How can "The black album" be on top on a "Worst metal failure" list??? it is just absolutley retarded to compare them to them self and to their previous works in a worst metal failure list, actually the way i see it no one is in the possision to call anything a failure based upon their own taste, i mean i can think a band suck and if i do i say it out loud, but then i say "I think this band suck" not "THIS band suck"

Written by RockeRoy on 30.08.2009 at 02:22

How can "The black album" be on top on a "Worst metal failure" list??? it is just absolutley retarded to compare them to them self and to their previous works in a worst metal failure list, actually the way i see it no one is in the possision to call anything a failure based upon their own taste, i mean i can think a band suck and if i do i say it out loud, but then i say "I think this band suck" not "THIS band suck"

Agreed. This thread is too biased. Things can only be deemed as failures based on separate opinions and never as a whole...

Written by [user id=2084] on 30.08.2009 at 06:32

Written by RockeRoy on 30.08.2009 at 02:22

How can "The black album" be on top on a "Worst metal failure" list??? it is just absolutley retarded to compare them to them self and to their previous works in a worst metal failure list, actually the way i see it no one is in the possision to call anything a failure based upon their own taste, i mean i can think a band suck and if i do i say it out loud, but then i say "I think this band suck" not "THIS band suck"

Agreed. This thread is too biased. Things can only be deemed as failures based on separate opinions and never as a whole...

and the original piece is... gasp... an OPINION piece. and every subsequent response on this thread is also opinion. what's the fucking problem?

FAILmetal is no more unacceptable than our rating or review systems, no? each of them is strictly opinion based upon the singular bias of the reviewer.

we have FAILURES on this site that hand out 10s and 1s like they were aol discs.

music is not a hard science and thus cannot be qualified in any form of objective manner. it's all subjective and biased. if you cannot deal with it, well, you should avoid metal sites, metal mags, and ignore the opinions of anyone you come into contact with who talks metal. for they are biased as well.

Written by -tom- on 30.08.2009 at 00:00

It's really got to be bands that were once great but then really got it wrong. ...

That makes me think of Absurd as well.

SO that also leaves out Absurd imo

Written by BitterCOld on 30.08.2009 at 10:51

Written by [user id=2084] on 30.08.2009 at 06:32

Written by RockeRoy on 30.08.2009 at 02:22

How can "The black album" be on top on a "Worst metal failure" list??? it is just absolutley retarded to compare them to them self and to their previous works in a worst metal failure list, actually the way i see it no one is in the possision to call anything a failure based upon their own taste, i mean i can think a band suck and if i do i say it out loud, but then i say "I think this band suck" not "THIS band suck"

Agreed. This thread is too biased. Things can only be deemed as failures based on separate opinions and never as a whole...

and the original piece is... gasp... an OPINION piece. and every subsequent response on this thread is also opinion. what's the fucking problem?

FAILmetal is no more unacceptable than our rating or review systems, no? each of them is strictly opinion based upon the singular bias of the reviewer.

we have FAILURES on this site that hand out 10s and 1s like they were aol discs.

music is not a hard science and thus cannot be qualified in any form of objective manner. it's all subjective and biased. if you cannot deal with it, well, you should avoid metal sites, metal mags, and ignore the opinions of anyone you come into contact with who talks metal. for they are biased as well.

All i'm saying is that i think a lot if metal heads don't think about other peoples opinion of a band they think sucks, but if they do... fine. But then show some respect for other peoples opinions by using the words "I think" and not Just They suck!!! i love to discuss bands and shit with a metal head with another opinion and different taste... that can be alot of fun, but just saying they suck becasue they changed or something... I don't Like that.. thats my opinion though:)

And this big sellout issue.. an exampel i think many uses is Metallicas "Black album" what about all the metalheads that thinks that is the best album ever... do we consider us truer Metalheads than them or something becasue we like it oldschool? and then we got the Metalcore thing...

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.08.2009 at 11:57

Written by -tom- on 30.08.2009 at 00:00

It's really got to be bands that were once great but then really got it wrong. ...

That makes me think of Absurd as well.

SO that also leaves out Absurd imo

Oi! I stopped listening to what you had to say when you said IX Equilibrium was better than In the Nightside Eclipse.

Written by BitterCOld on 26.08.2009 at 23:43

i am surprised at the lack of Megadeth, however, on the list and think that "Countdown to Extinction" should be #2... it was every bit the commercial move that the black album was, only it came directly after the fantastic "Rust In Peace".

Countdown to Extinction and Youthanasia were both pretty good though. It'd be Cryptic Writings that most people would consider to the be the end of megadeth (or 'Risk'). If you read the sleeve notes to the remastered versions of Countdown and Youthanasia then you can see that Dave Mustaine was quite keen on becoming an MTV star but it's hard to hate him for that when the albums are still fairly good.

I think the 3 well known songs off the Black album were good but the rest of the album is boring as hell. That's quite a step down in quality from Master of Puppets.

Written by -tom- on 30.08.2009 at 14:42

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.08.2009 at 11:57

Written by -tom- on 30.08.2009 at 00:00

It's really got to be bands that were once great but then really got it wrong. ...

That makes me think of Absurd as well.

SO that also leaves out Absurd imo

Oi! I stopped listening to what you had to say when you said IX Equilibrium was better than In the Nightside Eclipse.

@BitterCOld: Yeah, I guess as long as someone can back up their opinion as to why the album was a horrible failure with an educated post then it's completely fine

It's just that many posters over the years simply type '_________ sucks' (not exactly in that form and not exactly in this thread) and that's it...

The list simply very subjective....

Written by BitterCOld on 26.08.2009 at 23:43

i am surprised at the lack of Megadeth, however, on the list and think that "Countdown to Extinction" should be #2... it was every bit the commercial move that the black album was, only it came directly after the fantastic "Rust In Peace".

I agree, but I think what the writer had in mind was that Metallica failed (as a band) and hasn't really recovered. I like to think Megadeth started to recover after Risk and have put out a couple good albums since then.

Iced Earth-the glorious burden
metallica-the black album
both albums suck, and brought each band to another shit dimension...although IE is good again though

Written by -tom- on 30.08.2009 at 00:00

No point in having a never-ending list but what about Mayhem? Maybe we can consider them an exception as someone else took over songwriting.

Heh, Grand Declaration of War indeed.

Written by [user id=8724] on 31.08.2009 at 21:32

Written by -tom- on 30.08.2009 at 00:00

No point in having a never-ending list but what about Mayhem? Maybe we can consider them an exception as someone else took over songwriting.

Heh, Grand Declaration of War indeed.

Here's weird me again I think that is an absolutely brilliant though very un-Mayhem album

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 31.08.2009 at 22:12

Written by [user id=8724] on 31.08.2009 at 21:32

Written by -tom- on 30.08.2009 at 00:00

No point in having a never-ending list but what about Mayhem? Maybe we can consider them an exception as someone else took over songwriting.

Heh, Grand Declaration of War indeed.

Here's weird me again I think that is an absolutely brilliant though very un-Mayhem album

What -tom- said earlier, haha.

Written by [user id=8724] on 31.08.2009 at 22:18



What -tom- said earlier, haha.

I could have known that one was coming
Btw I also prefer Satyricon after Nemesis Divina to their early work.
Immortal's newer work to old work as well.
Dimmu Borgir old over new though
Burzum I find to be overrated crap generally.

So one could safely say I am weird in that respect

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 31.08.2009 at 22:25

Written by [user id=8724] on 31.08.2009 at 22:18



What -tom- said earlier, haha.

I could have known that one was coming
Btw I also prefer Satyricon after Nemesis Divina to their early work.
Immortal's newer work to old work as well.
Dimmu Borgir old over new though
Burzum I find to be overrated crap generally.

Couldn't agree more with you about Satyricon and Immortal
these 2 bands made great metal albums in their "newer" era
what Immortal did in their last release was utterly brilliant , and also Satyricon's Volcano is one of their finest

I consider Ancient Dreams by Candlemass a huge fail. Sure, it's not as shitty as Metallica's s/t album, but it's a huge step down from Nightfall.

Some failures in my opinion:
Metallica - Load, Reload & St Anger, (suprise suprise)
Judas Priest - Ripper Owen albums. (great singer and a fantastic band but those two albums are really true failures)
Edguy - Rocket ride
Blind Guardian - A twisth in the myth
Sonata Arctica - Unia
Ozzy - Down to earth & Black rain

Written by Dangerboner on 01.09.2009 at 09:47

I consider Ancient Dreams by Candlemass a huge fail. Sure, it's not as shitty as Metallica's s/t album, but it's a huge step down from Nightfall.

I agree, I bought it two years ago and haven't listened to it all the way through more than two or three times. It's not atrociously bad or anything, but it's not particularly good either and there isn't really any reason to listen to it if I can listen to Epicus or Nightfall instead. The artwork is nice though.

Yeah, Tales of Creation is pretty awesome (the riff in Dark Reflections will hurt your feelings), but Ancient Dreams is just a failure. The only time I listen to that album is to hear the Black Sabbath medley

Another album that I think is a fail is Into the Pandemonium by Celtic Frost. Now, I know a lot of people like that album and it's definitely not bad, but it's nowhere near as good as To Mega Therion.

Written by Dangerboner on 01.09.2009 at 15:02

Another album that I think is a fail is Into the Pandemonium by Celtic Frost. Now, I know a lot of people like that album and it's definitely not bad, but it's nowhere near as good as To Mega Therion.

Certainly not as good as "To Mega Therion" but also certainly not a failure for me. Though I can see why some fans might think so, it is very... original, and some songs gives us a hint of what Celtic Frost would come up with afterwards: The horrible "Cold Lake"! Now THAT'S a failure for me, even "Vanity/Nemesis" deserves to be on that list.

Written by Dangerboner on 01.09.2009 at 09:47

I consider Ancient Dreams by Candlemass a huge fail. Sure, it's not as shitty as Metallica's s/t album, but it's a huge step down from Nightfall.

Ancien Dreams is a failure?:nogood: C'mon...I agree that it is not as good as Nightfall but songs like "Mirror Mirror":banger:, "Bearer of pain", "Bells of Acheron" and the great cover "Epistle no.81" arent exactly failures....there are far worse failures then that I think.;)

Fuck no. Mirror, Mirror is the beginning of the fail - even the band hates that album.

Written by Dangerboner on 01.09.2009 at 16:11

Fuck no. Mirror, Mirror is the beginning of the fail - even the band hates that album.

Tales Of Creation is imo certainly the beginning of the fail and not Ancient Dreams.
The failure Tales Of Creation started was helped on further by VI

Leif (not the band) might not like Ancient Dreams but that doesn't mean a thing... look at Metallica they still defend ALL the crap they have released since Master Of Puppets.

Wtf? I liked Domination.

Written by -tom- on 30.08.2009 at 14:42

Written by BitterCOld on 26.08.2009 at 23:43

i am surprised at the lack of Megadeth, however, on the list and think that "Countdown to Extinction" should be #2... it was every bit the commercial move that the black album was, only it came directly after the fantastic "Rust In Peace".

Countdown to Extinction and Youthanasia were both pretty good though. It'd be Cryptic Writings that most people would consider to the be the end of megadeth (or 'Risk'). If you read the sleeve notes to the remastered versions of Countdown and Youthanasia then you can see that Dave Mustaine was quite keen on becoming an MTV star but it's hard to hate him for that when the albums are still fairly good.

I think the 3 well known songs off the Black album were good but the rest of the album is boring as hell. That's quite a step down in quality from Master of Puppets.

Not sure how i got quoted twice on this thread without receiving a notification.

I'd argue that "Countdown" is every bit the abomination that "The Black ALbum" was, if only worse in a way.

Coming from "RIP" the songs were much simpler, much more mainsream radio friendly (it got tons of eMpTy Vee play)...

where it's worse is it was released following "Metallica" - so whereas their move to a more commercially friendly sound was done perhaps as a gamble (will this take off? what if the mainstream still doesn't like it and we alienate our existing fanbase?), MegaDave's move could be construed as a calculated move to cash in as well based upon the success of "Metallica".

i don't know your personal history with Megadeth, but as someone who got into the band with a "Peace Sells" cassette in the mid-to-late 80's and who really love "RIP", "Countdown" is pretty much neck and neck with "Metallica" as the single greatest musical disappointment I've ever purchased (Machine Head's "Burning Red" and Carcass "Swansong" complete the four biggest "I cannot believe I pissed away $18 on this album when I could have put the money to better use by getting and swallowing 1800 pennies instead" list).

for fans of the band after the fact, to whom pretty much every album of the band is a retroactive listen, i imagine the reception is considerably different.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 31.08.2009 at 22:25

Dimmu Borgir old over new though

That's not just you... Everyone with ears should see that the uninspired stuff they did later is nothing compared to the first two albums. That music is the real Dimmu Borgir to me.

Written by BitterCOld on 01.09.2009 at 19:39

Not sure how i got quoted twice on this thread without receiving a notification.

I'd argue that "Countdown" is every bit the abomination that "The Black ALbum" was, if only worse in a way.

Coming from "RIP" the songs were much simpler, much more mainsream radio friendly (it got tons of eMpTy Vee play)...

where it's worse is it was released following "Metallica" - so whereas their move to a more commercially friendly sound was done perhaps as a gamble (will this take off? what if the mainstream still doesn't like it and we alienate our existing fanbase?), MegaDave's move could be construed as a calculated move to cash in as well based upon the success of "Metallica".

i don't know your personal history with Megadeth, but as someone who got into the band with a "Peace Sells" cassette in the mid-to-late 80's and who really love "RIP", "Countdown" is pretty much neck and neck with "Metallica" as the single greatest musical disappointment I've ever purchased (Machine Head's "Burning Red" and Carcass "Swansong" complete the four biggest "I cannot believe I pissed away $18 on this album when I could have put the money to better use by getting and swallowing 1800 pennies instead" list).

for fans of the band after the fact, to whom pretty much every album of the band is a retroactive listen, i imagine the reception is considerably different.

I don't really care about the bands motivation or whether it's more radio-friendly if the end result is good. Black album had 3 decent tracks (That maybe I only like through listening to them prior to really getting into metal) and a bunch of stuff I don't listen to. I listen to Countdown... all the way through. It wasn't as good as RIP but that doesn't stop me enjoying it. I'd imagine I would have been disappointed if I'd been around at the time but surely you could argue the same about Metallica. Why do younger metal fans generally dislike later Metallica and whinge about them being sellouts but not Megadeth? I'd say it's because even when it's clear that they were going a bit soft, they were still good. Also, Metallica went from releasing an album of proggish thrash to dumb rock music. Maybe Megadeth's change seemed a bit less abrupt so didn't polarise opinions as much.

But opinions are like arseholes and I don't like using general consensus to prove a point.

I just dont agree. i saw the list and i dont see a fucking reason why pestilence and morbid angel are there. even the black album isn't that bad. it's just too mainstream for what metallica where in those years.