Written by Immortal Plague on 17.06.2006 at 01:57
because lets say a 14 year old get pregnant if she would not get an abortion her life along with the childs would be ruined, but if in another case a married 35 year old wants an abortion just because she dosent want more then one kid, that is a crime, i agree with abortion, but to a certain extent, i think it should have an age restriction on it, like people over a certain age, becuase after a certain age you should be able to provide for yourself and your child,

Wow, wouldn't that be great!! My mom was forced to give birth to me because she was too old to get an abortion. LOL!! She was "old enough" to provide for me financially (so when we turn 35 we're suddenly financially stable?? I can't wait.) but hated me the whole 18 years. At the magical age of 35 everyone becomes a capable, loving parent. Yeah.. GREAT idea...

Again... NO ONE is in the position to dictate who gets an abortion and why and when. It's not MY job and it's not YOUR job and it's not ANYONE's job to decide this. It's a personal choice if you're ready/able to "provide" for another human being.

Written by [user id=2031] on 17.06.2006 at 07:09

Written by Susan on 15.06.2006 at 05:44

Written by decapitator on 12.06.2006 at 12:21

i think abortion should only be allowed if the woman is raped... it wasnt her choice to become pregnant and it might destroy her life... especailly if shes only a teen... but if a grown woman decides she wants an abortion because she doesnt want to raise it... i think then it should not be allowed.

While this is a popular opinion it is legally impossible. What would this law say? That you have to have your rapist convicted before you can have an abortion? Most rape cases go unsolved - but even if your rapist is arrested it takes many months to go through a trial and conviction process. The fetus would be a toddler by the time the father was finally sentenced.

So, the opposite is that any woman could get an abortion if she says she was raped. This wouldn't fly either. Otherwise there would be no point in the law.

**Abortion must stay completely legal for all women. No one is in a position to decide WHO gets one and WHY.

It's never an easy choice to make.. no one "just gets" an abortion because they don't particularly feel like having a kid right then. It's always a tough, life-altering, heart-breaking decision between the lesser of 2 evils.

Exactly. I totally agree with your post. I think this really sums up the argument on its most logical and practical level, as well as the moral side of things.

I'm with my lady on this one. it's always a tough, life-altering, heart-breaking decision between the lesser of 2 evils. That sums it up just nicely.

You will find though, that no matter how much sense you inject between the lines of this debate, you will always be fighting a losing battle against the ignorance of the world.

Cheers

& Slante Mhor

Written by Susan on 17.06.2006 at 10:08

Written by Immortal Plague on 17.06.2006 at 01:57
because lets say a 14 year old get pregnant if she would not get an abortion her life along with the childs would be ruined, but if in another case a married 35 year old wants an abortion just because she dosent want more then one kid, that is a crime, i agree with abortion, but to a certain extent, i think it should have an age restriction on it, like people over a certain age, becuase after a certain age you should be able to provide for yourself and your child,

Wow, wouldn't that be great!! My mom was forced to give birth to me because she was too old to get an abortion. LOL!! She was "old enough" to provide for me financially (so when we turn 35 we're suddenly financially stable?? I can't wait.) but hated me the whole 18 years. At the magical age of 35 everyone becomes a capable, loving parent. Yeah.. GREAT idea...

Again... NO ONE is in the position to dictate who gets an abortion and why and when. It's not MY job and it's not YOUR job and it's not ANYONE's job to decide this. It's a personal choice if you're ready/able to "provide" for another human being.

Im not saying 35 is a special age im saying that the situation at hand should be looked at before the person takes someones life.

Written by ^Necrolust^ on 14.06.2006 at 16:33

I didn't say that beavers dont have rights.I would never kill a beaver.And anyway who eats beavers? And even if you gave another example,like the chicken,we kill the chicken only in order to eat it.I would never accuse a lion if it devoured a human.But I'm against killing animals for any reason except eating.Do you think I need to explain more?

Like I said in my first post, if there will be no abortion and the child will develop normally, most likely many more animals will be killed to feed it.
Adding to that, surely it'll kill many, many insects during its further life.

Anti-abortion morality can be compared to insisting that a serial murderer should be released from prison without any restrictions. Such morality is about saving one life on the cost of many others.
The biggest difference there is that we don't treat animals as our equals. Just like men didn't consider women and children to be their equals in the past.

I think people should have the right of an abortion... I don't think that if you do it early enough it is murder... in the same sense, having sex with a condom on can be considered a murder because you are not letting s.o. get born... I think it should be up to the parents to decide if they are ready and want to have a child... That's it... otherwise there are a lot of ruined young lives and its much better to let a person to be ready to have children and than to have them instead of being a kid parrent...

I'm very twisted in this one. I feel very sorry for a kid who has got a child she doesn't want, even more when it is not her fault (e.g. rape). But I just cannot agree with an abortion.

I feel we have to take the cause of nature here. We don't have the right to mess with the system. I will probably get a lot of people who tell me that every human is boss of it's own life, and I'll tell you beforehand. I disagree. We are bosses of ourself, to a certain limit. We aren't the ones to decide about life and death.

Written by Lucas on 19.06.2006 at 22:23
I feel we have to take the cause of nature here. We don't have the right to mess with the system.

Well this might be also applied to medicine and operation. For example you have cancer and they can save your life with an operation, wuth the course of nature would be for you to die and the operation is defenetly messin with the system...
I don't think this is a very good argument, especialy cause it's based more on emotion rather than on tough and logic.

Written by marinBG on 22.06.2006 at 02:05

Well this might be also applied to medicine and operation. For example you have cancer and they can save your life with an operation, wuth the course of nature would be for you to die and the operation is defenetly messin with the system...
I don't think this is a very good argument, especialy cause it's based more on emotion rather than on tough and logic.

You might not believe me, but I don't want to be saved from cancer, if I get it.

I have no choice now to go to the dentist, my parents make me. But once I'm on myself, I'll take care of myself. (That is, if I don't fall in love with someone, whom I love more than my own philosophy)

Ok so you have deeper reasons for being against abourtion and you have a philosopy that is not so common... Of course, I respect your believes and think that you are entitled to follow them as you wish, right? I think the best argument supporting people to be free to make abourtions is the fact that way it is thier choce... the people that belive that they have the right to do this and that they want to do this can do this when they take such a decision in stead of doing it illigaly in shitty places for example... and the poeple that feel or belive or think that it is not right are not forced to take part in it in any way... and I think even the the people that are against this, because of religious reasons, do not have the right to spot other people, bacause it is just not their business and they do not have the right to impose their religios belives on others as for example the atheists are not forcing them to drop their religion or act against it... I think it only fair that way... every body is entitled to their own sins...

Written by Lucas on 22.06.2006 at 09:41
(That is, if I don't fall in love with someone, whom I love more than my own philosophy)

i need to tell you that that is a very likly thing to happen, my friend hihik

Written by marinBG on 22.06.2006 at 09:50

Ok so you have deeper reasons for being against abourtion and you have a philosopy that is not so common... Of course, I respect your believes and think that you are entitled to follow them as you wish, right? I think the best argument supporting people to be free to make abourtions is the fact that way it is thier choce... the people that believe that they have the right to do this and that they want to do this can do this when they take such a decision in stead of doing it illigaly in shitty places for example... and the people that feel or belive or think that it is not right are not forced to take part in it in any way... and I think even the the people that are against this, because of religious reasons, do not have the right to spot other people, bacause it is just not their business and they do not have the right to impose their religios belives on others as for example the atheists are not forcing them to drop their religion or act against it... I think it only fair that way... every body is entitled to their own sins...

Yes, very true. So, I don't agree with Abortion. But I know I have a quite radical opinion, of which I haven't really met a lot of agree-ers, so I'd probably vote it through though. But only for those who got raped. If you make a mistake, how said it is, but you're gonna learn to live with it.

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(That is, if I don't fall in love with someone, whom I love more than my own philosophy)

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i need to tell you that that is a very likly thing to happen, my friend hihik

I think it's already happening. *Über hypocrite*

hahaha... lets not stray too much from the topic, shall we?

Written by marinBG on 22.06.2006 at 10:40

hahaha... lets not stray too much from the topic, shall we?

No, we shouldn't.

But just to make it clear, I don't agree with Abortion, I don't agree with any intervention, but I can close my eyes when it is not a girls fault.

In my country last year the goverment, after many discussions, aproved the law that prohibited abortion in all cases no matter which is the situation of the woman. I totally disagree with this law, i really think that no one can tell a woman what to do with the baby inside her and decide that she has to have him. If a woman wants to make an abortion, as long as she is fine with her desision (since she is the one who has to carry him for 9 months and has to give him birth), she has to be able to do it in a properly way and with medical asistance. In some cases abortion may be right or wrong but it's very relative and depends on every woman's situation, I simply agree with the idea of let the mother decide, but of course after being well informed and thinking it quitely and without pressure. A baby is a very important and is a living creature but it can be easily "damaged" by parents (family, etc) who were forced to have him or accept it and are not very pleased with his existance.

and laws like this just make the girls that really want to make an abourtion, do it in shitty places and in an illegal way, probably costing them more also... So I basiclly really disapprove laws like this and I totally agree that the woman should have the choise to do this...

Written by Lucas on 22.06.2006 at 09:56


Yes, very true. So, I don't agree with Abortion. But I know I have a quite radical opinion, of which I haven't really met a lot of agree-ers, so I'd probably vote it through though. But only for those who got raped. If you make a mistake, how said it is, but you're gonna learn to live with it.

And the child has to live with it, too... Sorry, but I think it's totally stupid. Abortion does not only concern the parents but also the future child.

Written by marinBG on 25.06.2006 at 10:59

and laws like this just make the girls that really want to make an abourtion, do it in shitty places and in an illegal way, probably costing them more also... So I basiclly really disapprove laws like this and I totally agree that the woman should have the choise to do this...

You're right, some girls even try to abort alone, nice in 2006.

Written by LeDruide on 26.06.2006 at 15:17

Written by Lucas on 22.06.2006 at 09:56


Yes, very true. So, I don't agree with Abortion. But I know I have a quite radical opinion, of which I haven't really met a lot of agree-ers, so I'd probably vote it through though. But only for those who got raped. If you make a mistake, how said it is, but you're gonna learn to live with it.

And the child has to live with it, too... Sorry, but I think it's totally stupid. Abortion does not only concern the parents but also the future child.

What are you trying to say? I am against Abortion, but I think everyone has it's own right of choice. So it is not me who decides about the young kid, but the future mother.

Written by Lucas on 26.06.2006 at 15:39

Written by LeDruide on 26.06.2006 at 15:17

Written by Lucas on 22.06.2006 at 09:56


Yes, very true. So, I don't agree with Abortion. But I know I have a quite radical opinion, of which I haven't really met a lot of agree-ers, so I'd probably vote it through though. But only for those who got raped. If you make a mistake, how said it is, but you're gonna learn to live with it.

And the child has to live with it, too... Sorry, but I think it's totally stupid. Abortion does not only concern the parents but also the future child.

What are you trying to say? I am against Abortion, but I think everyone has it's own right of choice. So it is not me who decides about the young kid, but the future mother.

All right then. It was the "If you make a mistake, how said it is, but you're gonna learn to live with it." part I disagreed with. What I was trying to say was that you can't forbid aborption for a single fault and force a child to live with it too. But if you're saying the girl can decide on her own but will remember it, then it's fine. Sorry if I didn't understand well.

No problem.

Written by Lucas on 26.06.2006 at 15:57

No problem.

Dude, doesn't this statement contradict what you've been saying up to now? I don't get your point of view, really... I'm also "against" aboortion, but I'm defenetly pro for it being legal... do you think it need's to be legal, or you want it ourlawed?
If you agree that it should be legal, you're not exactly against abortion as you said, are you?

Let me try to explain it, yes, I am very twisted about this and don't really know how to translate it to words.

I feel we, as humans, cannot decide about life and death, that is way out of our league.
That is my personal opinion.

But, I can't help feeling compassion with a victim of rape, so I can make an exception for those. I cannot make and exception for one who was stupid enough to forget a condom, she (and he, of course) should carry the consequences.


Hope this helps.

condoms are also a thing that decide about life or death in some way, it's not natural

I know. Did I say something about condoms, then? I'm 14 years old, I don't even know what a condom is. >.<

As some said, abortion is a personal thing , if a couple feels like they want to have an abortion cause they dont want to raise a child its for the better of the child since his parents wont grow him up properly ...
If 2 teenagers has gotten into pragnet and has no adult support it will also be for the better to abort...

Most of the abortions that are made are mainly for the child's best care cause I dont know how good he will do if being sent to a foster family.
You should just take anyone's reason for her or thiers abortions and think to your seld , would the baby have a good life is wasnt aborted ? .! EH?

If you say that abortion is unnatural, so I must say there's a thousands of other unnatural things people do. The whole human race is so unnatural that I don't really mind if someone does an abortion. And if you think that over population (note that topic too) I would even say abortion can be a good thing.

It's the mother's choice, not ours, so fuck off and let 'em do whatever they want is what I say. Abort the entire fucking world for all I care to be totally honest.

My opinium is, well firts if I be women, and get pregnet, I probobly kill my self, yes I do it, kill my self and child, because better he dies unborn, how living in this ugly planet, I talking If I be in age 14-20 because, I dunno, i dont wanna think about it.

Now if my GF(I dont hawe no GF) get pregnet I dunno, probobly I ask here do it, yeah I know Im 20 years old or 21 but chuld no thanks. I dont want them, thay are like deasease, if I can tell about small child suck thinks, dunno, lets say i dont like them and hope I never be some child, but if my GF get pregnet, I dunno what to do if she dont do abortion, I probobly ignore her, let law decidetd, but eh what alcoholic can give to her, I mena no momney or just escape, ehh Columbia, Lybia what ever, or cut my wains, because I dont want children, eb responsible for it, ythay need something what I cant give, love, well i dunno, becaus e I dunno how it is when someone love you, love you whit out pain, and its not for child,

Abortion, well ig girl in age 15, how to say do it to sawe her own live, because her parents can killl her, but still she can give a life for child and give it to better peopole, who realy care about him,
Because I think in age 15 its to early for child, abortion are easier way, how give life for small child, about leitger after 20 hard to say, I never had been older how 21 years and some days so i can tell, but its hard, I had seen movies, eh for me easier are watching how in movies some people cut of head, or rip of herath, how real abortion, because those thinks it was terible, I get sick, so much pain, i saw how it child dunno if its write world, how he fighting for live, about live, what be full of pain and pain, well he is stupid, stupid in good meaning, because all small children are stupid in good meaning, thay dont know real world, and when thay discovered it, its too late, so better die before know how shity it is, thats my subjective opinom.

People. Ok.

Abortion is nothing more than prevention to a couple of stupid cells, who are just so happen, not somatic, but stem. Ok, so that makes them able of developing a new organism. Swell. So, abortion is allowed up to 3 months of pregnancy, which means that not a baby not an organism is killed, but a bunch of dividing cells are killed.

And please stop with ''weee but it could be a child''. Crap. I could be a wizzard too, but somehow, I'm just not. OK?

I don't care as of yet to annouce my position on the subject, but I would like to point something out.

I would argue the abortion is unfair to men, at least in the United States. Since in the US abortion is, with South Dakota as an exception, legal, and the essentially the woman's choice, a given lady can get pregnant and then ultimately decide whether or not to keep the child. Although I would like to believe the father should have a voice in the decision to abort the child, or to keep it, (since it does take two to tangle) he legally does not. If the woman wants to keep the child, or get rid of it, the man does not have any real legal recourse to save the child, because, after all, "it's the woman's body."

So I present the scenario of a man and a woman who have a good ole time, do the dirty deed, and oopsy, now have a kid on the way. If our man says abort it, but the woman says no, the man is royally screwed, in that he has to make a descision: A, marry the old broad and raise a kid for 18 years, or: B, pay child support for 18 years, or for 22 if the child goes into college later.

If we reverse the situation however, the woman can pay a flat <insert cost of abortion here> and be done with the whole ordeal.

Written by Semíramis* on 28.06.2006 at 00:44

condoms are also a thing that decide about life or death in some way, it's not natural

you wanna say sex whit out condom is better, how whit it . Dont agrie, ehh then better live whit out sex, how be responsible for planty of chuldren what even dont want, yeah but man can hid soemwhere, but women dunno, after 3 chiuldren I think she be tired of all.

Written by ^Necrolust^ on 12.06.2006 at 04:10

Written by NECURATU on 12.06.2006 at 00:22

Why would a healty mother kill her child? For fun is good enough a reason. And I really don't see it as murder. I mean, if aborting a foetus is called murder, i think eating beavers (random example, signature was there) is something just as worse.

In your opinion, a fetus is not a human? Well then how come in 2nd month of pregnacy it is shaped?Damn open some books,see some abortion pictures and then come again and say that killing a fetus is not a murder.

Well than if I kill alian its not murder

Answering about why mothert wqant kill her own child, probobly she thinks it sbetter for her or child, is she are some kind a whore, or sick whit some kind a deasese, prtobobly child even wont survibe lomger how 10 yaears, or be killed in streat, so easier kill whyle its unborn how burry him,

There are many many reason why mother can kill her child,

I know its hard watch when someone what you realy love dies, so thats why I better want die before my parents dies,