elseif
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25.07.2010 - 06:18Rating: 7
A little bit harsh
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25.07.2010 - 06:19Rating: 7
Written by elseif on 25.07.2010 at 06:18
A little bit harsh
What makes you say that?
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elseif
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25.07.2010 - 06:29Rating: 7
I think it's not uninspired, they tried to evolve while keeping their sound and introduced a new intrument for the "Rust Never Sleeps" intro.
And I also think that this is a very clean and energetic album, well I enjoy this album!
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Necrodamus
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25.07.2010 - 08:37Rating: 7
I agree that their formula is beginning to become more and more repetitive with each album. Still there are much worse releases on the market, and this is not a bad album by any means. A good effort nonetheless.
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I agree on the most parts
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
25.07.2010 - 14:16Rating: 7
Written by elseif on 25.07.2010 at 06:29
I think it's not uninspired, they tried to evolve while keeping their sound and introduced a new intrument for the "Rust Never Sleeps" intro.
And I also think that this is a very clean and energetic album, well I enjoy this album!
One song with a new instrument isn't enough to make up for the rest of the album sounding samey in my opinion. And I agree that it's a high-energy album, although perhaps the "clean" aspect is what turned me off - I like my Kalmah swampy, as I'm sure most of their fans do.
Written by Necrodamus on 25.07.2010 at 08:37
I agree that their formula is beginning to become more and more repetitive with each album. Still there are much worse releases on the market, and this is not a bad album by any means. A good effort nonetheless.
Technically a 6.7 doesn't make this album the worst I've heard this year (far from it in fact), and by the MS rating system it's just above average. I think the band put forth an album worth listening to once or twice, but at the end of the day I wouldn't recommend listening to this over any of their previous efforts (aside from For The Revolution of course).
Written by moe5512 on 25.07.2010 at 13:10
I agree on the most parts
Glad to hear it!
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BudDa ElitePosts: 887 |
25.07.2010 - 16:50Rating: 8
I thot this was a good record.(and not just an above average one) I didn't find the A. Kokko's work 'forced'. I actually found it great. Like, heavy-thrashing-headbanging great!! Uninspired?!..erm..I wouldn't want to call it that. I would probably call it 'characteristic' or...'signature-ish'?!lol. Anyway, this is a solid album, I would give it atleast a 7.4 which according to the MS rating system is slightly just above good!
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25.07.2010 - 17:04Rating: 9
I entirely disagree with this review. I think 12 Gauge is one of the best albuns of Kalmah. And solos here are very inspired, in my opinion. One of the best albuns of 210.
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I agree with this review. I guess I'm biased though, because I dislike melodeath in general.
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Haha, well before you do a review, you should probably research the title a little bit. The Kokko's are hunters, they use that type of shotgun for hunting, probably around there swamp areas they live near.
Second, there always seems to be a sense of unhappiness with progression or the lack there of. Its a lose lose situation for bands.
People cry fowl when bands like Iron Maiden don't write songs like they did in the 80 and change their sound...or bands like Children Of Bodom, In Flames, etc.
Then there are those bands that stay true to the sound they created for themselves like Dark Tranquillity and people call them a one trick pony.
I think that Kalmah, yes, do maintain a similar style for each album, but really listen to each album and I think they have changed a lot from album to album. Let's face it, judging evey album based on whether it is groundbreaking or not is kind of biased. Everything can't be groundbreaking. If that were the case, then bands like amon amarth should receive lower ratings for each album, because they aren't really changing either.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
26.07.2010 - 02:06Rating: 7
Written by [user id=20536] on 25.07.2010 at 19:03
Haha, well before you do a review, you should probably research the title a little bit. The Kokko's are hunters, they use that type of shotgun for hunting, probably around there swamp areas they live near.
That's a nice bit of trivia you have there - something that would have made ranting about the title in my review irrelevant!
Second, there always seems to be a sense of unhappiness with progression or the lack there of. Its a lose lose situation for bands.
Couldn't agree more - if a band changes, people are going to be upset about it; if a band re-releases the same material over and over, people will be unhappy. On the other hand, both events will also lead to their fair share of appraisal.
I think that Kalmah, yes, do maintain a similar style for each album, but really listen to each album and I think they have changed a lot from album to album. Let's face it, judging evey album based on whether it is groundbreaking or not is kind of biased. Everything can't be groundbreaking. If that were the case, then bands like amon amarth should receive lower ratings for each album, because they aren't really changing either.
Again I agree: While there is nothing groundbreaking about this release, Kalmah have shown again their ability to change and that proves they aren't willing to rest on their laurels. That being said, it would be nice to see them progress and change while maintaining what made them unique and groundbreaking during their earlier years.
Thanks for the response.
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Liquidus_Animus
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26.07.2010 - 03:31Rating: 8
I think it was a great album, although some lyrics are quite cheesy or weird (think One of Fail and Swampwar). I do agree that Kalmah are following the steps of DT in the stucture and repetiveness department but hey, Kalmah is great at what they do. Death infused Powerish Metal.
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warrior_of_ice
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26.07.2010 - 07:03Rating: 9
Personally, i love this album. this review was really unfair
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26.07.2010 - 08:02Rating: 7
Def a great album
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26.07.2010 - 13:35Rating: 7
Written by warrior_of_ice on 26.07.2010 at 07:03
Personally, i love this album. this review was really unfair
What was unfair about this review? Just because you would rate it higher doesn't mean I didn't analyze it objectively.
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These two first paragraphs sure are useless, and the Counter-Strike reference is just... let's call it silly and redundant. Kalmah have always been very high on politics, and titling an album after a firearm is no stranger than giving it a name about revolution.
Early Children of Bodom? No friggin' way. Children of Bodom was way too centred around cheesy keyboard overflow, guitar wankery, 'faux growls' and general 'angst', none of which can be found in Kalmah. Growls are 'proper', keyboards aren't that jarring and the guitarists are not wannabe Malmsteems. The only 'CoB-ish' track I could pinpoint would be One of Fail.
Shortage of outstanding moments? That could be possible if the whole second half of the album never existed. Sacramentum is quite possibly one of the best songs this band has ever recorded. Godeye, Hook the Monster and the title track are also real damn great. Better not to Tell and Bullets are Blind are the only tracks I'd consider 'filler'.
I'll also completely disagree with the 'lack of evolution'. Kalmah changed considerably over the last years. Compare their first albums with Black Waltz, for instance. The first ones are pretty much typical CoB clones, while they added a lot more edge for Black Waltz. I won't comment on For the Revolution 'cause I think I listened to that album twice before deciding that it's not worth my time, but 12 Gauge is also different from Black Waltz, it's more energetic, less 'grim' and with a bit more melodic approach. But don't get me wrong, this is nothing exactly groundbreaking, yet I wouldn't call it generic either. However, 12 Gauge is still a solid record, as solid as it can get.
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26.07.2010 - 17:16Rating: 9
Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.07.2010 at 13:35
Written by warrior_of_ice on 26.07.2010 at 07:03
Personally, i love this album. this review was really unfair
What was unfair about this review? Just because you would rate it higher doesn't mean I didn't analyze it objectively.
how can you say you analyzed the album objectively? it is clearly YOUR opinion, therefore subjective. Objectivity refers to observable information such as: taste, smell, touch, etc. something being able to be described and as close to the truth as you can get...
subjectivity= opinions, judgments, beliefs.
To which category do you think a 'REVIEW' would belong to????
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Written by warrior_of_ice on 26.07.2010 at 17:16
Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.07.2010 at 13:35
Written by warrior_of_ice on 26.07.2010 at 07:03
Personally, i love this album. this review was really unfair
What was unfair about this review? Just because you would rate it higher doesn't mean I didn't analyze it objectively.
how can you say you analyzed the album objectively? it is clearly YOUR opinion, therefore subjective. Objectivity refers to observable information such as: taste, smell, touch, etc. something being able to be described and as close to the truth as you can get...
subjectivity= opinions, judgments, beliefs.
To which category do you think a 'REVIEW' would belong to????
Then by your own definition ALL reviews are unfair as they are reviewed by humans, so your initial point has been rendered pointless.
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warrior_of_ice
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26.07.2010 - 17:45Rating: 9
Nice try with your faulty deductive reasoning. i was arguing that his review is not objective. no where in my reply did i mention 'ALL reviews'. And no, my initial point has NOT been rendered pointless despite what you make believe. Have you read previous posts of members who believe Troy's review was harsh and unfair? I am by no means attacking Troy as a person, rather the subjective nature of his review.
Secondly, the objective vs. subjective comparison was by no means, 'MY OWN DEFINITION'. Better luck next time....
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Written by warrior_of_ice on 26.07.2010 at 17:45
Nice try with your faulty deductive reasoning. i was arguing that his review is not objective. no where in my reply did i mention 'ALL reviews'. And no, my initial point has NOT been rendered pointless despite what you make believe. Have you read previous posts of members who believe Troy's review was harsh and unfair? I am by no means attacking Troy as a person, rather the subjective nature of his review.
Secondly, the objective vs. subjective comparison was by no means, 'MY OWN DEFINITION'. Better luck next time....
Then maybe you should be a little clearer instead of flying off the handle; he asked you to clarify why you thought his review was unfair, your response was to question his objectivity, which is a subjective notion in its own right amusingly enough. Reviewers by their very nature review with what they believe to be as objective a view as is possible. The fact that you haven't given any insight into why you think his review lacks objectivity just suggests you're, as they say, "butthurt" because he reviewed an album you like in a less than a positive manner.
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warrior_of_ice
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26.07.2010 - 18:11Rating: 9
(As they say "butthurt".) I congratulate your exquisite choice of words there. Here are some reasons why I do not agree with this review.
1) I don't see whats wrong with the album title, '12 Gauge'.
2) The comparison to early works of Children of Bodom is utterly confusing, I do not here any similarities between the two bands at all.
3) I don't agree that there is a shortage of outstanding moments in the album. I enjoy it from start to finish and am in complete awe of the catchy rhythm/lead guitar sections.
4) Do not agree with the assertion that Kalmah are to become the next Dark Tranquility with repetitive song structures and unaltered production. Have you heard this album through KRK studio profiles?
Indeed, these are my own opinions, therefore subjective.
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Written by warrior_of_ice on 26.07.2010 at 18:11
Indeed, these are my own opinions, therefore subjective.
Not that it's any of my business anymore but well done, you get a pat on the head
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26.07.2010 - 18:19Rating: 9
Your lack of respect towards Metal Storm members through your condescending nature sadness me.
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Written by warrior_of_ice on 26.07.2010 at 18:19
Your lack of respect towards Metal Storm members through your condescending nature sadness me.
Managed to get a cogent response out of you though, for that metalstorm should be respecting me.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 26.07.2010 at 18:23
Written by warrior_of_ice on 26.07.2010 at 18:19
Your lack of respect towards Metal Storm members through your condescending nature sadness me.
Managed to get a cogent response out of you though, for that metalstorm should be respecting me.
+1
Oh, except the latter part of your sentence.
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Written by vezzy on 26.07.2010 at 18:27
Written by [user id=4365] on 26.07.2010 at 18:23
Written by warrior_of_ice on 26.07.2010 at 18:19
Your lack of respect towards Metal Storm members through your condescending nature sadness me.
Managed to get a cogent response out of you though, for that metalstorm should be respecting me.
+1
Oh, except the latter part of your sentence.
What can I say? I'm an irrepressible egomaniac.
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It's always hilarious when someone who disagrees with a review goes after the "objectivity" of the reviewer. the whole point of a review is to provide a an opinion on an album they've listened to so that others who have not experienced it will get an understanding on what to expect and whether or not it might be something that interests them. this is best done by combining a degree of objectivity with a healthy dose of subjectivity.
let's face it, an objective review of anything would be not only boring, but worthless.
i'll try to give it a shot below. i have not listened to it, so i am inserting "X's" and "Y's" in for factual measurements that are currently unknown to me:
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Kalmah - 12 Gauge. AN objective review.
"12 Gauge" is the sixth release from the Finnish act*. The band at the time of recording consisted of five member arrayed as follows: two guitarists (one who also does vocals), one bassist, a drummer, and a keyboardist. The album consists of nine songs played over (XX) amount of minutes. The Japanese version contains an extra track, a cover of "Cold Sweat" by Thin Lizzy.
The guitars were distorted during the recording process. This album also had YY guitar solos. The vocals were mostly performed in what is referred to as a growling style.
Songs did not maintain a constant speed and varied from tempos measuring from XX bpm at slowest to YY bpm at fastest.
This album was recorded at (location) and released on February 24, 2010 by Spinefarm records.
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hope that review, stating fact and avoiding opinion, helps.
*you'll notice i must refer to them as "an act" rather than a specific genre or sub-genre, as it's subjective whether they are "extreme power" or "melodeath"... we wouldn't want to be subjective and classify them into one now, would we? Of course, the classification of metal is subjective, so calling them a metal band could be construed as the author forming an opinion.
it's the subjective/opinion part of the review that gives it any flavor.
peoples tastes are different, just because you like something doesn't mean others will. if you don't like someone else's review of something (whether positive or negative) you are better served to state your own counter-argument as to why you feel differently and what about said piece pleases/displeases you than you are attacking a reviewer... unless the reviewer is clearly out of whack and has an agenda. (i.e. someone admitted to reviewing the new christopher lee piece and scoring it absurdly high because others had scored it low... )
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Written by BitterCOld on 26.07.2010 at 19:59
It's always hilarious when someone who disagrees with a review goes after the "objectivity" of the reviewer. the whole point of a review is to provide a an opinion on an album they've listened to so that others who have not experienced it will get an understanding on what to expect and whether or not it might be something that interests them. this is best done by combining a degree of objectivity with a healthy dose of subjectivity.
let's face it, an objective review of anything would be not only boring, but worthless.
i'll try to give it a shot below. i have not listened to it, so i am inserting "X's" and "Y's" in for factual measurements that are currently unknown to me:
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Kalmah - 12 Gauge. AN objective review.
"12 Gauge" is the sixth release from the Finnish act*. The band at the time of recording consisted of five member arrayed as follows: two guitarists (one who also does vocals), one bassist, a drummer, and a keyboardist. The album consists of nine songs played over (XX) amount of minutes. The Japanese version contains an extra track, a cover of "Cold Sweat" by Thin Lizzy.
The guitars were distorted during the recording process. This album also had YY guitar solos. The vocals were mostly performed in what is referred to as a growling style.
Songs did not maintain a constant speed and varied from tempos measuring from XX bpm at slowest to YY bpm at fastest.
This album was recorded at (location) and released on February 24, 2010 by Spinefarm records.
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hope that review, stating fact and avoiding opinion, helps.
*you'll notice i must refer to them as "an act" rather than a specific genre or sub-genre, as it's subjective whether they are "extreme power" or "melodeath"... we wouldn't want to be subjective and classify them into one now, would we? Of course, the classification of metal is subjective, so calling them a metal band could be construed as the author forming an opinion.
it's the subjective/opinion part of the review that gives it any flavor.
peoples tastes are different, just because you like something doesn't mean others will. if you don't like someone else's review of something (whether positive or negative) you are better served to state your own counter-argument as to why you feel differently and what about said piece pleases/displeases you than you are attacking a reviewer... unless the reviewer is clearly out of whack and has an agenda. (i.e. someone admitted to reviewing the new christopher lee piece and scoring it absurdly high because others had scored it low... )
I lol'ed. I'm only quoting you because I believe posting this message once was not enough.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
27.07.2010 - 00:35Rating: 7
Written by BitterCOld on 26.07.2010 at 19:59
...i'll try to give it a shot below. i have not listened to it, so i am inserting "X's" and "Y's" in for factual measurements that are currently unknown to me...
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27.07.2010 - 00:40Rating: 9
Good arguments, but no, it's not a slightly above average album, I think it stands perfectly on the edge between pre and post-Swampsong albums, and it has an old school something that's quite new, in the production, I mean. I really enjoyed this one, particularly after the boooring For the Revolution
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