Well, you would not know of any military bases in your country unless some countrymen who live in hills or something tell you about it (or if you're a fan of Google earth ) .. keep gliding over czech and you'll occasionally find grids of black-rectangles .. usually in a non-populated area .. that my friend, is a military base

anyways, the point of posting this photo of the 'American Empire" is to show that democracy can be flawed sometimes (dont get me wrong, i'm no communist .. and i think democracy is the best of the currently available 'systems') however its often flawed, and not being 'peaceful and civilized' and it can be as ruthless and barbaric as any religious radical governmental system.

EDIT: i checked; and the only US military forces in Czech are the NATO forces. oh, and there was an agreement between USA and Czech to install military radar for missile-detection but Czech eventually refused (after initially accepting)

PS: your neighbor, Germany, has more than 50,000 American soldiers stationed in.

Canada has American presence by choice, of course...not by force...don't forget, we burned their White House down and we will do it again if they fuck with us...AND we'll take away their soft wood and water...we hold the strings of these puppets, you know...

If i were ever in charge of a country i would never allow the presence of foreign troops on my nation's soil, such an insult !

It says there that there are US Military bases in The Netherlands... that is not the case. There used to be one but that one was dismantled way before 2000

Written by Zombie on 20.10.2010 at 12:58

If i were ever in charge of a country i would never allow the presence of foreign troops on my nation's soil, such an insult !

For any purpose reason of the foreign troops ?

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.10.2010 at 19:34

It says there that there are US Military bases in The Netherlands... that is not the case. There used to be one but that one was dismantled way before 2000

True, there aren't any US military bases anymore in the Netherlands. Yet, there are US military troops in the NATO military facility, and in the EU facility.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/facility.htm

Written by Zombie on 20.10.2010 at 20:30

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.10.2010 at 19:34

It says there that there are US Military bases in The Netherlands... that is not the case. There used to be one but that one was dismantled way before 2000

True, there aren't any US military bases anymore in the Netherlands. Yet, there are US military troops in the NATO military facility, and in the EU facility.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/facility.htm

Of course there are because the US are part of NATO. there are also Turkish troops, German troops etc here as PART of NATO. Just like there are Dutch troops all over the world as part of NATO.

Btw I don't have any problems with foreign troops here since they help out the Dutch troops. Having problems with that is some sort of misplaced pride imo.

I don't have problems with foreign troops in my country too, what i have problem with is foreign military bases in my country, and dedication of lands, beaches, and roads specifically for those foreign troops. who btw, don't 'help' us. we're fine without them really and we're not in war with anybody.

So, how about this Wikileaks thing ? should we say goodbye democracy already ?
i was shocked with the feeble attempt of an accusation of Julian as a rapist, and from what, SWEDEN ! one of the -supposedly- least corrupted countries in the world.

It's down again!! but here's some mirrors: http://www.gruiiik.org/mirrors.html

Written by 0rpheus on 05.12.2010 at 23:05

It's down again!! but here's some mirrors: http://www.gruiiik.org/mirrors.html

As soon as my main computer is delivered to me, I shall be able to download these documents and look over them at my leisure.

This is a worth watching documentary. It shows how democratic fascist is USA! The American liberty is just fake.





http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1294790/

The "world being corrupt' and USA being not less of a fascist than Nazi Germany is all old news, agreed. but that Wikileaks thing's got some pretty interesting shit, i mean Uranium was stolen from libyan Nuclear reactors and smuggled abroad, Sarkouzy saying that he would never allow 75 million muslims to join the EU (meaning Turkey), Hilary Clinton asked US diplomats to spy on their counterparts .. lol now THAT is entertainment !!

Sounds like a conversation in a church between the choir, while utilizing reaction formation.
What is essentially a "democracy"? Do you have any significant definition of the term "democracy"
to turn this conversation into somewhat meaningful?

Well, since the definition of 'definition' itself is an understanding or a meaning that most people agree upon to be the most accurate... so in a discussion like the one we're having, we dont need to define democracy, as it is a common understanind that we're taking about 'mainstream' straight-forward meaning of democracy and not any other minor definition to it.

Written by Zombie on 07.12.2010 at 00:26

The "world being corrupt' and USA being not less of a fascist than Nazi Germany is all old news, agreed. but that Wikileaks thing's got some pretty interesting shit, i mean Uranium was stolen from libyan Nuclear reactors and smuggled abroad, Sarkouzy saying that he would never allow 75 million muslims to join the EU (meaning Turkey), Hilary Clinton asked US diplomats to spy on their counterparts .. lol now THAT is entertainment !!

Agreed!
Is it true that some servers are hosted in an underground nuclear bunker in Stockholm?!
I know Julian Assange was a hacker but how the hell do they reach these documents?!

@Zombie
An empty circular definition. I doubt you have any idea yourself you know what your talking about.
Actually what you doing is -rhetorical patting on the back- of each other with this "common understanding".
"democracy is dead" - yeah, they make propaganda" - "they are actually fascists".
Words are not defined by common understanding, but by usage in context (are you interested in political theory or Political philosophy which use the term?).
Dictionary researchers are not law givers, but historians of usage of words in context (unlike what many Americans think).
Your usage of terms here, is as follows;

As pointed out by Orwell, some terms turn into Orwellian terms.
Affective connotations (i.e. which hold no informative role, but emotional and from here normative) as thought stoppers ("your a fascist!") and rhetorical patting on the back between church friends ("god is great, isn't he?" - "sure he is").
You use them as rhetorical bashing tools, and (in future) will try to rationalize the term(s) to fit your prejudices (~"a democracy is where human rights are not hurt").
Somewhat like astrology or other types or charlatans. There are always right, since it's so vague and ambiguous you can always redefine them term to fit.

But what does democracy mean in politics?
Until you will not define democracy in any meaningful way, the conversation will lack any depth whatsoever
or you can just continue complementing each other which has nothing to do with "democracy" (the political term).
Have you never argued with someone while misunderstanding what he was actually meaning by his usage of words? I can bet you did (overwhelmingly most of us did).
There are no conversations as far as my experience goes that are meaningful before terms are clarified (except by mistake/chance).


By the way, I could not believe why people put down Fox News so much. A few weeks ago I watched it for the first proper time - I was shocked...How can someone actually take this channel seriously?

Cool story, bro.

For those of you using Windows, do the following:

1.) Open an empty notepad file
2.) Type "Bush hid the facts" (without the quotes)
3.) Save it as whatever you want.
4.) Close it, and re-open it.

Written by 0rpheus on 09.12.2010 at 19:35

For those of you using Windows, do the following:

1.) Open an empty notepad file
2.) Type "Bush hid the facts" (without the quotes)
3.) Save it as whatever you want.
4.) Close it, and re-open it.

Err... the result was some random Chinese words with some not even available in the dictionary...

Written by Ernis on 09.12.2010 at 22:54

Err... the result was some random Chinese words with some not even available in the dictionary...

The Bush effect

Nothing happens, sure this applies to windows 7 too ?

Written by Zombie on 10.12.2010 at 02:24

Nothing happens, sure this applies to windows 7 too ?

I gave it a try on 7 but no, It doesn't since it's an old XP bug. Sorry Ezz

Every government is a parliament of whores. The trouble is, in a democracy, the whores are us.
P. J. O'Rourke

Written by Candlemass on 08.12.2010 at 16:44

@Zombie
But what does democracy mean in politics?
Until you will not define democracy in any meaningful way, the conversation will lack any depth whatsoever
or you can just continue complementing each other which has nothing to do with "democracy" (the political term).
Have you never argued with someone while misunderstanding what he was actually meaning by his usage of words? I can bet you did (overwhelmingly most of us did).
There are no conversations as far as my experience goes that are meaningful before terms are clarified (except by mistake/chance).

This isn't the proper forum to post topics like these anyway so we should not expect meaningful answers. (This is more for a Sociological/Political Blogs or Forums.) We're metal fans, we should just rock.

Written by 0rpheus on 13.02.2011 at 20:00

Every government is a parliament of whores. The trouble is, in a democracy, the whores are us.
P. J. O'Rourke

awesome...writing this quote down

Hej folks! sorry for a quite off-topic intrusion, as my first post after years of absence, but one of our French deputies just died from a severe cancer at the age of 51 and I'd like to pay a little tribute for he was the only political metalhead and a true defensor of democracy: he came to the Parliament brandishing a French metal magazine to speak for our major festival: Hellfest (who was strongly attacked by catholic morons (I'm saying this as a Christian myself, it's not against catholics in general, but those were totally retarded), he defended the liberty for internet etc...

His name was Patrick Roy and he was a socialist, what I am not but still, I do respect it a lot even if I don't quite respect democracy: it takes some balls to speak about metal et French metal bands in front of a Parliament who kinda thinks that the Rolling Stones are the epitome of brutality...

I come to believe some righteous people can justify a concept I don't believe in (such as democracy)...

Written by Candlemass on 08.12.2010 at 16:44

By the way, I could not believe why people put down Fox News so much. A few weeks ago I watched it for the first proper time - I was shocked...How can someone actually take this channel seriously?

Living in the States, I wonder the same exact thing, haha.

If you want a real hoot, you should try to find one of Glenn Beck's shows.