Written by [user id=23805] on 22.08.2008 at 02:29
Ya-know the discussion is good and I don't want it to dissolve to petty accusations, but your thinking is completely irrational. There are no RIGHT reasons to be interested in metal. Opinions are fine but what I'm talking about is not an opinion. Most of us wish metal were an elite club where only "cool" (subjective term) people are allowed to hang out (of course that includes me and anyone else who shares my musical inclination), but to say that metal has a problem just because it's fans don't all share the same opinion is ridiculous.

Written by [user id=23805] on 22.08.2008 at 02:29
At what point in time would you have metal stop evolving? 1986? 1996? 1970? At any time in metal's lifespan you'll undoubtedly find bands that you think are misrepresenting the genre, but without them we wouldn't have the wide array of great bands that we have now - every piece is essential. And there ARE more great bands now than there were 20 years ago.

Written by [user id=23805] on 23.08.2008 at 09:49
Jesus man, the simple fact that there are more bands making music is all I need in order to show that there are more great bands.

Written by [user id=23805] on 23.08.2008 at 09:49
I'm not even trying to convince you that your opinion is wrong, it isn't. But saying things like "Honest interest is better for metal than superficial fascination." doesn't do anything for your argument. That statement, along with the one after it, is floating in mid air. How can you say that these circumstances of "Honest interest" and "Superficial Fascination" are anything but time and place specific facts? Honest interest is not always going to be better for metal. There were a lot of conservatives in the 80's and early nineties who were "Honestly Interested" in banning metal from the world. That's not a very beneficial stance now, is it?

Written by Metalbound7 on 20.11.2008 at 20:49

To all people that is complaining about Nu Metal and NWOAHM. WTF all of you used to listen before getting into the True Metal? or you born listening to Slayer and Iron Maiden?. Nu Metal is perfectly fine with me, why?, well i hate the music of bands like Slipknot or Bullet for my Valentine, but people start listening to those bands and a year later they start listening to bands like Megadeth, Opeth, Judas Priest , etc. I personally start listening first to bands like Korn and Linkin Park when i was 12 yo. now im a Die Hard Metalhead.

This is why i support Nu Metal 100%, its apportation to the Metal Scene is so huge but we never think about that.

Written by totaliteraliter on 20.11.2008 at 22:18

Written by Metalbound7 on 20.11.2008 at 20:49

To all people that is complaining about Nu Metal and NWOAHM. WTF all of you used to listen before getting into the True Metal? or you born listening to Slayer and Iron Maiden?. Nu Metal is perfectly fine with me, why?, well i hate the music of bands like Slipknot or Bullet for my Valentine, but people start listening to those bands and a year later they start listening to bands like Megadeth, Opeth, Judas Priest , etc. I personally start listening first to bands like Korn and Linkin Park when i was 12 yo. now im a Die Hard Metalhead.

This is why i support Nu Metal 100%, its apportation to the Metal Scene is so huge but we never think about that.

Think about this: without numetal, all the record label money that goes (or more accurately went) towards pushing it on the public could go to quality metal bands instead. Don't praise music just for its inflated popularity.

Written by Metalbound7 on 21.11.2008 at 00:37
Or they could go to support to Britney Spears. the 90's is the worst decade for Metal in terms of popularity. Nu Metal came into Scene and Metal popularity began to grow again, not just Nu Metal bands but Quality Metal bands too.

Written by totaliteraliter on 21.11.2008 at 04:39

Written by Metalbound7 on 21.11.2008 at 00:37
Or they could go to support to Britney Spears. the 90's is the worst decade for Metal in terms of popularity. Nu Metal came into Scene and Metal popularity began to grow again, not just Nu Metal bands but Quality Metal bands too.

Two things: history has shown that there is a certain market for heavier music beyond the "scene" - initially this market was satisfied by bands like Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, etc. But then labels realized that there were alternatives that were simpler and even more marketable, easier to push around and quickly shape into (more temporary) market forces: glam, nu metal, etc. So were we to do away with the popular metal alternatives I don't think it's too far fetched to suppose quality metal would have a better chance at success (whether this is good or bad, of course, is another issue entirely).

And the other thing: I would be curious to see if you can actually demonstrate that metal was least popular in the 1990s and that furthermore nu metal had anything to do with a supposed increase in popularity in this decade.

Written by Metalbound7 on 21.11.2008 at 18:44
Two things:

1st: the term "sold out". Of course there's a certain market for heavier music, that's the reason Metal exist. But is easier to people to start with easy listening music. That's the main reason why some great bands get sold out. Because they want more money and easy coming fans. When you are like 12 yo and start listening to music you search for something easy and fast to get into. 12yo guys start listening to things like Punk, Slipknot or worst, not things like Symphony X. Then they learn and start getting into good music.

Kids are so contaminated with all the society bullshit so if you come to them with a Slayer album they just gonna shit their pants scared and will go moaning to listen to some Simple Plan. They need a middle point (Nu Metal, NWOAHM, Metalcore, Punk, etc.), like a bridge to reach the true glory of Metal. The process to be a Metalhead is Methodic like all in this life.

2nd: i don't need to demostrate what actually is a fact. Heavy Metal, Hard Rock and Glam Metal dominate the mainstream in the 80's, then came Nirvana and Grunge to get all the popularity at the early 90's. Nu Metal recover the Metal mainstream succes at the late 90's and early 2000's. you can chek this here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal

Written by totaliteraliter on 21.11.2008 at 20:33

Written by Metalbound7 on 21.11.2008 at 18:44
Two things:

1st: the term "sold out". Of course there's a certain market for heavier music, that's the reason Metal exist. But is easier to people to start with easy listening music. That's the main reason why some great bands get sold out. Because they want more money and easy coming fans. When you are like 12 yo and start listening to music you search for something easy and fast to get into. 12yo guys start listening to things like Punk, Slipknot or worst, not things like Symphony X. Then they learn and start getting into good music.

Kids are so contaminated with all the society bullshit so if you come to them with a Slayer album they just gonna shit their pants scared and will go moaning to listen to some Simple Plan. They need a middle point (Nu Metal, NWOAHM, Metalcore, Punk, etc.), like a bridge to reach the true glory of Metal. The process to be a Metalhead is Methodic like all in this life.

2nd: i don't need to demostrate what actually is a fact. Heavy Metal, Hard Rock and Glam Metal dominate the mainstream in the 80's, then came Nirvana and Grunge to get all the popularity at the early 90's. Nu Metal recover the Metal mainstream succes at the late 90's and early 2000's. you can chek this here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal

As you seem to have little if any idea what you are talking about, I'm likely to abandon this discussion soon. There is plenty of accessible, "easy listening" metal. Ever heard of Iron Maiden? Or Black Sabbath? Hell even Symphony X, they're a pretty popular band among neophytes not much less accessible than Dragonforce. You think "punk" is something kids listen to before they start getting into good music? And you aren't talking about the popularity of metal, you're talking about the popularity of mainstream heavy music (i.e. this isn't about metal's popularity fluctuating, you're talking about mainstream heavy music trends coming and going which may or may not have anything to do with the popularity of metal proper).

Written by LeChron James on 24.09.2008 at 05:49

i despise the second wave of american metal. i think its way too cookie cutter and that every band wants to be either all shall perish or lamb of god.

Written by Dangerboner on 04.12.2008 at 01:14

Written by LeChron James on 24.09.2008 at 05:49

i despise the second wave of american metal. i think its way too cookie cutter and that every band wants to be either all shall perish or lamb of god.

Hey, I like cookies shaped into delightful little shapes. Why can't you say they're too green beans?

Written by [user id=33474] on 04.12.2008 at 09:34

Ok i think its making to much geners and im afraid that in the time ill have kids there will be 132 kinds of metal X))

Written by AntaeusM on 08.05.2007 at 02:09

Written by [user id=20369] on 08.05.2007 at 01:38

It could still be a life-style but "free" don't you think?

dream on.. let's define a lifestyle. A lifestyle is simply said a certain way of thinking, dressing, behaviour and spirituality(sometimes) that belongs to that lifestyle. Goths for example are forced to dress according to a dress code, they are also forced to enjoy certain bands.(Still remember laughable comments like "You are no goth, you don't know who the Sisters of Mercy are!). A perfect example why a lifestyle requires a certain music taste. Same for clothes, and thoughts, behaviour etc. Now, if metal becomes like that, and a so-called "free" metalhead says he enjoys Linkin Park. Then it would be only human if plus minus 95% of the metal scene would spit on him because he doesn't behave like the lifestyle. Same for a Christian who tries to play black metal, or a death metal band who sing about pretty flowers. It simply isn't possible, that freedom doesn't exist when it is a lifestyle. That's why metal should stay a genre of music, and not a lifestyle.

Written by Silent Creeper on 06.06.2007 at 16:03

I think that metal is becoming to much mainstream nowadays... Don't get me wrong I am not one of those who think that metal should forever stay in underground, contrary, I am glad that it gained in popularity but unfortunately in my opinion too much. I see lots of people (often teenagers) that consider themselves as 'true' metalheads while knowing only two, or three bands like Iron Maiden, Metallica, Children Of Bodom, Dimmu Borgir, Amon Amarth... I think that is not problem in bands and their more commercial sound or if I say their musical evolution, but in people that start to listen to metal. Not so long ago was metal for those who where thinking different from other mainstream scene fans, while now this distinction somehow equalized. Metal is becoming part of the mainstream, and lots of people are starting to listen to metal just because it sounds "cool", trying to be rebels (without any reason actally) and things like that, which is bad. But again it is not the fault of bands that make more commercial music, problem is in within metal community.

PS I don't consider nu-metal or -core genres (grindcore is not included ) as metal so I don't see why this would be problem. To me they are part of pop/mtv wannabe rock scene.

Written by thesabbathfan on 20.08.2008 at 09:34

seeing as how metal seems to keep getting only eviller and harder, but now, I'm wondering, CAN metal get any harder than it already is? Riffs are already so fast and technical and lyrics are already so brutal and violent (in deathmetals case). Seriously, have we reached the limit? I think so, but if time can prove me wrong, I'm more than willing to follow.

Written by totaliteraliter on 23.08.2008 at 01:06

Written by [user id=23805] on 22.08.2008 at 02:29
Ya-know the discussion is good and I don't want it to dissolve to petty accusations, but your thinking is completely irrational. There are no RIGHT reasons to be interested in metal. Opinions are fine but what I'm talking about is not an opinion. Most of us wish metal were an elite club where only "cool" (subjective term) people are allowed to hang out (of course that includes me and anyone else who shares my musical inclination), but to say that metal has a problem just because it's fans don't all share the same opinion is ridiculous.

I don't see how it's irrational. Honest interest is better for metal than superficial fascination. Identification with the art is better than ironic enjoyment or casually listening without taking anything serious away. All fans are not equal.

Written by Metalbound7 on 23.11.2008 at 01:00


Ok, so you gonna understand just what you WANT to understand then im already out of the disscusion. Just one more cuestion, ¿what you use to listen before getting into true Metal?.

Written by [user id=36489] on 18.12.2008 at 23:57

Written by Metalbound7 on 23.11.2008 at 01:00


Ok, so you gonna understand just what you WANT to understand then im already out of the disscusion. Just one more cuestion, ¿what you use to listen before getting into true Metal?.

By the lack of a response to this question, I have to say he ran away with his head between his asscheeks eyes open wide. I award you 15 kickass points for sticking through an argument with such an arrogant person.

Written by totaliteraliter on 19.12.2008 at 21:32

Written by [user id=36489] on 18.12.2008 at 23:57

Written by Metalbound7 on 23.11.2008 at 01:00


Ok, so you gonna understand just what you WANT to understand then im already out of the disscusion. Just one more cuestion, ¿what you use to listen before getting into true Metal?.

By the lack of a response to this question, I have to say he ran away with his head between his asscheeks eyes open wide. I award you 15 kickass points for sticking through an argument with such an arrogant person.

LOL interesting interpretation. I "ran away" because a) the opponent in this particular debate didn't seem to have the capacity to understand either my points or the vacuity of his own and b) I try not to encourage such behavior by answering irrelevant points. Judging by your disappointingly out-of-context quoting and reply to my other post (19.12.2008 at 03:49) I am tempted to conclude that you suffer from the same affliction. Hint: because people can get into metal a certain way does not mean people should get into metal this way, neither does it mean that this route is a good one or the best one. I mean really, did you actually read my posts and conclude "hey, I got into metal through Slipknot, this totally invalidates his position!!!" If so, you have my sympathies.