Whoever said that fetus is human at 2 months of pregnancy: it is human, if it's a human fillian. What if it's any other mammal? Gosh, mammalian fetal develpoment is the same. And btw, abortion is a problem that discusses whether you kill a living being. And a fetus at 2 months is not a freakin living being. A living being is living when it's able to breath by itself. By the time of 3 months, till abortion is allowed, the little bitch hasn't even grown lungs, the brain consist only of primar telencephalon forming vesicles, digittaion merely starts. And so on. The development of organic systems, which includes all the essential inner organs, as well as full formation of extremitas, skin, eyes etc. begins after 2 months. And that kind of being is not able to survive by itself whatsoever.

So, I guess it's not us who need books.

Written by Bad English on 09.07.2006 at 18:44

Written by Semíramis* on 28.06.2006 at 00:44

condoms are also a thing that decide about life or death in some way, it's not natural

you wanna say sex whit out condom is better, how whit it . Dont agrie, ehh then better live whit out sex, how be responsible for planty of chuldren what even dont want, yeah but man can hid soemwhere, but women dunno, after 3 chiuldren I think she be tired of all.

i was only refuting the opinion of the one before me

Written by Semíramis* on 11.07.2006 at 21:44

Written by Bad English on 09.07.2006 at 18:44

Written by Semíramis* on 28.06.2006 at 00:44

condoms are also a thing that decide about life or death in some way, it's not natural

you wanna say sex whit out condom is better, how whit it . Dont agrie, ehh then better live whit out sex, how be responsible for planty of chuldren what even dont want, yeah but man can hid soemwhere, but women dunno, after 3 chiuldren I think she be tired of all.

i was only refuting the opinion of the one before me

I just was reding not so cerefuly previusly posts, so ...

Because everybody deserves a chance in life.

Written by ^Necrolust^ on 13.07.2006 at 01:26

Because everybody deserves a chance in life.

Even if chance be full of pain, and all crappy thinks and even if life is so damn shitty than better die, even then?

Written by Bad English on 13.07.2006 at 02:18

Written by ^Necrolust^ on 13.07.2006 at 01:26

Because everybody deserves a chance in life.

Even if chance be full of pain, and all crappy thinks and even if life is so damn shitty than better die, even then?

I agree with what she said; everybody deserves a chance in life. What does it matters if at the first stages of the human development we are living beings or not, we are potential human beings and, once an ovule is fertilized, it should be allowed to develop into a human being and be part of this World. As long as there is life there is hope (I once heard or read that). This is very true, life may not be easy for immense majority of people and within those people some may suffer even more than others but life is full of possibilities, chances that could take those problems away and lead to a better life. I ignore what lies there after life but, with the possibility of no existence, I would prefer to experience what is life once.

We are found in times when abortions are performed as easy and without hesitation as if we would be going to the dentist to take a tooth out. I am against abortions but not because some religious belief of any kind but because of it is how I see things and I would like them to be.

In these times we see girls getting pregnant for having sexual relationships and they resort to abortions in order to keep enjoying life and not getting such a "burden" over their shoulders as raising a child could be. Fine, if you don't want to spend your youth taking care of your son or daughter there is no problem, but at least have the decency of letting that human being live and give it in adoption; sex has consequences and people should realize this.

Dart Satanous

In not in moode prove that if child dies before birth its be better, or if he dies week old its better for him, becaus enothink is so good in this plaet why he shood live and what he shood feel, tase, because well better die werry young how die old and alobe and louly

About sex, yes its concequances, but its still great and well it depend where, random sex, its easier dont know if you become father whit gf dunno what then, can help you still no girl hawnt say k7 I had child from you and hope itv never hepens, I dont want hear that Im fater, evem from wife,(If I be wife) even from women by what Im together 20 years(boring, I dont belove so long realatio ship) so I dont need children, I dont want them

Some of you guys need a bullet in the head
seriously
Youre not killing anything when you have an abortion, stop fucking saying that
I know of people who have killed themselves after an abortion, just because people made her feel guilty about it.
And its so easy for you men(or in this case boys) out there to judge, to have an opinion, be carefull
you have never been in the situation, you never will be, and if you knocked a girl up you could just (blame it on the next guy and )run of, without being accused of killing anything.
Do people know how harsh that is?
Being pregnant when its not planned has got to be the worst thing. I thought i was once. It was a living nightmare, i had used protection and everything, but theyre never 100%. I always said personally i would never be able to have an abortion, that i couldnt do that, but when i actually was stuck in the situation i was thinking differently and i dont blame ANY girl who has one.

And someone back heres said a fetus had the potential of becomming a living being... I really hope you don't masturbate.

Some of you guys need a bullet in the head
seriously
Youre not killing anything when you have an abortion, stop fucking saying that
I know of people who have killed themselves after an abortion, just because people made her feel guilty about it.
And its so easy for you men(or in this case boys) out there to judge, to have an opinion, be carefull
you have never been in the situation, you never will be, and if you knocked a girl up you could just (blame it on the next guy and )run of, without being accused of killing anything.
Do people know how harsh that is?
Being pregnant when its not planned has got to be the worst thing. I thought i was once. It was a living nightmare, i had used protection and everything, but theyre never 100%. I always said personally i would never be able to have an abortion, that i couldnt do that, but when i actually was stuck in the situation i was thinking differently and i dont blame ANY girl who has one.

And someone back heres said a fetus had the potential of becomming a living being... I really hope you don't masturbate.

Niflhel About bullet in heda, lets say Im thinking about it sometimes, but better 50 bullets from old TommyGun in chests

Personaly i dont make guilty nobody and if some in street say, you XXXXX what you done, its posible get true, but if parents, probobly siucide are best, or left country, town, but moustly mother can say it to daughter, after abortion. Im not a juge and Im not saying nothing, I realy dont care about peoole what i dont know personaly.

You wanna say its 100 man faulth, well its women faulth too, if she didnt want sex that time nothing didnt hepen, and yes for man its easier, Even if i was women I dont want childer, because Im was/am child and know how it is for parents, easier are living whit out them.

About planing chikdren thay arent in my llans for next 100 years

I never had blame girl who do it, I know 2 girls who has mother since 16 and I remebr how one feel in school when sha had child, in school strange she discovere it after 6months when was drunk and fall from stairsand broke arm, I remeber how she feel in school specely when all was saying bitch,

I agree protection cant be 100% safe, 100% are only dont do it or be lesbian,

Masturbating - So whay I had so many grammer mistaces, wtf I doing all time

I never said the pregnancy was the guys fault. Its usually boths, unless its rape.
But its easier for a guy to leave his responsibility than a girl. If the girl left the baby she would go to jail, the guy wouldnt if he left the girl and the baby. Im just saying a pregnancy is so much easier on the guy.

Written by [user id=14742] on 15.07.2006 at 15:18

I never said the pregnancy was the guys fault. Its usually boths, unless its rape.
But its easier for a guy to leave his responsibility than a girl. If the girl left the baby she would go to jail, the guy wouldnt if he left the girl and the baby. Im just saying a pregnancy is so much easier on the guy.

bouth I agree if ithay are copple, but ifits random sex in club, and guy see her firts time how he can know about her, he probobly had sex and forgot her, probobly never see, I think its more girls faulth how man, but dunno.

In Norway you shood go to jail if left baby :0

Here no you can left him , (if you left in street, wood, boilding, then yes and ig you kill then too) but after birth you can give, left it in hospital then country,govremant will take care about it, well some women get prgnet her almoust each year, feed child 2 yera sget money from govrement and left him when thay dont pay so much and maek enw once, how I hate them.

P.S. About Rape read PM.

Written by Bad English on 15.07.2006 at 13:45

Dart Satanous

In not in moode prove that if child dies before birth its be better, or if he dies week old its better for him, becaus enothink is so good in this plaet why he shood live and what he shood feel, tase, because well better die werry young how die old and alobe and louly

About sex, yes its concequances, but its still great and well it depend where, random sex, its easier dont know if you become father whit gf dunno what then, can help you still no girl hawnt say k7 I had child from you and hope itv never hepens, I dont want hear that Im fater, evem from wife,(If I be wife) even from women by what Im together 20 years(boring, I dont belove so long realatio ship) so I dont need children, I dont want them

Do you believe that old people are meant to always be alone at the last days of thjeir lives? I don't think it has to be this way in every case. Of course, if you cannot develop an attachment with other people, such attachment that will endure for the rest of life, you will indeed end up alone. That means you would ask a woman who carries your child to commit abortion, don't you?

Written by [user id=14742] on 15.07.2006 at 14:05

Some of you guys need a bullet in the head
seriously
Youre not killing anything when you have an abortion, stop fucking saying that
I know of people who have killed themselves after an abortion, just because people made her feel guilty about it.
And its so easy for you men(or in this case boys) out there to judge, to have an opinion, be carefull
you have never been in the situation, you never will be, and if you knocked a girl up you could just (blame it on the next guy and )run of, without being accused of killing anything.
Do people know how harsh that is?
Being pregnant when its not planned has got to be the worst thing. I thought i was once. It was a living nightmare, i had used protection and everything, but theyre never 100%. I always said personally i would never be able to have an abortion, that i couldnt do that, but when i actually was stuck in the situation i was thinking differently and i dont blame ANY girl who has one.

And someone back heres said a fetus had the potential of becomming a living being... I really hope you don't masturbate.

"Excuse me while I kill myself, I blow my brains out unto the wall, see you in Hell"

A death is always something to mourn about. If that person decided to take this life after what she/he (you don't specify so?) it means that they must have had their doubts about what they did. I would blame the way the people around them took the situation if they were influencing them in having that guilt too. I would sound cold in my statements here but we are in a forum discussing about a topic so the way I express myself here differs of how I would talk about the topic with someone under a situation like this.

If you ever took my words as something partial it must have been a mistake because I direct myself to women since they are the ones that have the last word when committing an abortion.

I would never do a thing like that. If a lady claims that she is carrying a son or daughter from mine I would see that he/she sees light in this World and, thanks to Science, in any case of doubt it only takes a DNA test in order to set everything clear. If a man does otherwise he is just a sad excuse for a man.

It isn't as if having a child is the worst nightmare that a human being can have. A child can bring much joy to a person. It may not be easy to raise a child but what is easy in this life (aside from getting laid and feel free of guilt about the consequences)? Yes, protection is not one hundred safe so knowing this should be enough for you to consider the consequences. It is like throwing yourself into the water with your favorite blouse and then complain about it getting wet.

All this that I say may sound perfect but there is a reality and it is that what I desire is something idealistic that will not happen since real life goes independent of ones wishes and not everyone has the responsibility or the empathy that we would like to desire (this because of several factor that we can discuss endlessly that range from society's state, customs, age, etc.).

But you indeed brought a good point here, something that I mentioned in the previous thread at the MSv2 but that I did not brought right now for I bet that it would go unread again. It is so hard to discuss about abortion when it comes to a woman that was raped. Rape is such a horrible act, taking advantage of the physical strength of a man to subdue a woman (in this case) and force her to have relationships against her will. When it comes to these situations, how someone can go past that women suffering in this matter? She did not ask for having relationships, she did not do anything in this act and they not only have to bear the scars of having this in their memories but they even get to carry the seed of that experience. I have known of cases where the women that got raped decides to keep the baby and even in some cases raise him/her as if they were asked and planned to be, I have nothing but admiration for those women and it is something idealistic that we would like to happen; but what about when a woman does not want to have the child? It is a hard situation indeed.

And someone back heres said a fetus had the potential of becomming a living being... I really hope you don't masturbate.

I saw this coming from a mile away. The difference is that when an ovule is fertilized it is a fact that a human will develop and spermatozoids are far from being in this development.

Youre not killing anything when you have an abortion, stop fucking saying that

Yes, you may be right. If Mrs. Niflhel would have committed abortion 19 years back nothing would be lost today, right?

(or in this case boys)

Thanks for that, I feel younger all of a sudden.

well you can give it away for adoption, but if you just leave it wihtout putting any efort into seeing that it gets in good hands (like the guy could do) then you are screwed,

Written by Darth Satanious on 15.07.2006 at 17:35

"Excuse me while I kill myself, I blow my brains out unto the wall, see you in Hell"

A death is always something to mourn about. If that person decided to take this life after what she/he (you don't specify so?) it means that they must have had their doubts about what they did. I would blame the way the people around them took the situation if they were influencing them in having that guilt too. I would sound cold in my statements here but we are in a forum discussing about a topic so the way I express myself here differs of how I would talk about the topic with someone under a situation like this.

You never know where you will find people in the situation. So unless you dont give a flying f if you hurt/upset/offend people, then go right ahead.

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If you ever took my words as something partial it must have been a mistake because I direct myself to women since they are the ones that have the last word when committing an abortion.

I would never do a thing like that. If a lady claims that she is carrying a son or daughter from mine I would see that he/she sees light in this World and, thanks to Science, in any case of doubt it only takes a DNA test in order to set everything clear. If a man does otherwise he is just a sad excuse for a man.

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A lot of guys are like that, trust me.

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It isn't as if having a child is the worst nightmare that a human being can have. A child can bring much joy to a person. It may not be easy to raise a child but what is easy in this life (aside from getting laid and feel free of guilt about the consequences)? Yes, protection is not one hundred safe so knowing this should be enough for you to consider the consequences. It is like throwing yourself into the water with your favorite blouse and then complain about it getting wet.

In my situation it would have been a very bad thing, sure i would have managed, thanks to a supportive bf and parents that i knew would have helped me out in any way they could. But unfortunately not everyone are as lucky as me.

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All this that I say may sound perfect but there is a reality and it is that what I desire is something idealistic that will not happen since real life goes independent of ones wishes and not everyone has the responsibility or the empathy that we would like to desire (this because of several factor that we can discuss endlessly that range from society's state, customs, age, etc.).

But you indeed brought a good point here, something that I mentioned in the previous thread at the MSv2 but that I did not brought right now for I bet that it would go unread again. It is so hard to discuss about abortion when it comes to a woman that was raped. Rape is such a horrible act, taking advantage of the physical strength of a man to subdue a woman (in this case) and force her to have relationships against her will. When it comes to these situations, how someone can go past that women suffering in this matter? She did not ask for having relationships, she did not do anything in this act and they not only have to bear the scars of having this in their memories but they even get to carry the seed of that experience. I have known of cases where the women that got raped decides to keep the baby and even in some cases raise him/her as if they were asked and planned to be, I have nothing but admiration for those women and it is something idealistic that we would like to happen; but what about when a woman does not want to have the child? It is a hard situation indeed.

And someone back heres said a fetus had the potential of becomming a living being... I really hope you don't masturbate.

I saw this coming from a mile away. The difference is that when an ovule is fertilized it is a fact that a human will develop and spermatozoids are far from being in this development.

Youre not killing anything when you have an abortion, stop fucking saying that

Yes, you may be right. If Mrs. Niflhel would have committed abortion 19 years back nothing would be lost today, right?

(or in this case boys)

Thanks for that, I feel younger all of a sudden.

You said that if something has the potential of becomming a living being... well, spermies do.
It's not killing, i wouldnt have been lost because i would never have existed, i think its as simple as that.

oh, and, youre welcome thats me, always trying to make people feeling good about themselves...
But yeah, the average age of the guys in her seems to be fairly low

@Niflhel:

You never know where you will find people in the situation. So unless you dont give a flying f if you hurt/upset/offend people, then go right ahead.

I did not offend anyone. I expressed my stance over all this.

In my situation it would have been a very bad thing, sure i would have managed, thanks to a supportive bf and parents that i knew would have helped me out in any way they could. But unfortunately not everyone are as lucky as me.

That is right but in those other hard situations one should try to evade those so called calamities over us instead of crying when they happen.

You said that if something has the potential of becomming a living being... well, spermies do.
It's not killing, i wouldnt have been lost because i would never have existed, i think its as simple as that.

They die even when trying to look for a baby. Millions die while only a lucky one survives but it is the merging of a sperm cell and an ovule is what result to become life.

oh, and, youre welcome thats me, always trying to make people feeling good about themselves...
But yeah, the average age of the guys in her seems to be fairly low

I have to admit that I did not feel too good when you put me as a cold hearted asshole up there but it is all good.

Darth Satanious Do you realy belive in love?
Dint get what you try to say, but about women who carying my childe, I hope it never hepens and I dont ask her nothing if she dont want, but lets say I wont be good father, in me are hate, how can I be fahher when I hate chid, maybe hate isnt wright name, but I dunno how to say in english and you belive to realationship man I dont, I hawe seen in my life anought, P prefere stay alone, etliest no pain, and I had seen other examples too, so man I prefere be alone, if only girl want eb whit me all life, but man Im to poor and realtionship man it rakes time, how I wil discovere new bands
And when people who ''realy'' love each other start hate each other, ewhat hepen whit small child brains, what he see, probobly he thinks all is his fault and wants die

Niflhel Im to lazzy read all quote, but good sad

Written by Bad English on 15.07.2006 at 18:24

Darth Satanious Do you realy belive in love?
Dint get what you try to say, but about women who carying my childe, I hope it never hepens and I dont ask her nothing if she dont want, but lets say I wont be good father, in me are hate, how can I be fahher when I hate chid, maybe hate isnt wright name, but I dunno how to say in english and you belive to realationship man I dont, I hawe seen in my life anought, P prefere stay alone, etliest no pain, and I had seen other examples too, so man I prefere be alone, if only girl want eb whit me all life, but man Im to poor and realtionship man it rakes time, how I wil discovere new bands
And when people who ''realy'' love each other start hate each other, ewhat hepen whit small child brains, what he see, probobly he thinks all is his fault and wants die

I believe that love do exists; it is just hard to make it corresponded but this is independent of love itself. What I said is that if you cannot develop a good relationship, either friends, loving partner, family members, etc, you are bound to be alone but if you can then I see no reason for being alone, except that a cruel fate awaits you were all your loved ones die.

You say that there is something that wouldn't allow you to be a good father, right? If you realize this then you just need to work it out, become a better person. I don't know what you have gone through but there is always a way for making things better.

I do believe in relationships, I really do, but I do believe that they ae possible, a hard thing to achieve and to maintain but possible. Perhaps you are looking for love in a wrong place?

That is something unfortunate but, as everything, it has a solution. If a child is being raised in such an ambience then he/she is needed to be taken away from that harmful environment; that is all. We won't be aborting everyone just in an effort of evading this, are we?

it is quite coldhearted to condemn someone who has an abortion, i find. Not saying you do, ofcourse, but i know there are quite a few out there who are either ignorant or just plain cold.
And i do belive that people who arent in the perfect situation to get a child should be able to enjoy the many pleasures of sex aswell.

Darth Satanious True love dont existe and we can discuse it in Love tread, because this si different tread. But anwering your quastens, about family, its mother and father(sisters/broters whyle are child dont counts, and family are family good/shity, its not metter, if you merry girl, she wont be ''real' family, but child be, but for me family are well lets go beck to old good Chicago.
About friends I use to be friends, maybe hawe dunno, but seems when Im out of money thay lets say try forgot contact whit me, even those friends what i think are best, change when get firts pay for fucking job,

Realationship well I had sene enought, I know it shit and I hate it, ok if she can love me for all live,(exept are if I die, she can go to other, if wants) then yes, but Im isck of thos ebreak up after year, 2, I love fater 2 years I hope you die bastard, Im sick of it, I better be alone, lonley but dont feil pain, and dieing alone well geting older more booze and by by life, easy

Me father lests say I cant change, I cant be better person, lets sya ebing father, you need idol, what coppy, an I dunno what to coppy and in me are, not hate but dunno what, and I dont want how my chuld see thos eshit what hepens here, so but still I wont be good father, and I dont even want.

Realationship, probibly Im in wrong country, town and time, and I dont search love, and realationship because I had sean ENOUGHT how cruel are realaitonship, and well Im lil bit ''insane'' and if people has problem bee together whit lil bit ''diferent'' people its not my faulth, I wont do and say on my knoes pleaee go whit me to cinema, ok k7 I go but go true forest, nobody cant see us, I stil must live here.

Niflhel About Plasere of sex, some peoole can be afraid enjow all what sex can give, becaise of be afraid of child or just are dunno afraid of trying it, age whit completyly strager and for begginers or young people can be lil be afraid of it, or just for soem people who in his firt sexual realationship get pregnet/are father, thay maybe dont wanty it anymore, or just someomne say something after it, people shood neot eb afraid of enjoy sex in diferent sitautions, places, thay shood try it.

@Niflhel:

I think there isn't more I can further say in this matter.

@Kariasakis7:

I think I would need to know several things before answering, as I would like to, your post. There are things that I would need to know like what happened to you, what you saw and/or what conclusions you had about some matters in order to see things in your own way, as we all do. Because of things like this, it is almost impossible to follow you in every sentence because I have to understand how you see things by separate in order to be in "the same channel".

Yes, perhaps we are going off-topic with this, all this, but this will be my last post in this matter in order to avoid one of those kvlt warnings in my profile.

First, as I started saying in the first paragraph, we have to see what we both consider to be true love so that we can discuss about the same thing. Let us say that I have faith that true love exists but I haven't been able to find that other half yet and disillusions have crossed my path as well. I still believe that love is possible, with time it converts into something else since, like most of them, our interest change with the times and that passion and desire turns into companionship. This is what I believe but, since I haven't aged and thus haven't experienced it, I cannot give it for certain. A discussion about this would lead me to consider your views, anyone's views as possible until time runs ahead and I get to find myself with an answer, not speculations.

One thing I do see from your post is a possibility of you not having a "good" father figure in your life; correct me if I am wrong. I think that the first step there is realizing that, the way your father raised you was not appropriate and that you shouldn't repeat that treatment with your children, if you were to have any by chance. Unless, you are telling that what in reality happened to you is that you never had a father to begin with. If that is the case, then I believe you should find someone who can help you resolve these feelings you have and which can help you to see things in a more positive way. Here in my country we have professional who can help for free so money is not a problem but I don't know if it is the same thing there in yours.

I find curious how you describe yourself as "insane". An insane person does not know that he is insane, he just thinks that his ways are more than normal (not that I am thinking you consider yourself insane at all). So, if you do consider that some behaviors that you are having are not appropriate, then you just need to work them out and it will be fine. You can achieve a number of things if you put your mind to it.

I know what you say about friends, I have seen how those so called friends part from you and leave with time. But I cannot blame them entirely for I know that some things in my personality tend to drive people away and I am currently working on it. Now, I ignore if something similar happens to you or if you are just found circled around assholes in your life.

I see that you have considered the possibility that in your life have just not crossed the right people and that love may just be found "somewhere" else. That can be a possibility. Now, I think that, as long as you have this negative view of life, you are having the predisposition of earning a failure in your relationships since you are already "throwing the towel" before trying. This means that, perhaps, you will need to work the attitude you are having towards things in order for them to turn better.

P.S. After re-reading this post I realized that it isn't as off-topic as I thought.

Darth Satanious Ok I know its out of topic, but I will answer to it, and if we wanna continue talk about it lts make other tread dunno title.
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What hepening whit me, just not nothing and a lot of, in past nothing specleal, and a lot of shit, well Im wierd and isnane an my philosophy Im discovering it eewery day and I discovere something new about me even now.
About following in my sentence, if its grammer SORRY, if its lkek msitery, its be like my pics, and and how I see things, and ewhy i say all tyhis, well we need some 20 litres of Tequilla and its even not enought to say all what i want say/screem say what you want

About love we can discude in love tread, but true love dont existe, love dont existe, ok it existe if your good and your cat will love you in that case yes, but in humans, people love dont existe, maybe it existye in begining of century, but not nowdays, people love only money, work, money, love and hate are sitsers/brotters and if you love someone it means hate him, lets say if we take people who all live has spend in forest, if we take hom in civilization, he wont love nothing, he hates it and want go back, so love dont existe and people only use other people becaus ethay has something what thay hawnt, moustly money.

Being father(seems closer topic) father shood love his child, so love dont existe how he can be good fahetr, some father better give chulkd money how spend time whit them(thank good my family was poor), being good father, you need good mother and you can not devoursing hope say corect, even what it takes, mery her, if ha schildren live all life whit one women, ok you can use other girls but not how one girl one time(in night even 5 if you can) and I even let it to my wife(hope I never get merry), about child, he knows if perents pratend, or if its true love, so if he(child) see somthing wrong, he thinks why, maybe I(he) is faulth and start living in its own world, lither he lowes it and ''real'' world)if it existe) be something diferent and living in own world, ite be reasoen why he cant be good father, ok he cxan but then kill mother, but chiuld nee dboutrh and 2 peopel cant live in same worlds.
My father when I was you, who teach me banging, pakly football, drink wine, he even let me wath porn when I was in age 14, and alowed dont sleep in night and now he evenm alowed me siting home whit out working,so...thank's him.

Insane ok Im normall all others are insane, Im wierd if you see me you will know why,not see but live togehter sometime, lets say id ont like go oustide where are a lot o peopek and same time I like and I like talk whit my self, and Im wierd, it s all Im wierd, i dont let poeple inside in me so offen, I can get into yoyr mind, i can see wha people are cruel, evel when I lock(moustly women) but I dont ket nobody close, and inside in me, stop whne you do it thay raoe you from inside, stop.

About my freindsw ell soem 10 palls are in world soemwhere hiding from army, even its ower thay live there and wont come beckk, soon I leave this place too.
Well how you call people who call you, go ganginf around weh I can pay for bottle of Jeck daniels in day, but when I hawent do it wait till thay call, Im still waiting
Im not so much people about what I contact, maybe fiew, but thay are''thay'' diferent, thay dont live in my world. Thay are diferent, who more care sabout money, house and fast crrs, how about searching meaning of live, and almoust all think Im wierd. so Im use to it.

Live i hate it we die, no mether in age 4, 30, 60 or 100 we die, Type O Nogative ''Everything Dies'' one of my fav songs, so I live live and Im not afraid of live, and about love in other county, well i had been in Sweden 3 times its much easier cominicate whit people even whit girls/women and people more cares about you how money, so But I hate realationhip, if you working, and if you had gf, no time for MS and stuff so better I live in MS And MA how spend moust day whit gf, because maybe its only temporaly love, i prefere one night stand.

P:S. People dont make me read this and corect mistaces its hartd going treu this about quoting and talking I can contunue

@Kariasakis7:

Love can exist from a person to another person. A relationship won't have always happiness surrounding it, this is something certain, but it is due to the fact that, when one loves another person, we are concerned about that person and things that she/he does affects us in positive and negative ways. For example, a teenage girl wants to go to a show late at night but her mother does not want her to go to that show because it is not only late but the place where she would head to is surrounded by what she considers to be dangers; at the end the girl is not allowed to go there and she is really upset with her mother by keeping her from going there. The girl may be really upset and wouldn't even want to direct her words towards her mother but this are just immediate feelings she is having for not being allowed to go there. Now, two days later her mother suffers an accident and is found in the hospital in a critic condition. Do you think that she still cares for not being allowed to go to that show? She grieves her mother's suffer. We human beings aren't perfect (well there is no perfect being I would say) and we tend to forget things by the expense of the moment, things that are heavier than trivial things like this and which we unfortunately get to remember when it is too late.

Now, this example was possible because they, the girl and her mother, developed a relationship in their lives, they got to have bonds in their lives which were made of good experiences of the past and of a mutual care which was started, of course, by the mother. But, what if this bond does not come to be? A mother and a daughter/son are not bound to feel love between them unless care, concern is involved in their relationship. If this does not happen love cannot bloom between them. Moreover, if there are only bad experiences between both the daughter/son and the mother/father, we will have only hatred or, possibly indifference between one for the other. These bad experiences can be maltreatment, negligence which can be shown by some kind of indifference or hate from the mother to his/her son/daughter, scorn and even by the absence of her/him in the house. I would say that the responsibility of creating this love in a father/mother-son/daughter relationship falls, at least in the beginning, in the father's and mother's shoulders since they are the ones who have to demonstrate that love towards us in order for us to give it back, unless the child is a born son of a bitch that no matters what they do he/she won't develop that caring for them.

So I know that an unwanted child can be born in an environment were he/she wouldn't receive love but I still think that, in this case, giving the child in adoption would be the best thing to do. It is something idealistic, something that I would like everyone to think about: giving that son to be born being a chance of experiencing life and come to his own conclusions, live his own experiences. But of course, this is something that not everyone believes in; some just find an abortion as an easier way of getting rid of the "problem".

Regarding your view of love these days, I cannot see why love cannot exist these days as you say. I know that in our times we are forced to have a way of life needs to be paid, in difference to early times of our civilization but still love can blossom out of all this materialism. I remember seeing a movie (in my ancient times) based in real events of life. This movie was about a young couple whose relation was not seen well, by some reason which my mind ungrimly keeps to itself and hides from me, by their parents. They decided to leave their houses and married. Later on they were found with any money and in a desperate situation where the chick was sick. In a desperate measure the man decided to prostitute himself for some men in order to take her to a hospital and afterwards she was taken there. I know of other stories were similar things have been done in the name of love. I don't know about you but this seems to be an act of love to my eyes.

Of course, this is not what happens in every case. We still have people who are more interested in other things beside love. But what can we do about this? Nothing I think. But there are still people who are looking for a soul mate with whom pass the rest of their lives. You say that love does not exist? I think differently. I believe that love can exist but it can die, disappear by different factors which are too many to mention (considering the length that this post already has). So love can blossom but in order for it to endure it must be stronger than the obstacles that present in its path. I personally wish for finding a girl (still looking lol) with whom I can have children (of our own or adoption, if by any case having them by ourselves is not possible), grow old (because I want to live a long life and still listen my metal, if possible [I just had a Sentenced's Everfrost video flashback lol]) and get to see my grandsons beating the shit out of other people in a moshpit. lol

So you are more than happy of how your father treated you, right?

So you do have good friends, those other people are just opportunists and they are found everywhere. You indeed got to have friends but your country and the army got in the way of that relationship between you. In other circumstances you would be with them and perhaps you wouldn't be all alone at the last days of your life.

Then it is only you that do not feel as having a commitment, having a relationship. This, as I mentioned before, predisposes you into not allowing love to appear in your life. Now, let us see how much you can fight it. lol

P.S. I think that we are still in topic but, if you think otherwise, feel free to answer this post in that other thread you mentioned.

Written by Darth Satanious on 18.07.2006 at 09:45

@Kariasakis7:

P.S. I think that we are still in topic but, if you think otherwise, feel free to answer this post in that other thread you mentioned.

I answer to it in Love tread because its more related to love how abortion here is link
http://www.metalstorm.ee/forum/topic.php?topic_id=415

Personaly speaking, i have two children. They where alive inside me reyling (sp?) on my protection. I remember feeling them move and there little hickups. Its a connection you cannot understand until you are pregnant yourself. Some people even having this experience are still able to disconnect them selves from there child. It takes a pretty cold heart to do so that or adolescent ignorance. Reading through some of the posts i remeber feeling disconnected from the whole thing before i had children, now i feel very differently. I morn the child i killed out of ignorance. I hope i meet her someday. I do feel there is a place for it though. There are lots of reasons why people get them and some are very lagit. It comes down to your rights as a woman. It is your body and to make it not legal would be wrong in my opinion but partial birth abortions? No fucken way! If you have carried the baby that long there is no reason why you couldnt have it and give it up for adoption..in my opinion.

and for those people that give birth just to throw there babys in dumpsters..why put the energy into throwing them into the dumpster when you could just anonymously drop it off at a fire station or church or something i never got that.

Written by [user id=14995] on 18.07.2006 at 18:17

Personaly speaking, i have two children. They where alive inside me reyling (sp?) on my protection. I remember feeling them move and there little hickups. Its a connection you cannot understand until you are pregnant yourself. Some people even having this experience are still able to disconnect them selves from there child. It takes a pretty cold heart to do so that or adolescent ignorance. Reading through some of the posts i remeber feeling disconnected from the whole thing before i had children, now i feel very differently. I morn the child i killed out of ignorance. I hope i meet her someday. I do feel there is a place for it though. There are lots of reasons why people get them and some are very lagit. It comes down to your rights as a woman. It is your body and to make it not legal would be wrong in my opinion but partial birth abortions? No fucken way! If you have carried the baby that long there is no reason why you couldnt have it and give it up for adoption..in my opinion.

and for those people that give birth just to throw there babys in dumpsters..why put the energy into throwing them into the dumpster when you could just anonymously drop it off at a fire station or church or something i never got that.

I didnt understan dall what you ay there was some worlds, what i shood lock to dictionary,
reyling
hickups

About protection, I dont say, because when I was young I never think about it, but maybe if mother(who cares child inside) loves this unborn child, probobly child feils safe, so safe that I dont know if he even will feel so safe in world and life, but iff she dont lovs him/her only cares because, parents dont alowed abortion or just some other reason, child dont fiel protectin, probobly want doie or brake out and he never fiel safe even after 40 years after birth, about women wright eb mother she hs same wright how man be a father, and about fieling, just woundering how man fiels if his wife, gf cares his child, for me those fealngs are unknow, and hope be uncknow forever, and how child fiels for example if father dont love him, he fiels it?

Agree about better bring child to church, left near bank, hospital, or somewhere where soemone can find him, or kill him, if can because maybe its be better how lying in street, because it change him to all live and soemtimes death are better

I have met plenty of people who were unwanted pregnancys including myself that are wonderful people and would be a damn shame if they where to never had gotten a chance. True you do go through a little more hardships but so is life... you can overcome them and live a wonderful life and be all more the wise.

I think thats what you where saying.. Am i mistaken?

Written by [user id=14995] on 18.07.2006 at 18:54

I have met plenty of people who were unwanted pregnancys including myself that are wonderful people and would be a damn shame if they where to never had gotten a chance. True you do go through a little more hardships but so is life... you can overcome them and live a wonderful life and be all more the wise.

I think thats what you where saying.. Am i mistaken?

Avout Pregnancy, you need lil bit what give to child, some place where stay, some clotes and lil' bit food, if you hawe no it, or you can give it for some reasons, I dont think its best time for children, for women in that case are harder, for men lil bit easier, I know only ione girl who has child after rape, and she ha schanged, and I dunno nothing more, I hawnt sen her 3 years and she discoceret it when was in 6th month I think and it was to late for abortion, and even if pragnacy has unwanted, then child needs bouth parents, and no devourse, one copple for life, and I dont belive in wounderfull life if you had chuod, its not for me, I dont belibve in thinks like that

Whether abortion is or isn´t the right thing to do depends on the situation the child would be after its birth. A 15-year-old can hardly provide the child balanced living when she´s still a child herself. And still there are those teenage mothers who have raised perfectly healthy, happy and good behaving children. Maybe it depends on the character of the mother. Some girls are more mature than others in that age.

If a woman gets pregnant and knows that she can´t give the child good home and the love it needs, I think abortion is an option. Many people think that she could aswell give the baby to adoption after its birth, but after carrying the baby for 9 months it´s not that easy to just give it away. The situations where I think abortion should be allowed are when the mother is very young or very old, the baby has a severe disability, one gets pregnant after being raped or the family where the baby would come already has many children. But I don´t understand those well-to-do couples who just want to get rid of the baby even though they would have every chance to give it a good life.

Every woman should know their responsibility though. Every time one has sex there´s a possibility to get pregnant. Even if one uses condom.

One should never judge those women who end up doing an abortion. It´s enough hard without other people´s cruelty. I´m sure every woman who has had an abortion remembers it for the rest of her life and sometimes thinks that she could have a 5-year-old son or daughter now. Some women regret it and some are reliefed.

All in all, I understand those people who think that abortion is a murder, but I still think that the baby´s future is what counts.

Written by Ernotar on 24.07.2006 at 00:15

Whether abortion is or isn´t the right thing to do depends on the situation the child would be after its birth. A 15-year-old can hardly provide the child balanced living when she´s still a child herself. And still there are those teenage mothers who have raised perfectly healthy, happy and good behaving children. Maybe it depends on the character of the mother. Some girls are more mature than others in that age.

If a woman gets pregnant and knows that she can´t give the child good home and the love it needs, I think abortion is an option. Many people think that she could aswell give the baby to adoption after its birth, but after carrying the baby for 9 months it´s not that easy to just give it away. The situations where I think abortion should be allowed are when the mother is very young or very old, the baby has a severe disability, one gets pregnant after being raped or the family where the baby would come already has many children. But I don´t understand those well-to-do couples who just want to get rid of the baby even though they would have every chance to give it a good life.

Every woman should know their responsibility though. Every time one has sex there´s a possibility to get pregnant. Even if one uses condom.

One should never judge those women who end up doing an abortion. It´s enough hard without other people´s cruelty. I´m sure every woman who has had an abortion remembers it for the rest of her life and sometimes thinks that she could have a 5-year-old son or daughter now. Some women regret it and some are reliefed.

All in all, I understand those people who think that abortion is a murder, but I still think that the baby´s future is what counts.

Agree about situation, if mother are child her self, how she can be mom' ? She is still child and when she be 20-22 child be 5-7 years old, and well girl want go parties and hang around. Child? go whit her, or what, women in age 22 shood still anjoy life, but child in age are to young, and she still are not ready care about child, Im not in age 21, i think Im 21 years old,

Agrie is she comes from poor or bad familty where mamber sit in jail, or she cant give child even clotes and watter better do abortion, and it depends from person,soem can kill 10 women and say ehh If I can I kill more, soe can not its like muredrs, soem moters can givce child away, some cant. Soma can kill peopleasy, some cant sheeot when even are danger.

I dunno if its alowed do abortion if person are younger how 18 in latvia whit outr parents permison, but are underground hospitals, and places where some guy do abortion and its even cheeper, but after it moust of girls hwas some health problems, its no good quality

About old, well if women are not to old for sex she can be mother, I dont hawe opinium in to old case.

Agrie about sex each time when you hawe it tou can get child, but 98% ondoms are safe, so its chance test how luck you are, and even if condom are hol ein it it dont emna you get child, it can be,

I dont juge them

I read that best sprma for make child are after 2 weeks, so people who hawe sex ewery day or 4 times in week are less chace get pregnet how for those who ha sonce in year(only if thay masturbate ewery day )