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Written by [user id=35732] on 22.07.2013 at 22:52
This is still some fun info: "even though most of them use this site to add their collection and have a .txt file ready to send to potential buyers"
Well it's true, hell I even used my old account to do so for a while!
I remember meeting a guy from here, who would send out a PM to new Iranian users about his DVD collection, he even had some original ones. he was a rip-off though!
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Glad you eventually posted it here. Very good and informative article and as I stated before I agree with it
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Written by mz on 23.07.2013 at 21:07
Glad you eventually posted it here. Very good and informative article and as I stated before I agree with it
Thank you for letting me know I can!
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Great article )) I like it
Evoke Efrits , Sorg Innkallelse, From the Vastland
my fav Iranian bands
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Written by Bad English on 24.07.2013 at 02:44
Great article )) I like it
Evoke Efrits , Sorg Innkallelse, From the Vastland
my fav Iranian bands
try 1000 funerals if you have not already. They are lighter version of shape of despair, yet an enjoyable act
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Written by Mephistopholes1 on 23.07.2013 at 22:07
Written by mz on 23.07.2013 at 21:07
Glad you eventually posted it here. Very good and informative article and as I stated before I agree with it
Thank you for letting me know I can!
my pleasure sir:)
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Always it pisses me off that people mention vigeun and relates that to metal scene here,pff !
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And what does Oriental Silence has to do with Metal scene ?! gosh! and you forgot to mention back in the day ( I was a high school girl) when metal was growing on us, it all started with bands like : Pink Flyod (which had a very very big influence on people to make them familiar with rock scene outside of here) Camel,Eloy,and of course Guns n Roses, and Europe (OMG who can forget the video of The Final Count Down, when it was spreading on VHS all over the town hahaha and you didn't even mention it) how about Iron Maiden, and of course Sodom ! You missed so many parts of that history such as the first bands here started to play in their houses,where is the epic live show of SDS and Kahtmayan, haha and of course the first open air live happened in Park Lale that bands played Death songs there.All of these are more important that mentioning Vigues!! Pff !
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Written by [user id=130727] on 24.07.2013 at 11:20
And what does Oriental Silence has to do with Metal scene ?! gosh! and you forgot to mention back in the day ( I was a high school girl) when metal was growing on us, it all started with bands like : Pink Flyod (which had a very very big influence on people to make them familiar with rock scene outside of here) Camel,Eloy,and of course Guns n Roses, and Europe (OMG who can forget the video of The Final Count Down, when it was spreading on VHS all over the town hahaha and you didn't even mention it) how about Iron Maiden, and of course Sodom ! You missed so many parts of that history such as the first bands here started to play in their houses,where is the epic live show of SDS and Kahtmayan, haha and of course the first open air live happened in Park Lale that bands played Death songs there.All of these are more important that mentioning Vigues!! Pff !
Jeeez will you relax! I just said Viguen introduced guitar, no one said anything about him being part of the metal scene, being influential in any way, etc.
I've mentioned Pink Floyd fairly enough in the article, so that's that.
I agree on the GNR and Europe missing from the list. my bad. But you need to note that although a fairly similar list of bands were being played back then, some of us (including some of my friends) didn't start by watching a video of Europe or did even hate Slash for his poser styles. so opinions and experiences differ, don't you think? I mean if I want to tell my story, and probably the story of my generation, the first bits of heavy music we heard were Nu Metal, with the addition of Metallica. So see, it's really a wide range of bands, and I can't go around mentioning them all.
I've seen almost the whole SDS show, and it's horrible. yes, they were one of the very first to cover metal songs, but they are horrible. I mentioned some underground concerts, but to me, with all the respect I have for them for their works, Kahtmayan and SDS don't harbor enough talent to be mentioned, and I can discuss that with you if you want.
I wasn't aware of the Park Laleh thing, I was a kid back then, so thanks for giving out information.
And Oriental Silence, I didn't ever said they are progressive METAL. They are a progressive rock band, they were actually, and they are by far the most talented musicians I've seen working in Iran and not making a lot of noise about what they do. there is a lot of Progressive rock in here, let there be another one!
EDIT: and in case you missed, there is a note at the beginning of the article. it is based on WHAT I KNOW! If I don't know what you first-handedly experienced, then enlighten me and everyone else, but do it proper. will ya?
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Written by Bad English on 24.07.2013 at 02:44
Great article )) I like it
Evoke Efrits , Sorg Innkallelse, From the Vastland
my fav Iranian bands
Thanks!;)
I just read on MA that apparently the guy behind From the Vastland has relocated to Norway permanently, hopefully that would mean more quality music out of him, perhaps even a group rather than a one-man band.
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Written by Mephistopholes1 on 24.07.2013 at 12:51
Written by Bad English on 24.07.2013 at 02:44
Great article )) I like it
Evoke Efrits , Sorg Innkallelse, From the Vastland
my fav Iranian bands
Thanks!;)
I just read on MA that apparently the guy behind From the Vastland has relocated to Norway permanently, hopefully that would mean more quality music out of him, perhaps even a group rather than a one-man band.
well I hope so
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Written by Mephistopholes1 on 24.07.2013 at 12:46
I've seen almost the whole SDS show, and it's horrible. yes, they were one of the very first to cover metal songs, but they are horrible. I mentioned some underground concerts, but to me, Kahtmayan and SDS don't harbor enough talent to be mentioned.
And Oriental Silence, I didn't ever said they are progressive METAL. They are a progressive rock band,
reading your comment I hit my forehead several times,I'll never understand you 70s' kids, I didn't mean that you should mention the bands that we have played in our homes, YOU SHOULD KNOW that most of Iranian's today metal scene owe their musicianship to getting familiar with those bands I implied above,if something like Eloy or Camel didn't make their way to here,there wouldn't be a band like Pezhvak, ok ? you're really missing the points I made, well I actually don't expect too much from you because you're only 19 and you didn't go through those years yourself.
and also by playing in their houses I meant that the first steps of having a band here started from the musician's houses, most of the shows or rehearsal sessions even some of recordings were all done in their houses.
it's so shameful that you're mentioning SDS live as a horrible show,however, whether it was excellent or horrible it was one of the most important events in metal scene,you're seriously out of your mind mentioning Kahtmayan being talentless, don't even misunderstood me,I am not even a die hard fan of metal scene here ok ? Let alone being a huge fan of bands like Kahtmayan,I even have very harsh criticism on them , but just because you don't like this band or that one, you're not allowed to remove some parts of this story,you know ?
Oriental Silence has never and will be even a progressive rock band let alone having anything related to metal. You don't like implying Kahtmayan which is one of the biggest and oldest bands here but you INSTEAD OF THAT mentioned a band which has nothing to do with metal,yes you're such a cool kid.
Writing about metal scene in Iran is a very important issue, consider that many people who read this will get it as an authentic writing,all I can tell you in the end is that I wish you had searched enough before writing on this.
And I may start writing my own one, with actually a very authentic approach.
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Written by [user id=130727] on 24.07.2013 at 13:18
Written by Mephistopholes1 on 24.07.2013 at 12:46
Written by [user id=130727] on 24.07.2013 at 11:20
And what does Oriental Silence has to do with Metal scene ?! gosh! and you forgot to mention back in the day ( I was a high school girl) when metal was growing on us, it all started with bands like : Pink Flyod (which had a very very big influence on people to make them familiar with rock scene outside of here) Camel,Eloy,and of course Guns n Roses, and Europe (OMG who can forget the video of The Final Count Down, when it was spreading on VHS all over the town hahaha and you didn't even mention it) how about Iron Maiden, and of course Sodom ! You missed so many parts of that history such as the first bands here started to play in their houses,where is the epic live show of SDS and Kahtmayan, haha and of course the first open air live happened in Park Lale that bands played Death songs there.All of these are more important that mentioning Vigues!! Pff !
Jeeez will you relax! I just said Viguen introduced guitar, no one said anything about him being part of the metal scene, being influential in any way, etc.
I've mentioned Pink Floyd fairly enough in the article, so that's that.
You should note the article is not about what bands were being played by Iranians in their homes. It just goes briefly into the decades, and not note-by-note that "X band" was being played and "Y band" was not, although I agree that I missed out GNR and Europe.
I've seen almost the whole SDS show, and it's horrible. yes, they were one of the very first to cover metal songs, but they are horrible. I mentioned some underground concerts, but to me, Kahtmayan and SDS don't harbor enough talent to be mentioned.
I wasn't aware of the Park Laleh thing, I was a kid back then, so thanks for giving out information.
And Oriental Silence, I didn't ever said they are progressive METAL. They are a progressive rock band, they were actually, and they are by far the most talented musicians I've seen working in Iran and not making a lot of noise about what they do. there is a lot of Progressive rock in here, let there be another one!
EDIT: and in case you missed, there is a note at the beginning of the article. it is based on WHAT I KNOW! If I don't know what you first-handedly experienced, then enlighten me and everyone else, but do it proper. will ya?
reading your comment I hit my forehead several times,I'll never understand you 70s' kids, I didn't mean that you should mention the bands that we have played in our homes, YOU SHOULD KNOW that most of Iranian's today metal scene owe their musicianship to getting familiar with those bands I implied above,if something like Eloy or Camel didn't make their way to here,there wouldn't be a band like Pezhvak, ok ? you're really missing the points I made, well I actually don't expect too much from you because you're only 19 and you didn't go through those years yourself.
it's so shameful that you're mentioning SDS live as a horrible show,however, whether it was excellent or horrible it was one of the most important events in metal scene,you're seriously out of your mind mentioning Kahtmayan being talentless, don't even misunderstood me,I am not even a die hard fan of metal scene here ok ? Let alone being a huge fan of bands like Kahtmayan,I even have very harsh criticism on them , but just because you don't like this band or that one, you're not allowed to remove some parts of this story,you know ?
Oriental Silence has never and will be even a progressive rock band let alone having anything related to metal. You don't like implying Kahtmayan which is one of the biggest and oldest bands here but you INSTEAD OF THAT mentioned a band which has nothing to do with metal,yes you're such a cool kid.
Writing about metal scene in Iran is a very important issue, consider that many people who read this will get it as an authentic writing,all I can tell you in the end is that I wish you had searched enough before writing on this.
And I may start writing my own one, with actually a very authentic approach.
You made your point a lot more valid with the old 70's kid approach! Yes I didn't go through all of that, I went through my shit, and believe it or not, the essence was not that different, only the scene was softer and more open.
I mentioned underground shows, haven't I? why would I call out the name of a band whose live show/studio album has little to none musical appealing to me? It's my article after all, It has to reflect my opinion, hasn't it? SDS and Kahtmayan were both mentioned in Global Metal, and I think it's safe to say if someone was to judge the metal scene we have here, many people have seen that instead of reading this, so the "legacy" is safe!
And about your "authentic" writing, be sure to do that, I'll make sure I read that. I don't get why do you think this is some sort of a competition or why my writing should be a flawless walkthrough to all that has happened in the metal scene of Iran for the past 50 years or so. Its a GLANCE from AN Iranian's POINT OF VIEW, so you can have your own, all of the people who read this and disagree can and should have their own stories written and have a right to ask for them to be published. Frankly, I think the more people share their views, the better the understanding of all of us will be of the history and the situation of the scene.
I didn't write this article to promote the music, I don't get that satisfying feel in my stomach as I see a fellow Iranian mentioned in some place global, I wrote it at a midnight as a draft, ended up submitting it the next day, because it's a fun thing to do, you may disagree with my views and you have pointed them out, in your way, no please go ahead and write your own version, just for the fun of it, or maybe just to prove how idiotic I wrote, that's fine!
Oh and I don't consider myself to be a man of genius when it comes to styles, and I don't really care that much about the labels we put on music, but Prog Archives and a lot of others consider them to be Progressive, and I tend to take their words over yours, no offense!
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Oh and let it be known, I've edited my comment already before you replied to it, so you might just want to re-read it again, it's kind of refined more than what you replied to!
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Written by Mephistopholes1 on 24.07.2013 at 13:41
Oh and let it be known, I've edited my comment already before you replied to it, so you might just want to re-read it again, it's kind of refined more than what you replied to!
whatever, I'm not a huge for bands here and I say it again even I have harsh criticism on them.
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Written by [user id=130727] on 24.07.2013 at 13:48
Written by Mephistopholes1 on 24.07.2013 at 13:41
Oh and let it be known, I've edited my comment already before you replied to it, so you might just want to re-read it again, it's kind of refined more than what you replied to!
whatever, I'm not a huge for bands here and I say it again even I have harsh criticism on them.
Compared to the amount of noise they are making, they lack originality in my opinion, and the vocals they introduced recently in their songs is just artificial and imitative. I'm not saying they are bad, I'm just saying they aren't living up to the level of expectations and hype built for them by the fans. I'm awaiting the new album with the new members, hopefully they can come up with an exciting approach!
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Written by Mephistopholes1 on 24.07.2013 at 13:56
Compared to the amount of noise they are making, they lack originality in my opinion, and the vocals they introduced recently in their
songs is just artificial and imitative. I'm not saying they are bad, I'm just saying they aren't living up to the level of expectations and hype built for them by the fans. I'm awaiting the new album with the new members, hopefully they can come up with an exciting approach!
but don't forget that many global bands are repeating themselves or other bands too,only rare musicians have that certain originality.And I'm sure there will be some big changes in this scene for metal fans here.
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Written by [user id=130727] on 24.07.2013 at 14:01
Written by Mephistopholes1 on 24.07.2013 at 13:56
Written by [user id=130727] on 24.07.2013 at 13:48
Written by Mephistopholes1 on 24.07.2013 at 13:41
Oh and let it be known, I've edited my comment already before you replied to it, so you might just want to re-read it again, it's kind of refined more than what you replied to!
whatever, I'm not a huge for bands here and I say it again even I have harsh criticism on them.
Compared to the amount of noise they are making, they lack originality in my opinion, and the vocals they introduced recently in their songs is just artificial and imitative. I'm not saying they are bad, I'm just saying they aren't living up to the level of expectations and hype built for them by the fans. I'm awaiting the new album with the new members, hopefully they can come up with an exciting approach!
but don't forget that many global bands are repeating themselves or other bands too,only rare musicians have that certain originality.And I'm sure there will be some big changes in this scene for metal fans here.
I agree with you to some extent, although we see some improvements in some repetition cases, and some bands have established some sort of a signature sound if you will, so they explore through that. and the thing is, in a lot of countries, the seen has been established, and the bands, no matter how shitty they are, get some sort of revenue out of touring and contracts and merch and etc. but to be able to make an impact on the global scene from a country like this, you need to be extra creative perhaps, or have a good marketing manager.
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@Fritillaria & Shawb: Cut down on the nested quoting, would ya? There's no need to include 3+ nested quotes on each other, especially when your responses are that long.
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Written by [user id=35732] on 24.07.2013 at 23:40
Well it's a thing one usually learns as tim
e passes by, so no need to be 'mad'
Not really 'mad' about it. And Fritillaria has been here and used the forums for long enough, and Shawb admitted (in his own article) he had a previous account, so neither of them really fall into the category of "newbs". So that was just a reminder from your friendly neighborhood Staffer-man.
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Written by [user id=35732] on 25.07.2013 at 00:24
BTW, there could be some how-to-(usually)-quote -thing instruction somewhere, I'm not sure is there, but I don't remember seeing one.
FAQ: Forum and members - 1.2 - The rules of posting, second to last paragraph...
"When quoting other users, please delete any nested quotes (quotes within quotes) you don't want to comment on. If you feel you need to post a nested quote, please see to it that it doesn't go above four layers of nesting. When quoting posts containing images or videos, please remove all images and videos in your quote unless you are directly referring to the image or video. In these cases, please avoid quoting more than one item at once."
Technically the rule is not to go over 4 nested quotes, which they have not done yet which is why I didn't say anything reprimanding. But still, there really is no point in quote nesting beyond just a single quote because it just makes the page longer and looks unsightly; it can also be difficult/frustrating and slightly deterring to some users to have to muddle through such posts when the nested quotes are as long as those 2's are (took me a while to get used to and have a desire to engage in the forums, as a newer user, because of such silly non-sense).
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Written by [user id=35732] on 25.07.2013 at 00:46
Okey, I'm not totally sure was there anything about the 'nesting' previously, but I'm still Wishing (I think I have suggested this earlier) there will be a change in updating FAQ. And that change should be sending 1u message to every user whenever there's been changes to FAQ.
It's not possible because of how the notification is generated. I made this recommendation once not too long after becoming Staff. Next time you click Quote, look in the URL line, you'll notice it says:
http://www.metalstorm.net/forum/post.php? topic_id=45970&action=reply"ed_user_id=35732&message_id=840985&topic_page=1
which is what generates the 1n notification for the quoted user. We're way off topic though so if you have any further questions about it PM me directly or continue in the Quick Questions thread.
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Written by psykometal on 24.07.2013 at 23:22
@Fritillaria & Shawb: Cut down on the nested quoting, would ya? There's no need to include 3+ nested quotes on each other, especially when your responses are that long.
Wasn't really a man of forums before and neither am now, but will do!
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Written by psykometal on 24.07.2013 at 23:22
@Fritillaria & Shawb: Cut down on the nested quoting, would ya? There's no need to include 3+ nested quotes on each other, especially when your responses are that long.
alright,sorry for that.Then I edited my previous posts here.
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Written by [user id=130727] on 24.07.2013 at 13:18
but just because you don't like this band or that one, you're not allowed to remove some parts of this story,you know ?
completely true. I for one hate Venom, Hellhammer, early Bathory and they were terribly bad bands as well, but if I were to write a history about extreme metal I cannot leave those bands out because they were immensely influential. Even though they are still shit to me and loads of others they were extremely important for extreme metal.
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I really liked reading this. Thanks for posting it.
Also if any of you guys wanna know more about other countries and their views on metal
and how it fares you should watch this:
Metal: A Headbanger's Journey
the guy goes around the world and dig into the metal scene he even goes to china and all.
Anyways I found it very interesting.
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Written by Guib on 01.08.2013 at 02:52
I really liked reading this. Thanks for posting it.
Also if any of you guys wanna know more about other countries and their views on metal
and how it fares you should watch this:
Metal: A Headbanger's Journey
the guy goes around the world and dig into the metal scene he even goes to china and all.
Anyways I found it very interesting.
He doesn't do that in Headbanger's Journey You're confusing that one with Global Metal, there he goes to China and all
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Written by Guib on 01.08.2013 at 02:52
the guy goes around the world and dig into the metal scene
I think he didn't go to all the places around the world, but yeah that movie was kinda amusing to watch, I really want to do something like that someday if I ever get the chance,to make a movie about metal
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Written by Guib on 01.08.2013 at 02:52
I really liked reading this. Thanks for posting it.
Also if any of you guys wanna know more about other countries and their views on metal
and how it fares you should watch this:
Metal: A Headbanger's Journey
the guy goes around the world and dig into the metal scene he even goes to china and all.
Anyways I found it very interesting.
That was Global Metal. A Headbanger's Journey was the first part in the series.
I met the guy when he was here in India. Seemed like a cool chap. But I think it's quite hard to do a movie in under 2 hours focusing on the metal scene all over the world.
Interesting movie nonetheless. The best part was watching the Maiden show in Bangalore and knowing that you were part of that massive crowd
It's actually quite crazy that there are so many Iranians on the forum. You'd never think that so many people listened to metal there.
Same like here in India, you'd never expect there to be so many bands and so many people who listen to metal. If you compare it to the population though, it's a very small percentage that do listen to metal.
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Oh well sorry for the mistake y'all, at least you all know what I'm talking about lol It was nice to watch.
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