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Posted by +{Jonas}+, 24.09.2008 - 04:44
Once again, topic for Metallica.

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Youve been the one making the same excuse over and over again. I know its not 84. But even for 08, I still think that DM isnt an amazing album. So, why do you like it so much?

Because it's strong, agressive, fast, the solos are back, and it has SOME ELEMENTS form the old stuff. I loved ...And Justice For All so there's not really a reason for me to hate Death Magnetic. I enjoy every Metallica album, some more than others,. but DM is deffinitely in teh ones I like the most.

I mean, you can't expect that they make the same stuff they did in 83, when they were like 20 years old, when it's 2008, and they're 45 years old. Maybe they're not so skilled, maybe the album is mediocre, but since I am no musician, I can't really judge. People who bashed how "mediocre" the album supposedly is, for like 4 pages in teh past topic whould go and listen to Dram Theater or Porcupine Tree or sth. Like that, you'll find no mediocre stuff there.
06.04.2009 - 07:20
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Written by [user id=2084] on 06.04.2009 at 07:17

Maybe when they're a bit older and don't care about doing metal that much anymore?


Maybe. They have already dabbled in that style before and I've always thought that James had a great voice for that kind of music.
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06.04.2009 - 07:30
Kap'N Korrupt
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James Hetfield DID get vocal training over the years in order to have the vocals for softer material that he was probably working on in the late 80s and early 90s so anything is possible...
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06.04.2009 - 13:58
Lord_Regnier
An alternative country band named Metallica??? It would sound retarded.
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06.04.2009 - 15:41
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Written by [user id=2084] on 06.04.2009 at 07:30

James Hetfield DID get vocal training over the years in order to have the vocals for softer material that he was probably working on in the late 80s and early 90s so anything is possible...

it seems that you like metallica strongly its hard to say that "I love metallica" here at metal storm or in any other metal community , ppl think that you dont know nothin about metal but metallica. I can understand them cause every kid has a metallica album in his hand nowadays (specially after load and reload but after saint anger its a little better now ) but we cant judge other fans cause of those PUNKS.
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06.04.2009 - 16:04
Written by Lord_Regnier on 05.04.2009 at 20:23
I can't believe there are still so many people eager to see this shitty ultra commercial metal band nowadays


That makes no sense. If they're ultra commercial, surely you can understand why they're selling out arenas?

The only time I've ever seen Metallica live was in 2004, and Lars didn't show up, so they had other drummers fill in for him (Dave Lombardo, Joey Jordison and one who I forget). Of course it was last minute and the guest drummers only knew old stuff, so they played a whole set of pre-Black album stuff. If was amazing, and I'm in no hurry to see them again because I know it will be a completely different experience.
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07.04.2009 - 06:52
Arian Totalis
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They sell out arenas because A)They're legends and B) their new stuff is ultra commercial...and shitty.
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07.04.2009 - 07:49
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Written by Arian Totalis on 07.04.2009 at 06:52

They sell out arenas because A)They're legends and B) their new stuff is ultra commercial...and shitty.

lets to be a little honest. you are a huge fan of Megadeth and all of us know (I didnt like to say a fanboy!). take a look at Dave Mustaine's last video clip with Christina Scabbia, it wasnt a commercial thing? what would you all say if poor james had done it? why you dont see other bands's unmetal things? if someone likes to find somthing about a band, he can find somthin in everyband. Halford is a gay ...

IMO there are a lot of ppl against metallica and metallica cant do nothing with millions of $ to erase them or make them like metallica! but still they have true fans and puppet fans!

If I didnt like metallica I wouldnt walk into their fans area or their discussions. its such as an illness I think.

forget about commercial things cause if metallica want to create an underground Album they cant nowadays, casue ppl will find it cause METALLICA's BIGGEST COMMERCIAL THINGS IS THER FANS, and the most sad is this man. dont try to war against millions of fans just by sayin "they are commercial"cause Im sure that you dont even know what is Trading.
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07.04.2009 - 07:49
Kap'N Korrupt
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@THE_BLACK_GOD: Well...you can say you love them because you are always right there to back them up when people say stupid ignorant shit about them that isn't appropriate...I saw Metallica Unplugged once in 2001 and it was awesome...they did a lot of their earlier tunes but really slow and acoustic...it was....different...
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07.04.2009 - 07:58
THE_BLACK_GOD
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@ Kap'N Korrupt, and the most annoying things for them is to see strong fans!

have you seen Cannibal Corpse's last DVD? a god guitarist like Jack owen has bought a brand new T-Shirt of Master of Puppets just for that DVD!!! its enough for metallica.
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07.04.2009 - 20:22
Arian Totalis
The Philosopher
Written by [user id=31891] on 07.04.2009 at 07:49

Written by Arian Totalis on 07.04.2009 at 06:52

They sell out arenas because A)They're legends and B) their new stuff is ultra commercial...and shitty.

lets to be a little honest. you are a huge fan of Megadeth and all of us know (I didnt like to say a fanboy!). take a look at Dave Mustaine's last video clip with Christina Scabbia, it wasnt a commercial thing? what would you all say if poor james had done it? why you dont see other bands's unmetal things? if someone likes to find somthing about a band, he can find somthin in everyband. Halford is a gay ...

IMO there are a lot of ppl against metallica and metallica cant do nothing with millions of $ to erase them or make them like metallica! but still they have true fans and puppet fans!

If I didnt like metallica I wouldnt walk into their fans area or their discussions. its such as an illness I think.

forget about commercial things cause if metallica want to create an underground Album they cant nowadays, casue ppl will find it cause METALLICA's BIGGEST COMMERCIAL THINGS IS THER FANS, and the most sad is this man. dont try to war against millions of fans just by sayin "they are commercial"cause Im sure that you dont even know what is Trading.

Dude, never once have I denied that that move with Christina scabia was a comercial ploy, and I've never denied that Megadeth has had their shitty side in the past. If you notice in my post, I don't just say they're shitty, but I also call them legends. I mean that with the utmost sincerity, and believe it or not, I AM a Metallica fan. Everyone knows I have a preference for Megadeth, I would even go as far as to say that they are much more dignified, but just because I feel that way, all the sudden I can't be a fan of Metallica? Dude, just yesterday, before I ever knew I would be quoted in this post, I was listening to kill em all, singing along all the way through with Jump in the Fire.
I'm not fighting Metallica fans, but it seems to be how it's interpreted when I express my opinion about their newer material. Yes, perhaps I was a little bit blatent when I called them "shitty" (and I still mean that) but even when I try to be respectful I still get these fucking cult of James Hetfield followers breathing down my throat. I got love for metallica, all I was doing was explaining imo why they sell out arenas. Because A) they're legends and B) They're comercial...and imo, shitty (since 1991)
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08.04.2009 - 00:51
Lord_Regnier
I personally think Megadeth did a much better job at keeping their music metal than Metallica did since the black album, though Megadeth don't have a perfect track either. I don't consider myself as a fan of these bands (I mean I like old Metallica and most of Megadeth's stuff but not enough to be considered a steady fan) but I think Megadeth is better technically (at least since the 90s) and their songs are more enjoyable. Imo, Megadeth are not overrated, while Metallica undoubtedly are.
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08.04.2009 - 09:55
THE_BLACK_GOD
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Written by Arian Totalis on 07.04.2009 at 20:22

Written by [user id=31891] on 07.04.2009 at 07:49

Written by Arian Totalis on 07.04.2009 at 06:52

They sell out arenas because A)They're legends and B) their new stuff is ultra commercial...and shitty.

lets to be a little honest. you are a huge fan of Megadeth and all of us know (I didnt like to say a fanboy!). take a look at Dave Mustaine's last video clip with Christina Scabbia, it wasnt a commercial thing? what would you all say if poor james had done it? why you dont see other bands's unmetal things? if someone likes to find somthing about a band, he can find somthin in everyband. Halford is a gay ...

IMO there are a lot of ppl against metallica and metallica cant do nothing with millions of $ to erase them or make them like metallica! but still they have true fans and puppet fans!

If I didnt like metallica I wouldnt walk into their fans area or their discussions. its such as an illness I think.

forget about commercial things cause if metallica want to create an underground Album they cant nowadays, casue ppl will find it cause METALLICA's BIGGEST COMMERCIAL THINGS IS THER FANS, and the most sad is this man. dont try to war against millions of fans just by sayin "they are commercial"cause Im sure that you dont even know what is Trading.

Dude, never once have I denied that that move with Christina scabia was a comercial ploy, and I've never denied that Megadeth has had their shitty side in the past. If you notice in my post, I don't just say they're shitty, but I also call them legends. I mean that with the utmost sincerity, and believe it or not, I AM a Metallica fan. Everyone knows I have a preference for Megadeth, I would even go as far as to say that they are much more dignified, but just because I feel that way, all the sudden I can't be a fan of Metallica? Dude, just yesterday, before I ever knew I would be quoted in this post, I was listening to kill em all, singing along all the way through with Jump in the Fire.
I'm not fighting Metallica fans, but it seems to be how it's interpreted when I express my opinion about their newer material. Yes, perhaps I was a little bit blatent when I called them "shitty" (and I still mean that) but even when I try to be respectful I still get these fucking cult of James Hetfield followers breathing down my throat. I got love for metallica, all I was doing was explaining imo why they sell out arenas. Because A) they're legends and B) They're comercial...and imo, shitty (since 1991)

if I talked about Christina Scabbia it doesnt mean that I think that Megadeth is commerical or not even if Scabbia is a low musician. because IMO the word so called commercial is not a good phrase to be used for Arts. I just mentioned it, cause I wanted to act like you ppl and show how its bad when I finger at ppl's favor bands and say such words. whats wrong with Christina Scabbia?! opeth did somthin like it nowadays and Moonspell did it too!

but you didnt answer my question, what would ppl do if metallica did it? I think ppl would bring hell on earth! and I know why, cause ppl dont except such things by metallica, but its wrong man. metallica is as other bands but with a large number of fans, and thats what made them ppl think they are commercial or popular. Im agree with you if you are sorry cause metallica is popular nowadays. but we know that metallica dont use popular music and lyrics, but we cant shut Media's mouth, can we? Comapnies like to propagand metallica for their pockets not for metallica!!! and its not their fault. they cant say plz dont picture us plz dont print our photoes on magazines and they cant deny every intreview or ...

but if you are or were a metallica fan, its not interesting for me, I mean Im not here to make fans for metallica! its your right to love or hate metallica, but be a liitle fair even about their new works! there is somthin in your (I dont mean excatly you, yourself) head that still saying: "Metallica cant release any new good album again" and with such thoughts how can you like their new albums? you have to look at metallica today, dont compare them with 18 years old Cllif, james, lars and dave or kirk! its doesnt solve a problem. I dont say that you have to like their new stuff, I say even if you hate their new album you have to judge them fairly.
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08.04.2009 - 16:01
Arian Totalis
The Philosopher
@The_Black_God: Frankly, I don't have feelings about Lacuna Coil one way or the other, simply because I don't know enough about them. Naturally, then, I have no pre-concieved notions about Christina Scabia. However, I do know that Karma Code is different than their usual music (from what I understand of most fans, and also this from most fans:) and a commercial manouver. Just like ShadowsFall recently, and God Forbid, and Children of Bodom. This being said, I think it safe to say that the re-make of "A-Tout Le Monde" is probably done with commercial motives. I like Megdeth's teo newest albums, but ever since countdown, dave has been in it at some varying degree or other for the dollars. While not nearly as bad about it today, he still has commercial motives, especially being signed to roadrunner....

If Metallica did what? I don't understand your question. DO you mean what if metallica somehow kept an underground status?

I'm not saying that you're trying to make Metallica fans, but you were talking to me as though I hated every aspect of them. I thought I would clear up any misconceptions about this....and about the concept of commercialism, this is how I See it: When you are an artist, you work to create an expression of self. it's completely about creativity and creative outlet, and it should be done simply for the passion of it. That's what a true artist does- he or she expresses him/herself. When you begin to practice your trade simply for the sake of profit: for money, then you are no longer an artist, you become a product to be bought and sold. There is no dignity, and no honor in that. Metallica are, in my opinion, commercial sellouts. Their career has indictated a change in style for increased profits. They are commercial.

About Fairness: I have listened to all of their albums with an open mind, but everything after the black album just hurts my ears. Granted Death Magnetic is the best thing they've released since the Black album, but imo it sounds only slightly better than load. Don't tell me that i'm not judging material fairly before you know the facts....
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08.04.2009 - 17:11
THE_BLACK_GOD
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@Arian Totalis, metallica doesnt need to make somthin to sell, forget about it man. they will sell if they release anything so Im not agree with you here. Saint Anger's lyrics were very very Personal, werent th"em?

"A-Tout Le Monde" is one of Metagdeth's nice works.

"If Metallica did what? I don't understand your question. DO you mean what if metallica somehow kept an underground status?" ------> I meant if metallica did that Duet.
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08.04.2009 - 18:10
K✞ulu
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@ THE_BLACK_GOD, I don't think that there is any point in your bringing the Scabbia point. Many people would say that they hate "A Tout Le Monde" in general, and with Scabbia it's even worse. If Metallica did the same thing, there would be the same reaction - or probably a bigger one, but that makes sense: Metallica are more popular, therefore they bear more responsibility for what they do I guess.
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08.04.2009 - 18:37
THE_BLACK_GOD
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@Ktulu, have metallica permission to breath or not? or they have to ask fans and ppl?
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08.04.2009 - 18:39
Arian Totalis
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Written by [user id=31891] on 08.04.2009 at 17:11

@Arian Totalis, metallica doesnt need to make somthin to sell, forget about it man. they will sell if they release anything so Im not agree with you here. Saint Anger's lyrics were very very Personal, werent th"em?

"A-Tout Le Monde" is one of Metagdeth's nice works.

"If Metallica did what? I don't understand your question. DO you mean what if metallica somehow kept an underground status?" ------> I meant if metallica did that Duet.

Yes, and the reason why they will always sell is because of a commercial manouver that immortalized them in mainstream music by a guy named Bob Rock with the release of the black album. And yes....A Tout Le Monde is a good song......And if Metallica did that kind of duet...well, I wouldn't really care. Most people would probably be like "Ah, so awsome, their doiing a duet with a chick" and others would be like "Well, their just doing what they've been doing for almost twenty years; trying to make more money." Frankly, though, it doesn't really matter, because I could care less.
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22.04.2009 - 16:59
THE_BLACK_GOD
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Yesterday I watched, Metallica Rock N Roll hall of fame, it was very nice. I couldnt believe when I saw tears in jaymz's eyes while Flea was talkin about Cliff. and I love Lars's father and his mother too. they are really spAAcial! huhu, then when I see kirk's familly for the very first time , it was a nice ceremony. JASON was there yey. it was very great to see JASON iwth metallica again.
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24.04.2009 - 13:00
terrorist
I am so bored of all this.It's always the same they sell out or no they don't.Like they care.What is imoprtant is for the artist only.Not just for Metallica but for everyone.The art is something that can't be limited so everyone that is so frightend to play something that other people might not like feel free to expres yourself through the music anyway you want it.That is why i love Metallica.They are musicians and they play what they like.Who can tell what is for them to play???????
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24.04.2009 - 16:13
THE_BLACK_GOD
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Written by terrorist on 24.04.2009 at 13:00

I am so bored of all this.It's always the same they sell out or no they don't.Like they care.What is imoprtant is for the artist only.Not just for Metallica but for everyone.The art is something that can't be limited so everyone that is so frightend to play something that other people might not like feel free to expres yourself through the music anyway you want it.That is why i love Metallica.They are musicians and they play what they like.Who can tell what is for them to play???????

but someone think that they play what ppl want, someone think that they would release a Death Metal album if it became a Mainstream genre! this is what once Marcel said!
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24.04.2009 - 22:02
terrorist
Never the less they are great musicans and for that i respect them and love their music.I never looked that way if it is a mainstream or not,if i like their music, if it has any meaning for me (and i suposse and for many others) then it;s fine for me.And one thing so important to me is their attitude,expecialy James.Thank you Metallica for your courage to move on no matter what others might have said.And for all people goes this meesage:Keep working and creating what ever you feel that is right.For music is art without boundary.
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24.04.2009 - 23:51
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Written by terrorist on 24.04.2009 at 13:00

I am so bored of all this.It's always the same they sell out or no they don't.Like they care.What is imoprtant is for the artist only.Not just for Metallica but for everyone.The art is something that can't be limited so everyone that is so frightend to play something that other people might not like feel free to expres yourself through the music anyway you want it.That is why i love Metallica.They are musicians and they play what they like.Who can tell what is for them to play???????

That doesn't change the fact that people have the right to not enjoy something by them. Even hate it if they must.
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25.04.2009 - 11:18
terrorist
Yes you're right but you don't have to say that they sell out.They are playing whay they like and that is the fact.If someone starts to play and got famous today what will happen??Most of the people will say aaa they sell out they play it only for the money.
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25.04.2009 - 11:39
THE_BLACK_GOD
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Written by terrorist on 25.04.2009 at 11:18

Yes you're right but you don't have to say that they sell out.They are playing whay they like and that is the fact.If someone starts to play and got famous today what will happen??Most of the people will say aaa they sell out they play it only for the money.

we like to capture a band just for our owns! we cant take that we like a band who is famous! some of us has a illness of be a fan of bands which are underground and dont have a lot of fans, and it makes us happy and feel Special!
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26.04.2009 - 00:07
LeChron James
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Metallica's live shit rendition of whiplash where Newsted sings is AMAZING.
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26.04.2009 - 01:02
Lord_Regnier
Written by terrorist on 25.04.2009 at 11:18

Yes you're right but you don't have to say that they sell out.They are playing whay they like and that is the fact.If someone starts to play and got famous today what will happen??Most of the people will say aaa they sell out they play it only for the money.


Yes, they are sellouts. They sold out at the time they released the black album.

A band that simply starts to sell more and becomes more famous but still play metal that will never become mainstream because it's too heavy and aggressive can't be accused of having sold out. For example, Slayer are very well-known nowadays, much more than during the 80s, but they're not sellouts: they still play Thrash Metal and don't appeal to mainstream masses.

Metallica is a totally different case. They started to release commercial metal with the black album, they changed their style to appeal to mainstream masses and make more money. It's not the same attitude at all than old bands like Slayer, Kreator or Exodus.

In other terms, they're not sellouts only because they sell lots of albums and are very famous, they're sellouts because the kind of metal they play is among the most commercial you can find.

I don't want to start a debate over it but Lars cares so much for money he helped to close Napster, even if Metallica were already rich as Hell back then.
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26.04.2009 - 13:22
terrorist
I already told that they are great musicians and they play what they like.As for me the Load and Reload are great albums,not comercial,but great albums.You are trying to say that there is another Load album from someone else??Who would that be??Slayer is great but form sometimes boring,and i don't have to listen to them because they haven't sold out becasue they still play thrash metal.For example:I like Kreator but last three albums are for me their greates albums and some of the older fans would disagree with me.The poent is that Metallica plays music what they like and they are great musicinas with inspirationt,so i don;t mind if they don't release master of puppets 2 or whatever.
As for Lars i can admit that i am not a big fan of him.
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26.04.2009 - 15:04
K✞ulu
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Written by LeChron James on 26.04.2009 at 00:07

Metallica's live shit rendition of whiplash where Newsted sings is AMAZING.

I totally feel you on that. And his singing Seek&Destroy is also awesome.
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26.04.2009 - 16:38
jgiannettict
I Love OLD metallica!!!!
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26.04.2009 - 18:06
THE_BLACK_GOD
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Written by jgiannettict on 26.04.2009 at 16:38

I Love OLD metallica!!!!

yes they are too old!
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