@Bitch Boy. First, you gotta put a translation in your signature. You're gonna get in trouble for that.

Second, good point. I would name them 'Classical Metal', but don't know if that covers it.

Written by [user id=5431] on 04.06.2006 at 00:39

Power metal MUST have primarily clean singing to be power metal (3 Inches of Blood should die) otherwise it's mellodeath

furthur proof that "melodic death metal" has nothing to do with death metal here.

@Nervel. Thanks for the advice. Anyway, it was just a lyric from Mägo de Oz.

You can still have the original one in your sig. but you need an English translations with it. And, no problem.

@Nervel: thank you man, but I rather prefer the one I'm using at this moment.

I've a couple of bands concerning to this thread. What do Cadaveria play?? And what about Cacophony??

Cacophony. Some sort of speedy/heavy. But I don't consider Speed a genre on itself, so I'd call it Heavy.

Never heard of Cadaveria.

would you call norther viking metal?

Nope, just as Children Of Bodom, Wintersun etc. I'd call them Extreme Power, just as MS labels them.

I know they're both power metal but do Sonata Arctica and Stratovarius really cout as symphonic metal too as I've seen a lot of places give them that additional label.

Symphonic? Where is the symphony in them? I can clearly hear the Sympho in bands such as Cradle Of Filth and Dimmu Borgir, who bring along a key-player with a very big and 'in-front' sound. But Sonata and Strato use it more as an instrument.

Ok, that must have sound weird to you, but I hope I could get my point across.

Just wanted to check as there are quite a few sites that credit them so.

Written by Lucas on 14.06.2006 at 21:38

Never heard of Cadaveria.

She was the vocals in Opera IX for a long time, and she made a solo project in 2001, in wich she mixes sympho black with some doom.

Written by Daru Jericho on 15.06.2006 at 16:24

I know they're both power metal but do Sonata Arctica and Stratovarius really cout as symphonic metal too as I've seen a lot of places give them that additional label.

no this is nonsense, symphonic means that there are influences from classical music in it

Ok. You gave him the answer then.

Written by Lucas on 15.06.2006 at 20:59

Ok. You gave him the answer then.

Her XD

Yeah, just checking. It's like how people hear violins in metal and immediately say it's symphonic. I guess that's what some people might think about keyboard in power metal or something?

Written by Daru Jericho on 15.06.2006 at 21:47

Written by Lucas on 15.06.2006 at 20:59

Ok. You gave him the answer then.

Her XD

Yeah, just checking. It's like how people hear violins in metal and immediately say it's symphonic. I guess that's what some people might think about keyboard in power metal or something?

Oops. My bad. *slaps itself like an emo*

Hehe, it's ok (and I had no idea emos slapped themselves, but that's a different matter )

Written by Daru Jericho on 15.06.2006 at 21:47

Written by Lucas on 15.06.2006 at 20:59

Yeah, just checking. It's like how people hear violins in metal and immediately say it's symphonic. I guess that's what some people might think about keyboard in power metal or something?

well if there's a violin in it, it is most often symphonic,
how the keyboards are used CAN make the music symphonic, for example the keyboards in Nightwish sound quite symphonic, however there is nothing symphonic about Sonata Arctica and Stratovarius

Written by Bas on 15.06.2006 at 23:39

Written by Daru Jericho on 15.06.2006 at 21:47

Written by Lucas on 15.06.2006 at 20:59

Yeah, just checking. It's like how people hear violins in metal and immediately say it's symphonic. I guess that's what some people might think about keyboard in power metal or something?

well if there's a violin in it, it is most often symphonic,
how the keyboards are used CAN make the music symphonic, for example the keyboards in Nightwish sound quite symphonic, however there is nothing symphonic about Sonata Arctica and Stratovarius

But regarding the violin, I wouldn't asy bands like The Sins Of My Beloved or Elvenking are symphonic, Like the keyboard, it depends on how it's utilized.

Written by Daru Jericho on 15.06.2006 at 23:51

Written by Bas on 15.06.2006 at 23:39

well if there's a violin in it, it is most often symphonic,
how the keyboards are used CAN make the music symphonic, for example the keyboards in Nightwish sound quite symphonic, however there is nothing symphonic about Sonata Arctica and Stratovarius

But regarding the violin, I wouldn't asy bands like The Sins Of My Beloved or Elvenking are symphonic, Like the keyboard, it depends on how it's utilized.

i'm not sure about The Sins Of My Beloved i only listened to them once and thats quite some time ago, so i cant be sure here, but about Elvenking, i agree they clearly arent symphonic despite the use of violins, but hey, i said most of the time

Violins often makes a difference while cathegorizing bands.... Not always symphonic, sometimes folk or nothing at all...

True. They're used in Funeral Doom too.

yeah..you need a whole LOT of violins and stuff to be symphonic imo..

Written by Destryphior on 17.06.2006 at 15:48

Violins often makes a difference while cathegorizing bands.... Not always symphonic, sometimes folk or nothing at all...

There actually even was a thrash band from the Netherlands that used violins and even saxophone. Unfortunately the band isn't active anymore ... the band's name is Blind Justice and their first full-length is called Sax & Violins. If you like off-beat thrash try to get hold of it.

Ok this is probably slightly off topic....but I have a question about Melodic Black metal and whether its actually a fitting way to describe a band...

Yesterday I talked to one of my friends and he kinda lost his mind when i refered to Melodic Black Metal since he said Old Man's Child (and such) are Norsecore and that Melodic Black Metal actually doesnt exist because Black Metal is such a specific genre. Thing is..on no site that ive been on have I ever heard any band being refered to as Norsecore or Fagoth (or whatever) not even here on MS. He told me that its incorrect to call bands Melodic Black and it annoys him when ppl say that - so whats the right terminology then?

The right termilogy is to stuff a suck in his mouth.

Melodic Black is a far better term then 'Norsecore'.

Norsecore? I've never heard of that word before but I think melo black is a much better name and far more widely used.

I know that many disagree with me but I actually think that Cradle of Filths first albums are Melodic Black metal, so I would say that there is a genre called Melodic Black metal.

And all of you who disagrees about the Cradle of Filth thing, don't quote me since I wont change my mind about it.

Yeah me neither....and I have a big hate of anything with "core" in it Norsecore sounds so fuckin american

Me too, untill I discovered Grindcore!!!