Poland is most undemocratical country in EU .... football fans go to jail for nothing , things what is banned there for poles was not stoped and taken away in EC days (I talk about communistic symbols what Russian fans wear)
Poland is only countdy in EU (Norge is not EU) where Canal+ dont show porn at nightime
New people shood go in politics and get elected and stop this ...... this is same like islam ......

I never would do what he did , but I dont care and I support freedom of humen wrights .... and if judges are so pute ... remeber folks use a condom is sin and devorce is sin .... when you will be pure , wont use condom , profe you're saint 1th

Freedom of speech is a myth.



Unless you're a 'minority'. Then you can insult and offend whomever you please.

Written by Bad English on 30.10.2012 at 13:11

Poland is most undemocratical country in EU .... football fans go to jail for nothing , things what is banned there for poles was not stoped and taken away in EC days (I talk about communistic symbols what Russian fans wear)
Poland is only countdy in EU (Norge is not EU) where Canal+ dont show porn at nightime
New people shood go in politics and get elected and stop this ...... this is same like islam ......

I never would do what he did , but I dont care and I support freedom of humen wrights .... and if judges are so pute ... remeber folks use a condom is sin and devorce is sin .... when you will be pure , wont use condom , profe you're saint 1th

You're so clueless about my country that I won't even dignify your gibberish with an educated answer. But I do try to follow a simple rule in life: if you have no clue, shut the fuck up.

Written by Bad English on 30.10.2012 at 13:11

Poland is most undemocratical country in EU .... football fans go to jail for nothing , things what is banned there for poles was not stoped and taken away in EC days (I talk about communistic symbols what Russian fans wear)
Poland is only countdy in EU (Norge is not EU) where Canal+ dont show porn at nightime
New people shood go in politics and get elected and stop this ...... this is same like islam ......

I never would do what he did , but I dont care and I support freedom of humen wrights .... and if judges are so pute ... remeber folks use a condom is sin and devorce is sin .... when you will be pure , wont use condom , profe you're saint 1th

once again you are talking about something you totally know nothing about.

Marcel - Daniel
I doubt you will go to jail in Swe for this, not in Lv and probobly other country ,
He did not nothing, he did not burn a churh or rape a nun, murder a priest what is actualy a crime
In USA you can burn america's flag and no punnsihment

PS you cant watch porn in canal+ poland , only country where has canal + and has no porn ¨
I have a good friend who use to work for canal+ program cards , and card security and worc whit encription
Now he works for British Sky

Why is honesty forbidden in poland?

@Bad English - as Daniel and Marcel said, you have no idea what you're talking about. Porn and in fact even prostitution is completely legal in Poland and is very much shown on television. Why Canal+ doesn't do it, I don't know, you should probably ask them because there is nothing in Polish law preventing them from doing so.

As for football - don't forget that football is a sport that unfortunately attracts a lot of violent people and to be perfectly honest, I am glad that there was so much Police involved during EURO2012, as a citizen of Warsaw I felt a lot safer. Everything turned out pretty good, there were no big incidents and I was in fact on that bridge when the Russian fans made their march. TV fixated on a few idiot Polish hooligans who were harassing the Russians but in fact the entire march was pretty incident-free and not a big deal at all. Russian people generally felt quite welcome in Warsaw, based on the conversations that I've had with Russian visitors at that time.

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And now, here is my comment on the issue at hand: Poland is a rapidly developing country and it is catching up with the rest of the EU in great strides, but there are still a few issues left behind after all of the misery caused by WWII and communist rule that the Polish people just can't get over that quickly. The whole Church thing is one such thing - since the Catholic Church has been associated as being in opposition to the communist rule back in the day, there is now still a lingering sense of trust for the Church. Even though more and more young people openly identify as atheist these days in Poland, the Church remains a very vital force in this country and as they see their influence slowly crumbling, they go after guys like Nergal. It is stupid and I am quite ashamed of this to be honest, but its not as bad as it used to be either. Hopefully this case, and other cases like this (there are a few more cases related to offending religious sensibilities happening in Poland that we haven't mentioned here) will bring enough publicity to the issue that young people will finally get turned off to the Church and its influence will decrease.

So yeah, this is a very embarrassing thing that is happening here, and I just hope that eventually we will realize how stupid it makes our country look.

Finally, let me just say that freedom of speech is very much protected by the constitution in Poland, this is just a witch hunt and a huge publicity stunt. You can read plenty of articles that are way more offensive to religious sensibilities in the press here in Poland and nobody says anything, Nergal has simply been targeted as he is a celebrity in Poland.

Written by jupitreas on 30.10.2012 at 14:23

Hopefully this case, and other cases like this (there are a few more cases related to offending religious sensibilities happening in Poland that we haven't mentioned here) will bring enough publicity to the issue that young people will finally get turned off to the Church and its influence will decrease.

I was thinking the same thing, they can win this fight but that'd be just a step closer into losing a war if you put it that way.
Too bad for Nergal if he has to face a couple of prison years just after escaping from death.

Jup - well it means non of my post make sence for all time? sometimes I have that feeling
What I mean is about EC was Pol-Rus ... all shood be arested whit comunistic simbols and same whit nazie, if boith are banned, but gourement let some go unarested ...
and those violent ppl shood go behind bars , fight in street and riot in sport is crime how say something how in this case

and you are wright about it church helped be opposition aganst communism, but now this is over, young kids dont even remeber how it was in those days . Those days are over , whole east Europe ''suffer from same sydroms'' ....and besides church from law there shood be seperatuion, in Scandinavia such thinks wont happen .....
.... in Swe nat radio was interesting discussion, I miss huge part sinec I was on buss, but they said after 10 years intelectual ppl totaly will reject chrsitianity since it stops progress and in Swe only 10% cosnider them selfs like believers and do all christian rituals.

And Pol is maybe only country in N Europe where church play so huge role and ppl belive

Im sick n tired so called christians close family friends same time real bastards dictae my life , say I will burn in hell, Im sinner bla bla....same time they do more sin
Like I said according to church condoms and devorce is sin .... they say till death do us apart something when ppl get merried ... so how many true belivers are there who follow those rules?

Im off since this post wont make any sence and I dont understand what I talk about

It´s 2012, seriously Poland? Your laws are outdated and you should grow up!

Hope there is a retrial.

You should see my country then. I'm truly embarrassed.

Written by [user id=42186] on 30.10.2012 at 16:20

It´s 2012, seriously Poland? Your laws are outdated and you should grow up!

Go to islam world there be more democracy

Written by Bad English on 30.10.2012 at 17:03

Written by [user id=42186] on 30.10.2012 at 16:20

It´s 2012, seriously Poland? Your laws are outdated and you should grow up!

Go to islam world there be more democracy

Islamic countries have even more growing up to do. I am against pulling religion into law thus Sharia law in Islamic countries is an absolute no-go in my opinion. Law should treat everyone equally and when you pull religion into the equation this all goes to shits.

According to FIFA rules gourements cant dictate what nat football federations shoodd do
EU shood make stricter laws and force countries deal chrch from gourement

Well this sucks.

Democracy? freedom? equality ?
its all a myth these days....its only good phrases used by countries when youngsters go to war and die for rich people interests...
anyway i 100% support Nergal in this fight...

Written by Unhealer on 30.10.2012 at 15:06

Written by jupitreas on 30.10.2012 at 14:23

Hopefully this case, and other cases like this (there are a few more cases related to offending religious sensibilities happening in Poland that we haven't mentioned here) will bring enough publicity to the issue that young people will finally get turned off to the Church and its influence will decrease.

I was thinking the same thing, they can win this fight but that'd be just a step closer into losing a war if you put it that way.
Too bad for Nergal if he has to face a couple of prison years just after escaping from death.

I am nearly 100% sure that Nergal will never see jail time for this. In my opinion, this whole case is simply a media opera that is being used in Poland to take attention away from other, far more serious, problems in politics etc.

Written by Bad English on 30.10.2012 at 15:42

Jup - well it means non of my post make sence for all time? sometimes I have that feeling

You should simply be more careful how you phrase your statements. Saying that Poland is the most undemocratic country in the EU based on data that I, and others, have shown to be fallacious is bound to get some people riled up over what you write. BTW, based on the study performed by Freedom House, Poland is actually considered a "Free" country, with a freedom of press rating of 25 (comparison: Finland=10, Denmark=12, Estonia=18, USA=18, UK=21, France=24, Greece=30, Italy=33, Hungary=36, Turkey=55, Egypt=57, North Korea=97 lower is better). If you had first consulted some facts, you would not make such statements and people would not misunderstand your posts.

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What I mean is about EC was Pol-Rus ... all shood be arested whit comunistic simbols and same whit nazie, if boith are banned, but gourement let some go unarested ...
and those violent ppl shood go behind bars , fight in street and riot in sport is crime how say something how in this case

As far as I know, all of the really violent hooligans who have been harassing Russians and other nations (as well as Polish citizens) have been prosecuted for their deeds. As for the nationalist symbolism used - my guess is that the authorities simply didn't want to stir the nest in order to avoid a larger problem, which IMO was the right decision. In the end, there was no real big incident...

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and you are wright about it church helped be opposition aganst communism, but now this is over, young kids dont even remeber how it was in those days . Those days are over , whole east Europe ''suffer from same sydroms'' ....and besides church from law there shood be seperatuion, in Scandinavia such thinks wont happen .....
.... in Swe nat radio was interesting discussion, I miss huge part sinec I was on buss, but they said after 10 years intelectual ppl totaly will reject chrsitianity since it stops progress and in Swe only 10% cosnider them selfs like believers and do all christian rituals.

And Pol is maybe only country in N Europe where church play so huge role and ppl belive

Indeed, Poland has a very large percentage of people who identify as Christian and even though Church-government separation is indeed ensured by the constitution, in practice the Church still has an enormous influence on politics and everyday life. We are basically dealing with a behemoth of an infrastructure here (forgive the pun) that has been in place for years and its influence cannot be eradicated quickly. Priests in Poland are often far more important in rural communities than political authorities and this cannot just be stopped immediately, people are not able to change their outlook this rapidly. Rather, it will be a gradual process of secularization that will take many years; however, I am confident that Poland will eventually join the more developed EU countries in having a healthy attitude towards religion. This case is an indication that the Church is feeling threatened, which is actually a good thing - they would not harass Nergal so much if they didn't feel they had something to lose and as they feel their power slowly diminishing, they are not likely to go without a fight.

Best of luck Nergal!

Written by jupitreas on 30.10.2012 at 17:31

I am nearly 100% sure that Nergal will never see jail time for this. In my opinion, this whole case is simply a media opera that is being used in Poland to take attention away from other, far more serious, problems in politics etc.

Back in '97, we had a similar row in Egypt. Government arrested dozens of metalheads, sentenced them and then issued a pardon. No one went to jail. Later it turned out to be an opera made to take attention away from serious political shit that had been going on at the time.

Written by jupitreas on 30.10.2012 at 14:23

Finally, let me just say that freedom of speech is very much protected by the constitution in Poland, this is just a witch hunt and a huge publicity stunt. You can read plenty of articles that are way more offensive to religious sensibilities in the press here in Poland and nobody says anything, Nergal has simply been targeted as he is a celebrity in Poland.

^^^ Exactly THIS ... and Nowak just can't let it go apparently.

I don't know Nergal. But the times I have read about him..esp in anything that is not metal related, its this (anti)religious stuff; and I don't know if its just me but Nergal seems to play victim quite well (I read his post/rant on facebook). If this is a publicity stunt then the government orchestrating it and Nergal, deserve each other.

Written by Opethian on 30.10.2012 at 17:41

Best of luck Nergal!

This dude did a major blunder by tearing down the BIBLE. If he would have raped a minor girl live on stage, I think Poland officials wouldn't give a single fuck about it.

Maaan! he seriously needs A VERY BEST OF BEST LUCK.( considering he's attention seeking whore)

Why does Nergal pull such stunts in Poland and not in other countries? Not to take a stance against religion... he knows what will happen when he does it in Poland and that means free publicity for him and his band and they will cash in on it, which they will certainly need to do with the current generic bland death metal they are churning out. A pure marketing trick by current day Behemoth. They never did it when they were a black metal band or during their creatively best period ( Satanica, Zos albums)

The guys is an attention whore first class, simple as that

This case got boring a long time ago.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2012 at 19:09

Why does Nergal pull such stunts in Poland and not in other countries?

I saw them here in Argentina that same tour on 2007 and they did it also.
It's missing here, but on other webzines I read an statement by Orion saying that it was nothing special, effectively they did it the whole tour.

Written by Unhealer on 30.10.2012 at 19:36

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2012 at 19:09

Why does Nergal pull such stunts in Poland and not in other countries?

I saw them here in Argentina that same tour on 2007 and they did it also.
It's missing here, but on other webzines I read an statement by Orion saying that it was nothing special, effectively they did it the whole tour.

I saw them on the same tour here in The Netherlands and they didn't do it here, cause guess why? Because they already knew beforehand they wouln'd get any publicity by doing it.

My point stands, Nergal ONLY does it because of the publicity it will get him and his band

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2012 at 19:39

I saw them on the same tour here in The Netherlands and they didn't do it here, cause guess why? Because they already knew beforehand they wouln'd get any publicity by doing it.

My point stands, Nergal ONLY does it because of the publicity it will get him and his band

Weird. I didn't intend to contradict you though, since great part of the success Behemoth had has a lot to do with their image and not their music that point is valid even though I wouldn't put it like that.
Just wanted to point out that even if they didn't do it every date of the tour, it wasn't a special stunt for Poland.

If he was here, he would be executed right away.
"Freedom Of Speech"? a bad joke.