2 great albums from 2 great Thrash bands in 90's ! IMO Seasons In The Abyss was the end of the line for great Slayer albums and also Arise is the Best Sepultura album with Max Cavalera.
I voted for Arise because it was the first Thrash album I ever heard and I really like it.

Abyss no doubt one of my fav thrash song and album, Only Slayer album what I like, realy and I like it so much ehhehe so my vote goes for Abyss

I'm gonna have to go for Seasons in the Abyss. Arise is great (though I prefer Beneath the Remains), but I find Seasons in the Abyss to be more musically varied. That, and I just prefer it. It's Slayer's best album IMO.

Yeah, not doing well with the whole constructive reasoning thing, am I?

For me Slayer's greatest album was Reign In Blood. Season in The Abyss is a very good album but it's far from being their best so I have to go with Arise which is the best album from Sepultura!

Seasons in the abyss !!!

Interesting comparison. I pick Arise since it's more diverse and probably had some impact in new directions for thrash, rather then Slayer continuing the pretty much in the same line.

Arise !!!!

Seasons In The Abyss ^^

Arise. To me Season In The Abyss was Slayer's attempt at writing their own metallica- metallica album. Toning down their sound and making it more melodic to appeal to the masses.

I love both albums, but I'll go with Arise. Mainly because I love all the songs on it, whereas Seasons has a couple that I dont think are great.

Seasons had a few good songs that I can listen to repeatedly, but it lacks something. Whereas Arise was Sepultura's peak, along with Beneath The Remains.

On the pale great sky WE SHALL ARISE!
___

I see the world old, old...
I see the world dead, DEAD!!!

I choose Arise because it has those badass lines.... It's timeless I tell ya. I enjoy the entire album even though My favorites are still Beneath The Remains and Schizophrenia but damn, Arise is some brutal stuff and I'm not really a Slayer fan.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 26.08.2010 at 12:43

On the pale great sky WE SHALL ARISE!
___

I see the world old, old...
I see the world dead, DEAD!!!

I choose Arise because it has those badass lines.... It's timeless I tell ya. I enjoy the entire album even though My favorites are still Beneath The Remains and Schizophrenia but damn, Arise is some brutal stuff and I'm not really a Slayer fan.

Arise (the song) is one of the few exceptions in my mind, where the lyrics are just as strong as the music. They enhance it greatly. They're so primordial, yet they blend so well with the music.

Arise for me, I like Seasons a lot, but the lyrics and vocals on Arise are better imo.
Arise is the best Sepultura album and Seasons isn't Slayer's

Written by Koen Smits on 26.08.2010 at 17:18

Arise for me, I like Seasons a lot, but the lyrics and vocals on Arise are better imo.
Arise is the best Sepultura album and Seasons isn't Slayer's

Yep, Arise is my fave Seps album too. The first 3 albums (especially Beneath The Remains) and Chaos AD I also love. But Arise took their thrash/death style to its logical conclusion. It is a brutal album, but also at times, very intelligent. With songs like "Desperate Cry" and "Altered State". That was the peak of Sepultura for me, and it was also the first album by them I heard. <3

Written by Angelic Storm on 26.08.2010 at 17:30

Written by Koen Smits on 26.08.2010 at 17:18

Arise for me, I like Seasons a lot, but the lyrics and vocals on Arise are better imo.
Arise is the best Sepultura album and Seasons isn't Slayer's

Yep, Arise is my fave Seps album too. The first 3 albums (especially Beneath The Remains) and Chaos AD I also love. But Arise took their thrash/death style to its logical conclusion. It is a brutal album, but also at times, very intelligent. With songs like "Desperate Cry" and "Altered State". That was the peak of Sepultura for me, and it was also the first album by them I heard. <3

My favorite albums are Arise, Beneath The Remains and Schizophrenia

Written by Angelic Storm on 26.08.2010 at 17:30

Written by Koen Smits on 26.08.2010 at 17:18

Arise for me, I like Seasons a lot, but the lyrics and vocals on Arise are better imo.
Arise is the best Sepultura album and Seasons isn't Slayer's

Yep, Arise is my fave Seps album too. The first 3 albums (especially Beneath The Remains) and Chaos AD I also love. But Arise took their thrash/death style to its logical conclusion. It is a brutal album, but also at times, very intelligent. With songs like "Desperate Cry" and "Altered State". That was the peak of Sepultura for me, and it was also the first album by them I heard. <3

What's it with people calling Arise and Beneath The Remains thrash/death? Putre thrash it is, it's like calling Hell Awaits & Reign In Blood & Show No Mercy thrash/death, so, totally ridiculous. Nothing death metal about those albums whatsoever.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.08.2010 at 17:44
What's it with people calling Arise and Beneath The Remains thrash/death? Putre thrash it is, it's like calling Hell Awaits & Reign In Blood & Show No Mercy thrash/death, so, totally ridiculous. Nothing death metal about those albums whatsoever.

When I was young (god I hate saying that! ) metal publications didnt even use the thrash/death tag for Sepultura, they were always called just death metal.

I think they had the death metal tag for two reasons. Firstly, they started out as death metal, with the first EP and album especially, so the tag stuck with them for a while. Secondly, Max's vocals are (or were) closer to death metal vocals than thrash ones. When I was growing up, they had the death metal tag, so I always associate their first 4 albums with death metal, even though BTR and Arise, were definitely closer to thrash than death metal. xD

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.08.2010 at 17:44

Written by Angelic Storm on 26.08.2010 at 17:30

Written by Koen Smits on 26.08.2010 at 17:18

Arise for me, I like Seasons a lot, but the lyrics and vocals on Arise are better imo.
Arise is the best Sepultura album and Seasons isn't Slayer's

Yep, Arise is my fave Seps album too. The first 3 albums (especially Beneath The Remains) and Chaos AD I also love. But Arise took their thrash/death style to its logical conclusion. It is a brutal album, but also at times, very intelligent. With songs like "Desperate Cry" and "Altered State". That was the peak of Sepultura for me, and it was also the first album by them I heard. <3

What's it with people calling Arise and Beneath The Remains thrash/death? Putre thrash it is, it's like calling Hell Awaits & Reign In Blood & Show No Mercy thrash/death, so, totally ridiculous. Nothing death metal about those albums whatsoever.

This is not the first time you complain about the thrash/death thing, is it?
I agree with you but I think the reason some people call this thrash/death is 'cause the vocals on Arise are not the "normal" thrash vocals.

Written by Angelic Storm on 26.08.2010 at 17:53

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.08.2010 at 17:44
What's it with people calling Arise and Beneath The Remains thrash/death? Putre thrash it is, it's like calling Hell Awaits & Reign In Blood & Show No Mercy thrash/death, so, totally ridiculous. Nothing death metal about those albums whatsoever.

When I was young (god I hate saying that! ) metal publications didnt even use the thrash/death tag for Sepultura, they were always called just death metal.

I think they had the death metal tag for two reasons. Firstly, they started out as death metal, with the first EP and album especially, so the tag stuck with them for a while. Secondly, Max's vocals are (or were) closer to death metal vocals than thrash ones. When I was growing up, they had the death metal tag, so I always associate their first 4 albums with death metal, even though BTR and Arise, were definitely closer to thrash than death metal. xD

Metal Forces called it thrash no death there and everywhere on mainland Europe Sepultura were to as pyure thrash. Just caus Max's voice leans towards death etal does not make the music death metal. Then you might as well call Sodom thrash as well.
As far as I can remember it was the non-thrash country England which was the only one where mags such as Kerrang referred to Sepultura as death metal.

Written by Koen Smits on 26.08.2010 at 17:54



This is not the first time you complain about the thrash/death thing, is it?

Nope, and I will keep on complaining about it when people get it wrong

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.08.2010 at 17:57
Metal Forces called it thrash no death there and everywhere on mainland Europe Sepultura were to as pyure thrash. Just caus Max's voice leans towards death etal does not make the music death metal. Then you might as well call Sodom thrash as well.
As far as I can remember it was the non-thrash country England which was the only one where mags such as Kerrang referred to Sepultura as death metal.

Are you forgetting that I'm from the UK? I actually used to get Metal Forces if I remember rightly, and Seps were always lumped in with fellow Roadrunner/Morrisound death bands like Obituary, and Deicide. This could also be why some people connected them with the death metal scene. The main UK metal mags at that time were Kerrang (I loath to call that a "metal" magazine anymore... lol) and Raw Power. And they both had Seps labelled as death metal. I think Metal Hammer was around at that time as well, but Im not sure. I did used to buy that when I was in my teens though. xD

Edit: It was actually Metal Maniacs I used to get (A US metal mag), not Metal Forces... I think. lol

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.08.2010 at 17:57

Written by Angelic Storm on 26.08.2010 at 17:53

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.08.2010 at 17:44
What's it with people calling Arise and Beneath The Remains thrash/death? Putre thrash it is, it's like calling Hell Awaits & Reign In Blood & Show No Mercy thrash/death, so, totally ridiculous. Nothing death metal about those albums whatsoever.

When I was young (god I hate saying that! ) metal publications didnt even use the thrash/death tag for Sepultura, they were always called just death metal.

I think they had the death metal tag for two reasons. Firstly, they started out as death metal, with the first EP and album especially, so the tag stuck with them for a while. Secondly, Max's vocals are (or were) closer to death metal vocals than thrash ones. When I was growing up, they had the death metal tag, so I always associate their first 4 albums with death metal, even though BTR and Arise, were definitely closer to thrash than death metal. xD

Then you might as well call Sodom thrash.

What the hell is Sodom besides thrash?

Written by Koen Smits on 26.08.2010 at 18:10
What the hell is Sodom besides thrash?

Exactly. Although I suspect what he meant to say actually was "you may as well call Sodom death metal". Sodom have never been anything else but thrash, aside from the first 2 albums maybe.

Written by Koen Smits on 26.08.2010 at 18:10

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.08.2010 at 17:57

Written by Angelic Storm on 26.08.2010 at 17:53

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.08.2010 at 17:44
What's it with people calling Arise and Beneath The Remains thrash/death? Putre thrash it is, it's like calling Hell Awaits & Reign In Blood & Show No Mercy thrash/death, so, totally ridiculous. Nothing death metal about those albums whatsoever.

When I was young (god I hate saying that! ) metal publications didnt even use the thrash/death tag for Sepultura, they were always called just death metal.

I think they had the death metal tag for two reasons. Firstly, they started out as death metal, with the first EP and album especially, so the tag stuck with them for a while. Secondly, Max's vocals are (or were) closer to death metal vocals than thrash ones. When I was growing up, they had the death metal tag, so I always associate their first 4 albums with death metal, even though BTR and Arise, were definitely closer to thrash than death metal. xD

Then you might as well call Sodom thrash.

What the hell is Sodom besides thrash?

Hahahaha Freudian typo, of course I meant death instead of thrash there

Written by Angelic Storm on 26.08.2010 at 18:28

Written by Koen Smits on 26.08.2010 at 18:10
What the hell is Sodom besides thrash?

Exactly. Although I suspect what he meant to say actually was "you may as well call Sodom death metal". Sodom have never been anything else but thrash, aside from the first 2 albums maybe.

Even those are pure thrash though very harsh, and the same applies to Sepultura

Written by Angelic Storm on 26.08.2010 at 18:04

Edit: It was actually Metal Maniacs I used to get (A US metal mag), not Metal Forces... I think. lol

i used to get MM too, back in the day when Katherine Ludwig was in charge. i recall Sep being flagged/tagged more along the death crowd than the thrash side. of course, scoring the opening track on "at death's door" furthered that notion.

i'd go with Slayer on this one. the mediocre tracks are certainly mediocre, but to me the high points really stood out so much more than anything on Arise. I liekd Arise enough "back in the day", but cannot recall the last time i listened to it. I still break out War Ensemble and Seasons in the Abyss with regularity.

Ive voted for Abyss

Written by BitterCOld on 26.08.2010 at 18:57
I still break out War Ensemble and Seasons in the Abyss with regularity.

Oh god, I hate "War Ensemble". Don't know why it's such a popular Slayer song.

Anyway, Sepultura is definitely plain thrash, no doubt about it. Even Morbid Visions had thrash elements.

Also, Chaos A.D. is rather mediocre compared to their previous efforts at the time.

Voted for Seasons in the Abyss, but IMO the best Sepultura record is Beneath the Remains, period