So much to say, after reading only the first posts of the thread there's a clear division between men and women's thoughts on abortion, in general aspects, I repeat general, women are more on favor of abortion than are men, this is not only seen in this thread but in worldwide opinions and polls.

I have a friend who got pregnant when she was 16, her boyfriend left her and moved to Germany, but she never ever considered abortion as a possible option, as much as people tried to talk her into doing it; she carried that baby the entire 9 months, and 9 months exactly (that little sugarcup was born exactly on the expected day) and she had a natural birth in the living room of her house with a professional and very recognized midwife assisting her.

I spent 2 weeks with her before the baby was born, she wanted some kind of support and there I was, even though I had to go back home exactly one day before he was born.

Having a child at 16 is a damn heavy experience on a woman's body, she couldn't walk more than 10 steps without almost collapsing from exhaustion, she couldn't take a bath while standing up, she couldn't sleep in another position that wasn't on her side, she weighted around 90 kilos (I have no idea how much that is in pounds) and she is 1.55 m high, so she had to walk around in a huge robe because she couldn't afford pregnancy clothes, she spent 39 hours in labor, and she had to do it all alone.

On top of it all, yes, she had her baby, a beautiful boy called Ian, and she had it simply because she knew she could bare it, and she could raise him and give him the best life she could manage, I am sure she will, and other girls who consider abortion under these same circumstances are just plain coward and irresponsible.

On the other hand, my mother works as a counselor and lawyer for women and children who have been victims of family violence, so I have had access to some of the worst stories I've ever heard.

This girl was 10 years old, fucking 10 years old, and she was raped by some sick policeman at the orphanage (who of course died mercilessly in jail after the other prisoners took it in their hands to murder this one fucking son of a bitch), and she got pregnant.

Now this may raise a few arguments, but I would have been completely in favor of abortion in this case, my biggest reason would be, because even if when a girl gets her period, she's supposedly able to bare a child, these days it is more than impossible. After seeing what my friend went through, the physical 'punishment' that it is for a woman to carry all the way through pregnancy is unhuman for a 10 year old girl.

Now I am not sure if she did have an abortion or not, but in case she had to go all through the pregnancy and giving birth, sadly I don't doubt she died. A girl's body cannot be forced like that at such young age.

My point now being, if there is any type of women who actually deserve considering abortion, those are rape victims, young rape victims such as this girl most especially. Although grown women who get pregnant by rape are a lot less likely to actually consider it, even though it must be horrible to bare the child of the person you would without a doubt most hate in this world, if the body of said person is ready, then there can be other options to consider, like adoption.

Anyway that is my point of view on this whole matter.

am i pregned again?!

The true is that nobody can decide about who lives or die, if a woman (as meny of you say) is victim of rape, only she could decide what to do, not by other opinions.

Written by Linak on 31.07.2006 at 03:06

So much to say, after reading only the first posts of the thread there's a clear division between men and women's thoughts on abortion, in general aspects, I repeat general, women are more on favor of abortion than are men, this is not only seen in this thread but in worldwide opinions and polls.

I have a friend who got pregnant when she was 16, her boyfriend left her and moved to Germany, but she never ever considered abortion as a possible option, as much as people tried to talk her into doing it; she carried that baby the entire 9 months, and 9 months exactly (that little sugarcup was born exactly on the expected day) and she had a natural birth in the living room of her house with a professional and very recognized midwife assisting her.

I spent 2 weeks with her before the baby was born, she wanted some kind of support and there I was, even though I had to go back home exactly one day before he was born.

Having a child at 16 is a damn heavy experience on a woman's body, she couldn't walk more than 10 steps without almost collapsing from exhaustion, she couldn't take a bath while standing up, she couldn't sleep in another position that wasn't on her side, she weighted around 90 kilos (I have no idea how much that is in pounds) and she is 1.55 m high, so she had to walk around in a huge robe because she couldn't afford pregnancy clothes, she spent 39 hours in labor, and she had to do it all alone.

On top of it all, yes, she had her baby, a beautiful boy called Ian, and she had it simply because she knew she could bare it, and she could raise him and give him the best life she could manage, I am sure she will, and other girls who consider abortion under these same circumstances are just plain coward and irresponsible.

On the other hand, my mother works as a counselor and lawyer for women and children who have been victims of family violence, so I have had access to some of the worst stories I've ever heard.

This girl was 10 years old, fucking 10 years old, and she was raped by some sick policeman at the orphanage (who of course died mercilessly in jail after the other prisoners took it in their hands to murder this one fucking son of a bitch), and she got pregnant.

Now this may raise a few arguments, but I would have been completely in favor of abortion in this case, my biggest reason would be, because even if when a girl gets her period, she's supposedly able to bare a child, these days it is more than impossible. After seeing what my friend went through, the physical 'punishment' that it is for a woman to carry all the way through pregnancy is unhuman for a 10 year old girl.

Now I am not sure if she did have an abortion or not, but in case she had to go all through the pregnancy and giving birth, sadly I don't doubt she died. A girl's body cannot be forced like that at such young age.

My point now being, if there is any type of women who actually deserve considering abortion, those are rape victims, young rape victims such as this girl most especially. Although grown women who get pregnant by rape are a lot less likely to actually consider it, even though it must be horrible to bare the child of the person you would without a doubt most hate in this world, if the body of said person is ready, then there can be other options to consider, like adoption.

Anyway that is my point of view on this whole matter.

Man dont get pregnet and I think its good or I

Sorry about your friend, but also it depends of country, parephs in southern and latin countries family means more nd old traditions girl merry young still are alive and big family means much there and about guy dunno, probobly I

About supporet I agre, if it she and all women/girls need it,a nd if its from family its are stromng and it gives energy to new mother, but alos she need father support

agrie its hard for women to walk, but alos it prooves thay can be sytronger abou man
And yeah its hard to walk, and do all usualy stuffs, pregnent women are like blind people who needs some kind a other person who cares, better people who loves her, its eaiser

It proves its hard give baby away, small child change all, when I see small chil something are changing in me, thats why i dont want watch small childrenn and Ian hope he be next Ian Gillan

Better dont tell those stories because better we shood not know it, because I think some shood be told in public, some hide because it can be more pain in faily

10 years old firl can be pragnent and about police, I know one girl personaly she had same story so I hate thise bastards, hope mexican barras bravas will rape them all.

About pregnacy 10 years old girl, I dunno I dunno what say she has 30 years old and if son then he 20, he can be lowers.
But mother, probobly she I dunno cant live anymore normal life, probobly she are to young for abortion, I dunno sometimes death are better how live, if i was in her age I dunno I but in that age I realy love my life, what fool I was.

Agrie child who borns from raped mother, can be not like we, he can be wier, hate world and hate All, thats why I hate this world, and probobly sex!

Written by Bad English on 31.07.2006 at 17:27



Agrie child who borns from raped mother, can be not like we, he can be wier, hate world and hate All,

I dont believe that to be true. The child has nothing to do with the rape and is only another innocent victim in the mix of things. The child will be born as promising as any other child, it all depends on how they are loved, educated and cared for after they are born. Yes, if told the story of what happened there is sure to be some pain but to say that every child that is born to bad circumstances is going to be a disgruntled, hateful, misfit is not true. I have met plenty of pissed off kids and adults that came from the sweet life compared to others. People just have issues and thats that.

Written by [user id=14995] on 02.08.2006 at 02:44

Written by Bad English on 31.07.2006 at 17:27



Agrie child who borns from raped mother, can be not like we, he can be wier, hate world and hate All,

I dont believe that to be true. The child has nothing to do with the rape and is only another innocent victim in the mix of things. The child will be born as promising as any other child, it all depends on how they are loved, educated and cared for after they are born. Yes, if told the story of what happened there is sure to be some pain but to say that every child that is born to bad circumstances is going to be a disgruntled, hateful, misfit is not true. I have met plenty of pissed off kids and adults that came from the sweet life compared to others. People just have issues and thats that.

I agrie its victime, inocente victim, but still maybe he knows something inside, and if mom told him I dont know what hepens, but women, next mother are nervoise, depresed, and child inside fiel it and when he/She born if mother still are depresed, in begining of child life he need love, he need know than he are safty, ok maybe leither child forgot all, but something canbe damiged in his nerv sistem or something

And ok if white women has been raped from black man, and she are mariged whit wite man and she dont do abrortion and if child born whit black coulor, how thay explain what hepens, ok thay can tell thay adopded child, then child maybe leither want knows who are REAL morher and maybe father, and what then contunue lie or told tru, bou hurts, but diferent.

i fully understand the choice a woman would make to get an abortion after a rape or something of that nature but it really comes down to the beliefs of the woman. I myself cant begin to imagine how i would truly feel but i would hope that i would put the needs of the inocent child inside of me before my own, get some counseling and then give that child a true shot at life. After having children could not think of a baby as anything less than any of my other children. An innocent spirit that needs your protection and guidence as an adult and mother.
if you gave it your best..i mean truly your best effort the child would be fine in my opinion.

But then again, i have not been in that situation so..

Written by [user id=14995] on 02.08.2006 at 03:15

i fully understand the choice a woman would make to get an abortion after a rape or something of that nature but it really comes down to the beliefs of the woman. I myself cant begin to imagine how i would truly feel but i would hope that i would put the needs of the inocent child inside of me before my own, get some counseling and then give that child a true shot at life. After having children could not think of a baby as anything less than any of my other children. An innocent spirit that needs your protection and guidence as an adult and mother.
if you gave it your best..i mean truly your best effort the child would be fine in my opinion.

But then again, i have not been in that situation so..

Rape child from rapist is natural made, ok yes, but for me natural made chuild are when copple disidet thay womt it or no and try, ehh no if thay had sex when thay want, where and so, and its free, and if then come child then he is natural made(dunno how say) child. But rape, women dont wate it, dont ewen waite sex in that situation. if girl are virgin, and young, and she dont know what is sex, I mean feelings what she get in sex, and if she had raped and chil, probobly she will hate sex, hate all, hate her self, and if parents lets say its your faulth you bitch why you wear that top, or why you go to becah in wsimming all your boddya re almoust nacked, and girl want support from family, and then she hates all hates her self, probobly think about suicide, and give life to child
Yiu can give all suport, love ALL BEST what you can if you love your self, then you can love child, but if voices start tell her it was my faulth, what then she cant love her child, because she dont love ehr self how shood

I think child are for people who are ready for it, are independet, and love them selfs, then thay can be parents

About you and situation, hope you dont know how it fiels, I know one girl who ahs raped from cop, I dont want post it here all story, but she change totaly change after it, and she are motehr

I think that it depends on the parents. If the don't want to keep the baby then they won't. But in extreme cases like the one Linaku described then the mother should consider abortion. I can't say if i agree or disagree with the idea. It's unfair for a mother to give birth to a baby when she doesn't want to but it's also unfair to take someones life away. I remember an ancient greek philosopher that sayed: "Lucky is who is not brought in this world".

Written by [user id=5231] on 08.08.2006 at 03:03

I think that it depends on the parents. If the don't want to keep the baby then they won't. But in extreme cases like the one Linaku described then the mother should consider abortion. I can't say if i agree or disagree with the idea. It's unfair for a mother to give birth to a baby when she doesn't want to but it's also unfair to take someones life away. I remember an ancient greek philosopher that sayed: "Lucky is who is not brought in this world".

Agrie whit it and whitthis greek philosophy, maybe you can translate it in greek for me

I think that every thing has a reason to be, nothing exists just for casuality
Abortion can be considered as an assassination, abortion is killing a completly defenceless human, and why? I think that some answer can be: because 2 persons didn't take prevention of a pregnancy while having sex; a woman was raped; the woman took a serious illness while waiting the baby... well, so many reasons...

In the last cases, abortion would be an answer, but it's horrible and a really difficult issue anyways. In the first case, I don't agree with abortion, because this time is a defenceless human who hadn't the fault of this serious mistake

Written by The Alchemist on 23.08.2006 at 23:56

I think that every thing has a reason to be, nothing exists just for casuality
Abortion can be considered as an assassination, abortion is killing a completly defenceless human, and why? I think that some answer can be: because 2 persons didn't take prevention of a pregnancy while having sex; a woman was raped; the woman took a serious illness while waiting the baby... well, so many reasons...

In the last cases, abortion would be an answer, but it's horrible and a really difficult issue anyways. In the first case, I don't agree with abortion, because this time is a defenceless human who hadn't the fault of this serious mistake

What you mean by perversion in sex?

About Illness hmm, agree, or for exapmle child when born can be blind for life, if doctor knows it better do abortion how let child born, or if mother are ill better too, or if she will die after child wil born, those cases it shood be, but if mother dont know about that kind a thinks, what then?

Well, I'm not talking about perversion in sex, just that we must be very careful to avoid these situations
And about the last part, well, I think it deppends of the mother, she should take the decision

Written by The Alchemist on 24.08.2006 at 00:44

Well, I'm not talking about perversion in sex, just that we must be very careful to avoid these situations
And about the last part, well, I think it deppends of the mother, she should take the decision

Ok I see and yes in sex you shood be carifull, specely if you're girl

I think only mother can decide keep child or not, because she keeps it inside, she, she feels shity after it and she will do it not someone alse, so she say YES or NO

This is my opinion on abortion...
From the moment of conception a baby is "human". Thus I believe abortion is worng...
In saying that i believe people should still have the choice wether or not they have the baby... Why bring a baby into a world where it will be unloved... or unwanted

Written by [user id=5315] on 29.08.2006 at 08:08

This is my opinion on abortion...
From the moment of conception a baby is "human". Thus I believe abortion is worng...
In saying that i believe people should still have the choice wether or not they have the baby... Why bring a baby into a world where it will be unloved... or unwanted

I agree with you, abortion is wrong, and in most of the cases, the baby will be unwanted and maybe unloved, but there are 2 important things: this is not the baby's fault, but the parents's fault and second: in many cases it can happen that the baby born and the parents change their thoughts and they can love the baby, who knows...

To be pregnant after being raped must be horrible, that is the main reason why abortion should exist.

Written by The Alchemist on 30.08.2006 at 19:34

Written by [user id=5315] on 29.08.2006 at 08:08

This is my opinion on abortion...
From the moment of conception a baby is "human". Thus I believe abortion is worng...
In saying that i believe people should still have the choice wether or not they have the baby... Why bring a baby into a world where it will be unloved... or unwanted

I agree with you, abortion is wrong, and in most of the cases, the baby will be unwanted and maybe unloved, but there are 2 important things: this is not the baby's fault, but the parents's fault and second: in many cases it can happen that the baby born and the parents change their thoughts and they can love the baby, who knows...

Thats very true. It is the parents fault. Maybe adoption should be promoted more that abortion i think

Written by [user id=5315] on 01.09.2006 at 08:03

Written by The Alchemist on 30.08.2006 at 19:34

Written by [user id=5315] on 29.08.2006 at 08:08

This is my opinion on abortion...
From the moment of conception a baby is "human". Thus I believe abortion is worng...
In saying that i believe people should still have the choice wether or not they have the baby... Why bring a baby into a world where it will be unloved... or unwanted

I agree with you, abortion is wrong, and in most of the cases, the baby will be unwanted and maybe unloved, but there are 2 important things: this is not the baby's fault, but the parents's fault and second: in many cases it can happen that the baby born and the parents change their thoughts and they can love the baby, who knows...

Thats very true. It is the parents fault. Maybe adoption should be promoted more that abortion i think

Yes, it can be a solution, but more than adoption, contraceptives should be more promoted

\Frost/bitten -
baby Human, well i agree it can be wrong, but read my previus poust about baby, how it are get and other, but choose hawe baby or not, its thay shood think bout it before sex, specely copple and bouth man?women before one night stand and ungpy, better ungapy die oung or better unhapy live and happy dies, unhapy domt want childern and thast why respect to them

The Alchemist -
Unvanted and Unloved child, I agre its not his fault its parent, but he are wictime and he thinks its gis faulth all bad what hepen its his faulth and it cant help him live normal life, he he evend dont want try relationship(even if person realy loves him9if real love exist))
So better taht kind a baby dies unborn how live short live or make pain other peopel and well who knows maybe mother start love him after months, who knows.

warman - Yes I agree, but I discuss it in previus pousts,whit girl from Florida

\Frost/bitten -
Then child think who are my real mother, why she left me, why, why? quastens mor ehow answers and in end he think its his faulth, and hmm

The Alchemist - i dunno if poeple can love so strong adopted child how thme own, i dunno, I dunno if i cant, i dunno if i cant love my child and hope I never know it, i dunno if i can love someone anyway

Written by The Alchemist on 07.09.2006 at 20:48

Written by [user id=5315] on 01.09.2006 at 08:03

Written by The Alchemist on 30.08.2006 at 19:34

Written by [user id=5315] on 29.08.2006 at 08:08

This is my opinion on abortion...
From the moment of conception a baby is "human". Thus I believe abortion is worng...
In saying that i believe people should still have the choice wether or not they have the baby... Why bring a baby into a world where it will be unloved... or unwanted

I agree with you, abortion is wrong, and in most of the cases, the baby will be unwanted and maybe unloved, but there are 2 important things: this is not the baby's fault, but the parents's fault and second: in many cases it can happen that the baby born and the parents change their thoughts and they can love the baby, who knows...

Thats very true. It is the parents fault. Maybe adoption should be promoted more that abortion i think

Yes, it can be a solution, but more than adoption, contraceptives should be more promoted

Definately agreed, the world is already overcrowded.

I just want to share a poem that i have read about this subject


The thoughts of an unborn child


Mommy keep me safe.
mommy keep me warm,
Handle me with all your love,
Mommy keep me from harm.

I'm only six weeks old today,
This birthday gift to me,
a pair of bright blue eyes,
that someday you will see.

I've barely got ears,
A little puppy nose,
and at the end of my feet, little things called toes.

Looking forward to my life,
toys, teddy bears, snails
and long fairy tales.
Where are we going mommy,
in a bath, on a bus ride or,
perhaps far away.

Where are we going, being pushed at all force.
How funny it feels passing through doors,
people dressed in green,
if they hurt you mommy just scream.

What's happening mommy,
i'm starting to cry,
moomy come quickly,
They're making me die.

Killing me quickly,
pulling me apart,
Everthying inisde of me die.

Bye mommy, good-bye
but how i wanted to see
that grass, the trees,
hear a sweet song, feel a sweet breeze.

Bye mommy
goodbye
i love you, i really do
i just wish you could love me too.






without any other arguments ........................

I fucked up big time. No, I didn't have an abortion and I am not pregnant nor never have been but the guy I am dating has an unborn child from his ex-girlfriend or so she says. The thing is, I don't want to be involved but I care about him and don't want to feel like a homewrecker. Because he treats me like a goddess, he wants her to get an abortion if she really is pregnant. I don't believe in abortion and I figure if you are old enough to make a conquest to conceive than you should be old enough to take responsibility, child or not. It's tearing him apart and me as well. Home life isn't well and I don't want my schooling and work environment to be full of drama becuase of her nonchalant stalking and obssessive chatting about her problems. I just feel that i need to get that off my chest.

I know you will disagree with me, but I am just going to spread my opinion on your case. If you don't want me to, I advise you to stop reading.







I think, you should leave him. I dare say this, without knowing any details, I have never even spoken to you. Because:

-You love him. Fair enough. I don't know what true love is, I don't think I have ever tasted it, but I do know that it doesn't happen very often to anyone under the 20.

-Therefore, he is probably not worth all the trouble you will have. It might fuck up your school, your relationship with friends, and possibly everything else.

-You are 17. Again, I have never talked with you, so I don't really know what I am talking about, but do you think you are adult enough? Adult enough, to possibly deal with a baby, or deal with a man who has a baby which he takes care of with another woman?

That is, in short, what I think about it. I felt the need to write this. I hope it didn't get you mad or sad or whatever, but if it did, I will remove this entire post IMMIDIATLY.

DevilofaSaint - I agree whit Nerver and BTW, I dont know what i do in my case if girl say I got child, probobly but I hope it never hepens

Well who told you about child, his ex gf? how old are she?(dont aswer in suck personaly quastens if you dont want) or your gf, if it was your gb, i dunno its 2 posibilitiues, he use you or he loves you and say true, because if you know it leither, ist only problems

I agree about that addults can choose abortion, but if omen are ready be pragnet she are adult(not in 14 years)

To swer serusl y i shood sleep jack out and think lil bit

Nervel -
Nervel yes me too i dont know what true love is and if love existed and I dont belive to it, and thats why i wanna say she shood leave that guy

I dunno if in USA girl whit child cant go to school but in my class was girl in age 17 she can come to school

Well, I agree with you both. I am not offended either way. In most cases, since you don't know me, It helps when people say the complete opposite of what other people say. It's not that it's true love (too many insecurities), and yes, I may be seventeen but if you only got to know me, you would think I was a lot older. I grew up independent and can usually handle situations like this but it is hard right now. I have no family and when I see him, it just lights up my world. The ex-gf was the one who told me but I do think she is making it up. They are both only 16. I work with this guy and so if I do something to hurt him. I don'ty know

I'll just believe you on the spot, as I don't see the point of you lying.

Are they making up again, is that what you mean? Like, are they getting back together?

He lights your world up, you say. Perhaps, someone else can do this too. Like, your favorite music, or your best friend. Or your hobby. Or, perhaps, anything that does not have a baby.

Again I say I don't really know you, so I don't know when I have crossed a line with something I said, so I repeat: lemme know and I'll remove at once.

@DevilofaSaint - well hard to say something, because you're wright, but about family think but its hard if poeple hs nobody to trust and specely young people make mistaces and child can be one of them, and for girl ist harder ho guy
eah its good if you can handle sittaution and if she told you, and age 16 if she do it its hard to prove something, but im not shore and it depend sof you if you wanna be togehter whit him or not, better soemtimes ask him it

@Nervel - does she told thay get together ugain, I didnt read it on DevilofaSaint post

@DevilofaSaint - I agree whit nervel music an dbest friend can light you up and bottle too, and people who fiels something to you

Personally, I believe that a woman should always have the right to choose.

@Illusionist
Thay had wright and final world belongs them, but are sunbejective factors, how for example she want child, but father, if you keep it i stab you by nife, and he punch her once, twice, broke nose she are afraid oh him
or parents if you keep child I destroy your life, go outv of house live in street and you're not our child anymore

Written by Ramung on 18.11.2006 at 16:43

My opinion on abortion is that it is a crime, so I don't agree with it

Maybe you say why its crime in your opinium?