of information, and that is no easy task. The challenge is not insurmountable, however. It is possible to separate the wheat from the chaff, and to summarize while minimizing bias and opinion. But today's media - particularly the print media - go to great lengths to pass off opinion as fact, to misquote and misconstrue, and to generally befuddle and misinform. (Having worked in government for a year, I am well aware of the schism that exists between what is printed in the Saturday morning paper, and what actually happened on Friday.) Reliability has been transformed into tabloid. Sensationalism trumps honesty. The great tragedy is that the common person still believes the media to be transparent to the truth. Real investigative reporting is sadly a dead art.

But now to get back on topic...

Written by Fhuesc on 31.03.2008 at 08:55

And you want to piss us cuz..?.

Written by Doc G. on 31.03.2008 at 09:29

Sorry, I fail to see the point.

Written by [user id=22888] on 31.03.2008 at 10:17

Regrettably, your choice of content was totally lost on me.

Written by Sunioj on 31.03.2008 at 17:58

That video must've taken a while to make, too bad it's all completely pointless. Typical.

Written by BloodTears on 31.03.2008 at 18:44

So, you're just poiting out what you don't like. Making fun of it...

Whats the joy in that?

Speaking of trends, I think I see one forming.

True enough, but that doesn't change the truth about the video man.

Didn't watch the video, sounds lame. Judging by the OP's favourite bands, I assume it's mainly of the "fuck that shitty music, check out this slightly less shitty music I just discovered last month!" variety.

Written by [user id=22888] on 31.03.2008 at 10:17
In the metal world - where there is little to no hype or advertising - music usually gets popular because it is genuinely good.

LOL Metal usually gets popular because it is simple, inoffensive, unchallenging, technically impressive, gimmicky and/or accessible. And of course being hyped and advertised helps a lot. I don't know what metal world you've been hanging out in.

Written by totaliteraliter on 02.04.2008 at 06:25

Didn't watch the video, sounds lame. Judging by the OP's favourite bands, I assume it's mainly of the "fuck that shitty music, check out this slightly less shitty music I just discovered last month!" variety.

Written by [user id=22888] on 31.03.2008 at 10:17
In the metal world - where there is little to no hype or advertising - music usually gets popular because it is genuinely good.

LOL Metal usually gets popular because it is simple, inoffensive, unchallenging, technically impressive, gimmicky and/or accessible. And of course being hyped and advertised helps a lot. I don't know what metal world you've been hanging out in.

In the Metal world he said. Not the masses.

Written by Clintagräm on 02.04.2008 at 06:59

Written by totaliteraliter on 02.04.2008 at 06:25

LOL Metal usually gets popular because it is simple, inoffensive, unchallenging, technically impressive, gimmicky and/or accessible. And of course being hyped and advertised helps a lot. I don't know what metal world you've been hanging out in.

In the Metal world he said. Not the masses.

So did I.

Written by totaliteraliter on 02.04.2008 at 07:11

Written by Clintagräm on 02.04.2008 at 06:59

Written by totaliteraliter on 02.04.2008 at 06:25

LOL Metal usually gets popular because it is simple, inoffensive, unchallenging, technically impressive, gimmicky and/or accessible. And of course being hyped and advertised helps a lot. I don't know what metal world you've been hanging out in.

In the Metal world he said. Not the masses.

So did I.

Well, Death seems to be popular in the Metal world and they don't fit your description well. (And I don't even like them that much, ha!)

Written by Arian Totalis on 02.04.2008 at 04:57

True enough, but that doesn't change the truth about the video man.

If your talking about my comment on a trend forming, I meant in this sense:

the general course or prevailing tendency
to have a general tendency, as events, conditions, etc.
to tend to take a particular direction; extend in some direction indicated.
A general tendency or inclination.

Not in the style sense. Just saying the reaction to this video is pretty much unanimous; pointless.

Written by Clintagräm on 02.04.2008 at 07:16

Written by totaliteraliter on 02.04.2008 at 07:11
So did I.

Well, Death seems to be popular in the Metal world and they don't fit your description well. (And I don't even like them that much, ha!)

They are certainly inoffensive, unchallenging, technically impressive and accessible. Simple in a sense. Gimmicky in that he died young during his "prime", but in his defense he may not have planned it that way. Relatively well advertised also, you used to see him in Guitar Magazine (or was it Guitar World?).

Written by totaliteraliter on 02.04.2008 at 07:26

Written by Clintagräm on 02.04.2008 at 07:16

Written by totaliteraliter on 02.04.2008 at 07:11
So did I.

Well, Death seems to be popular in the Metal world and they don't fit your description well. (And I don't even like them that much, ha!)

They are certainly inoffensive, unchallenging, technically impressive and accessible. Simple in a sense. Gimmicky in that he died young during his "prime", but in his defense he may not have planned it that way. Relatively well advertised also, you used to see him in Guitar Magazine (or was it Guitar World?).

Oh, I get what you mean. Then what would you say about the popularity of Black Metal in the Metal world?

Written by Doc G. on 02.04.2008 at 07:18

Not in the style sense. Just saying the reaction to this video is pretty much unanimous; pointless.

It was fun while it lasted

Written by Clintagräm on 02.04.2008 at 07:29
Oh, I get what you mean. Then what would you say about the popularity of Black Metal in the Metal world?

It's pretty obvious, just look at Dimmu and Cradle musically, the controversial hype that leads people to Mayhem and Burzum, the friendly feelgood music of Weakling and Wolves In The Throne Room...

Written by totaliteraliter on 03.04.2008 at 03:11

Written by Clintagräm on 02.04.2008 at 07:29
Oh, I get what you mean. Then what would you say about the popularity of Black Metal in the Metal world?

It's pretty obvious, just look at Dimmu and Cradle musically, the controversial hype that leads people to Mayhem and Burzum, the friendly feelgood music of Weakling and Wolves In The Throne Room...

Yeah, but Mayhem isn't inoffensive, they're not technically impressive, they're not catchy, etc. What you're trying to say doesn't apply to all bands. Otherwise, your idea of a good band is one no one's heard of!

Written by Clintagräm on 03.04.2008 at 03:31

Yeah, but Mayhem isn't inoffensive, they're not technically impressive, they're not catchy, etc. What you're trying to say doesn't apply to all bands. Otherwise, your idea of a good band is one no one's heard of!

You seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of "and/or".

Written by totaliteraliter on 03.04.2008 at 03:35

Written by Clintagräm on 03.04.2008 at 03:31

Yeah, but Mayhem isn't inoffensive, they're not technically impressive, they're not catchy, etc. What you're trying to say doesn't apply to all bands. Otherwise, your idea of a good band is one no one's heard of!

You seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of "and/or".

No, I am, but you failed to give me an example, so I see it as you saying: "All popular Metal bands are popular because of one of these reasons." You seem to say if Metal is popular, it's wrong.

Written by Nox Lux on 03.04.2008 at 03:37
That isn't well-advertised mate., That's a Guitar magazine journalist doing his fvcking job. I'm doing a Commerce degree in Marketing. Although it's legitimate to say that some articles in mags are influenced by the big cheeses, you can't just pull one article out and say that that's hype and advertsiing! That would mean everything ever published is all premeditated advertising.

Where did I say the article itself was paid or "premeditated" advertising?

Written by Nox Lux on 03.04.2008 at 03:37
And by the way, there are different metal worlds. One only has to go from one country to the next to find out how different it is approached and how different the degrees of popularity are.

: Great observation, let me know if it becomes relevant to the discussion.

Written by Clintagräm on 03.04.2008 at 03:40
No, I am, but you failed to give me an example, so I see it as you saying: "All popular Metal bands are popular because of one of these reasons."

Pretty much. I don't understand your objection. What example did I fail to give you?

Written by Clintagräm on 03.04.2008 at 03:40
You seem to say if Metal is popular, it's wrong.

What do you mean, "Wrong"?

Written by totaliteraliter on 03.04.2008 at 03:52

Pretty much. I don't understand your objection. What example did I fail to give you?

You said "Metal usually gets popular because it is simple, inoffensive, unchallenging, technically impressive, gimmicky and/or accessible." I'm asking can you give me any bands in your opinion that aren't popular because of this? And even if you do, someone could argue the point that they are one of these. Thus, one could argue ANY band ANYONE has heard of is popular, and thus, one of these, and I think that just seems, well, ignorant. There are actual GOOD bands (by my opinion of course) out there. Obviously, I can understand where you're coming from if you talk about a band like Dream Theater, Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth, and such. But how do you consider bands that aren't (in my opinion) any of these? Bands like old school US Metal, or Martyr, or such. Or are you consider these few examples to be one of the following descriptions? Also you say "Metal usually..." so can you yourself provide any examples of other ways it becomes popular? That's what I was looking for. Hope I cleared it up.

Written by totaliteraliter on 03.04.2008 at 03:52

What do you mean, "Wrong"?

I meant wrong as if, you don't feel happy about the bands that are popular today being popular, or those "good" bands out there, to become popular because thus, by default, they must have on of these unfavorable characteristics that you listen above.

Written by totaliteraliter on 03.04.2008 at 03:52

Pretty much. I don't understand your objection. What example did I fail to give you?

You said "Metal usually gets popular because it is simple, inoffensive, unchallenging, technically impressive, gimmicky and/or accessible." I'm asking can you give me any bands in your opinion that aren't popular because of this? And even if you do, someone could argue the point that they are one of these. Thus, one could argue ANY band ANYONE has heard of is popular, and thus, one of these, and I think that just seems, well, ignorant. There are actual GOOD bands (by my opinion of course) out there. Obviously, I can understand where you're coming from if you talk about a band like Dream Theater, Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth, and such. But how do you consider bands that aren't (in my opinion) any of these? Bands like old school US Metal, or Martyr, or such. Or are you considered these few examples to be one of the following descriptions? Also you say "Metal usually..." so can you yourself provide any examples of other ways it becomes popular? That's what I was looking for. Hope I cleared it up.