@TheReaper - Well its still not baby and same time has he knows he gonna die and he try survive, read my old posts you see my IMO

Well, I think whether or not someone thinks that abortion is wrong depends on whether they view a 2 month old foetus as an independent life or not. At 2 months (when most abortions are done), a foetus can move, laugh, cry and recognise voices. However, it still does not have a truly human body.

My opinion is as follows: I am against abortion, unless it is clear that the mother will possibly die in having the baby, or the baby will be neglected in life due to the mother's financial situation or age.

I agree with abortion in extreme cases: when the baby represents a danger to both his/her and the mother's life, or when the baby comes with a sickness or deformation, and when it's a product of rape.

Written by Bitch Boy on 01.12.2006 at 04:57

I agree with abortion...when the baby...deformation,

So if you might have a deformity you should not be allowed to live? How about people Downs? Should we kill them too?

Just a thought.

I think it's better than living a life of suffering and causing suffer to my family.

Who ever said it was suffering? And even if it is, should I have been aborted because I am color blind? Or how about someone who is born missing one finger? Should they be killed because they have 9 instead of 10?

Dude, of course I'm talking about big deformations: people with two heads, missing both arms, or with deseases like Cri du Chat or Down. But if the parents want to deal with this, it's ok.

There are plenty of people out there whith a missing arm (or both) who do very well in the world. Or how many people do we know who are in wheelchairs for one reason or another? Should they not be allowed to live?

And two heads? How many times has that actually happened? And even if it does, they are people too. Who are you to judge if someone should be allowed to live? Just because someone may have a "birth defect" or and illness is no reason for us to get rid of them. This is not Ancient Sparta.

It is said that in India, parents who don't want daughters go for abortion, and this rate is increasing...(someone from India can give a better explanation)
This is a big crime. Abortion can be useful in some cases.

Written by Paganblood on 16.12.2006 at 12:11

It is said that in India, parents who don't want daughters go for abortion, and this rate is increasing...(someone from India can give a better explanation)
This is a big crime. Abortion can be useful in some cases.

How is it useful? Killing human beings we don't want?

What if I think you should be killed because I don't want you? How is that any different from abortion?

Or someone might want to kill me because I am color blind, have ADHA, Social Anxiety Disorder, and Ghirardiah. I am not wanted because I have 'defects'.

I'm still not certain whether I can fully agree or disagree with abortion just yet. I don't think "killing" the unborn child is very fair, I say give life a chance. If you do not want a child, don't have sex. Simple as that. Or adoption to put the child in a loving home is always available. But I can see if like a young teenage girl was raped and got pregnant, I can see where abortion could be "ok"...Otherwise I do not think it is nessacary.

Written by [user id=18641] on 18.12.2006 at 17:38

I'm still not certain whether I can fully agree or disagree with abortion just yet. I don't think "killing" the unborn child is very fair, I say give life a chance. If you do not want a child, don't have sex. Simple as that. Or adoption to put the child in a loving home is always available. But I can see if like a young teenage girl was raped and got pregnant, I can see where abortion could be "ok"...Otherwise I do not think it is nessacary.

I agree whit you but about sex thing, well and I agree if ppl arnt ready even in his mind for theory that he/she can get child, that betetr dont think about sex, thats why sex are adult game and even if one of cople dont wanna children and still choose keep it, in that case even safe and loving home cant help

Written by Dane Train on 18.12.2006 at 01:21

Written by Paganblood on 16.12.2006 at 12:11

It is said that in India, parents who don't want daughters go for abortion, and this rate is increasing...(someone from India can give a better explanation)
This is a big crime. Abortion can be useful in some cases.

How is it useful? Killing human beings we don't want?

What if I think you should be killed because I don't want you? How is that any different from abortion?

Or someone might want to kill me because I am color blind, have ADHA, Social Anxiety Disorder, and Ghirardiah. I am not wanted because I have 'defects'.

A 16 yr old girl was raped, she got pregnant. (this is a real incident). She had to give birth to that child unwillingly at this age, if the abortion was not to be done.I mean to say abortion can be useful only in this case.
The condition you presented is different from abortion because 'abortion' refers to killing the unborn.Maybe you misunderstood me.

Ok. So because someone decided to rape a girl we have to kill a child? That still doesn't make sense to me. That child has as much of a right to live as his/her mother does.

Written by Dane Train on 19.12.2006 at 04:48

Ok. So because someone decided to rape a girl we have to kill a child? That still doesn't make sense to me. That child has as much of a right to live as his/her mother does.

We (you and I) are from different societies, so its natural for you to have difficulties in understanding various issues of this society. People here are much narrow minded; in the example I presented above,the girl studied in class 10. Being pregnant or giving birth to a child would hamper her studies. It is risky to give birth to a child at that age, according to the principles of safe motherhood. Also, her family and even her society would blame her for that incident and mistreat her and later, the born child as well. You can't imagine how narrow minded people are (in this Indus subcontinent, not only in Nepal); however not all are narrow minded.

That maybe very true, and I totally understand it. That does not mean I have to agree with it. Just because it is a different society and culture does not mean I even have to tolerate it. I mean, one could have easily said that it was alright for the Nazi's to murder millions of Jews because that was part of German society and who are we to say other wise?

Now I fully realize that I can not stop abortions. I don't have the power to prevent people from doing things like that. What I can do is help to fix the problems...

@ hemlock:
\(fuck this keyboard!)

\Yes this doesn't mean you have to tolerate everything...Even I don't support this abortion, but I just told about th situation of abortion here.

If the woman is in a critical life moment that she can't keep the baby, she can always give it for adobtion, it is not necessary to kill it. Or maybe giving birth is just so damn painful, don't know, never had one.

If I ever screw with some girl like this I would beg her to spare child and only thing I would ask is to born baby, after that if she don't want it she can leave without any consequences (I hope you know what I mean, Ireally have no idea how to spell this:) ), I have full support in this by my mom. But if that girl want to do abortion I would sadly agree with her decisions.
My personal opinion about abortus is that it is very often and I don't like it at all. Girls, especially young and teenage girls are making many abortus and in my country many idiots start making business with it by opening some clinics just for this, I think this kind of "special clinics" should be burned to the ground, abortus should be done only in public hospitals, which are pretty safe. Second, I know many cases in which girls were forced to abort by their boyfriends and I think this is really sad, girls are really in much worst position then guys when they get pregnant, like some girl wrote, guys can leave any time but if you love your girlfriend you would never do such a thing, but today everyone are fucking with everyone and to me this is discusting. I am sad that peoplke start to act like group of horny retards, and if there is much more love in relationships, there wouldn't be so much abortuses.

Written by Bitch Boy on 01.12.2006 at 04:57

I agree with abortion in extreme cases: when the baby represents a danger to both his/her and the mother's life, or when the baby comes with a sickness or deformation, and when it's a product of rape.

I couldnt agree anymore, thats when I feel that abortion is only necessary. Unless the unborn baby is a threat to the expectant mother's life and/or was concieved through rape, abortion should be illeagle.

I think abortion should be legal in extreme cases. Now, I know some of you may disagree, but I definitely think in cases of rape, the victim/mother should have the right to terminate the child if she feels that she can not take care of it. There are a lot of younger girls who are left pregnant after rapes and to conceive the child, she'd be giving up her childhood but also she'd have to give up a lot of more important things such as school, because the responsibility of a child would restrict her from being able to study. It's a lot harder to actually give up your child for adoption too. I mean, you carry the child for 9 months, I believe that it's not so easy to give away the child after the birth. However, terminating the pregnancy in the early stages in these situations is fine by me.

For me, it really depends on the situation a woman is in, to say whether an abortion is appropriate and acceptable or not. But, like I always say, you can't know for sure until you go through it. I know that many women have said that it's been very hard to give up a child for adoption after it's birth, but until one goes through a pregnancy, they can't really say what's best, so therefore my opinion might not be very legitimate.

I look at in this way, when the child is still in the womb it is still somewhat part of the mother, so it should be the mothers decision.

Alright, we are repeating one the same for 4 pages, is there anyone who have something new to say exept: I am against because it is a murder, I am for because it is cool...
Is there anyone who can gave us some suggestion how to stop this, or if you are for abortion some good reason which is not said a million of times, is there anyone with some personal exp or how would you reacted if you are girl which get pergmant or a boy and your girlfriend just said you the news.
I am not starting fight I just want to see different people opinions.

People really don't need laws outlawing abortion. Instead, if you are really that against abortion, just work on EDUCATING people. Making a law against abortion would spring up a whole host of new problems that people would have to deal with. Hole in the wall clinics using unsound techniques that are dangerous to everybody involved would be the result. Criminals would be created and people would get hurt.

Also, an unborn fetus is not the same as an adult human being with feelings and a family... so it's pretty obvious that there could be a difference in opinion and to want a law based on your own personal opinion is the worst kind of stupid and really selfish. It is this same kind of stupidity that makes people want to outlaw drugs, prostitution, gay marriage, and a whole host of other things. If you want freedom for youself, you need to be alright with freedom for other people. It is offensive that people think that they can legislate their own morality. Fuck them all.

Written by El Vikingo on 28.01.2007 at 00:16

People really don't need laws outlawing abortion. Instead, if you are really that against abortion, just work on EDUCATING people. Making a law against abortion would spring up a whole host of new problems that people would have to deal with. Hole in the wall clinics using unsound techniques that are dangerous to everybody involved would be the result. Criminals would be created and people would get hurt.

Yes, you are totaly rigt, I read some statistics about how many weemen go to some dirty clinics to abort, many of that cases have fatal ending and if we make law against abortion that percentage would be even higher, we can't even imagine how much money would be in ilegal abortions, and it would be magnet for all kinds of criminals. It is definetly not a best solution for this problem cause it would create a million of others.
I also saw in some movie or something, and I am not sure is it true but I suppose it is that before aborions were legalise people use to abort with pencils, bicycle strings and staff like that, and I don't want this happen to any girl, always will be girls wh want to abort and I can't see any law tht can perveent that.

Think about it this way:
when Women have abortions the baby is barely big enough to be detected, in most cases at least, it's no more then an egg going into the steps of becoming a life.... They don't allow abortions later into the pregnancy, unless its black market or something....
And we have enough unwanted children in this world as is, we can't even get homes for them all...so giving a child up for adoption isn't a great idea, because chances are that it'll be in an orphanage for years, miserable, before it goes into a family thats not it's own...
Do you really think it would be better for all the 15 years olds out there who couldn't even support the kid, to have it anyways, risking that child growing up in a poverty sticken, drug-surrounded habitat??
And in how many cases have girls throughout the years, who couldn't afford or were denied abortions, had the baby secretly and killed it on their own... is that better?
Should women who know they cannot support a kid, or would ruin their lives aswell as the babies - have the kid if abortions aren't open to them, and live in misery? Don't you think it would only make the Moms angry at the child for being born, and then that kid would have a miserable life from the beginning....
I definitly agree with Pro-Choice......... It's the woman's body, her choice. If the father should oppose, let them work it out, but otherwise.....

Written by broken goddess on 30.01.2007 at 20:30

Think about it this way:
when Women have abortions the baby is barely big enough to be detected, in most cases at least, it's no more then an egg going into the steps of becoming a life.... They don't allow abortions later into the pregnancy, unless its black market or something....
And we have enough unwanted children in this world as is, we can't even get homes for them all...so giving a child up for adoption isn't a great idea, because chances are that it'll be in an orphanage for years, miserable, before it goes into a family thats not it's own...
Do you really think it would be better for all the 15 years olds out there who couldn't even support the kid, to have it anyways, risking that child growing up in a poverty sticken, drug-surrounded habitat??
And in how many cases have girls throughout the years, who couldn't afford or were denied abortions, had the baby secretly and killed it on their own... is that better?
Should women who know they cannot support a kid, or would ruin their lives aswell as the babies - have the kid if abortions aren't open to them, and live in misery? Don't you think it would only make the Moms angry at the child for being born, and then that kid would have a miserable life from the beginning....
I definitly agree with Pro-Choice......... It's the woman's body, her choice. If the father should oppose, let them work it out, but otherwise.....

I agree about what you say about live in misrey, adotion and stuff thats what I had try to say in my summer post here
But firts mother and father shood ask to chilkd did he/she want born, I know ist not posible so better then dont hawe a child if yout give him best and moust important think love
Because small chld he feels he feels a lot of thiks and it chage his life so ...

yeah, and since you can't ask your child before it's born : do you want to be born....
it leaves the mother and father with the decision. And if they deem it a bad option, or one that may not work out well, then they are then ones with the choice to make of having the abortion.

Granted that the procedure takes place within a month or so of becoming pregnant, you can't say it's murder because it is not even alive!!!!!
it simply an egg soaking up nutrition to try and become a being..... it's just a lump of tissues until it devlopes and starts to breathe.... I wouldn't condone having this done when the mother is far along in the pregnancy, but abortions are only legal for up to 15 weeks. after that they don't perform the operation.... so how an it be a CRIME to take out a clump of cells that is no more human at that point then an egg in a test tube. It may eventually become a person - but it is not yet.

Written by broken goddess on 30.01.2007 at 21:09

yeah, and since you can't ask your child before it's born : do you want to be born....
it leaves the mother and father with the decision. And if they deem it a bad option, or one that may not work out well, then they are then ones with the choice to make of having the abortion.

Granted that the procedure takes place within a month or so of becoming pregnant, you can't say it's murder because it is not even alive!!!!!
it simply an egg soaking up nutrition to try and become a being..... it's just a lump of tissues until it devlopes and starts to breathe.... I wouldn't condone having this done when the mother is far along in the pregnancy, but abortions are only legal for up to 15 weeks. after that they don't perform the operation.... so how an it be a CRIME to take out a clump of cells that is no more human at that point then an egg in a test tube. It may eventually become a person - but it is not yet.

Imagine situation
''Unhappy child lives, and sudenly family say schild go work
Child say:'' I dont wanna''
family:''ok we wont give our monyer, survive how can''
child:'' Ok I kill my self''
Family think he joking and say:'' pk do it'
and child cut vains ...

Even if that situation hpen parents shood be resposible, even child dont wanna work parents shood give him lil money, becaus ethay want him some times ago, so if thay ant why thay need child?

Well it thay woud ask me I woud say NO

well, that situation is a bit extreme but I won't doubt that things like that happen.
I'd like to think that most families who DO adopt would be good to the children they choose to take in as their own, only thing is the isn't nearly enough families out there willing to take in un-related children, so very many of them sit in the orphanages just spending their lives waiting for someone to come along and care about them. It's sad really....

And even with all of the screening adoption agencies put their perspective applicant through, you can't single out all of the weirdos, or abusive parents that come in.