Written by Twilight on 20.07.2008 at 13:43

I think Christians care less about their religion being bashed because people have been doing that for a long time already and that's why freedom of expression is generally more accepted by them

Written by Twilight on 20.07.2008 at 21:46

Oh yeah that's right, I remember that. One of the philosophies that not many Christian-haters know of.

Written by [user id=27451] on 16.07.2008 at 13:55
BUT i have seen so many people of so called "ethnic minorities" who turn around and do exactly what the majority of peopel from those groups would hate to see, using their ethnic background as a defence! i have seen "black" guys arrested who turn aruond and shout that they are being picked on befause of their colour. what a load of bollocks, they were fighting in the street! if people stopped usning their ethnic background or religious background as a defence people would start taking them seriously and a small minority of those from these groups still do it. a bit like some kids in hoodies causing trouble so every kid in a hoodie causes trouble apparently!

Written by APOHAKC on 26.07.2008 at 17:19

Yeah, I hear you, well, black guy complaining about being arrested cause of his skin color would make some sense here since we are still like 98% white country, so people in generally are racists even most of them would never said that

Written by Valentin B on 26.07.2008 at 19:46

Written by APOHAKC on 26.07.2008 at 17:19

Yeah, I hear you, well, black guy complaining about being arrested cause of his skin color would make some sense here since we are still like 98% white country, so people in generally are racists even most of them would never said that

lol i know it's offtopic but it's the same situation here. here's a typical romanian conversation about racism:

interviewer: hello, are you a racist?
romanian: no, of course not. i like blacks and jews.
interviewer: but what about gypsies?
romanian: KILL THEM ALL!!!!!

Written by APOHAKC on 02.08.2008 at 18:05

lol Judas, I checked your pictures, you kinda look South American, anyway, it is funny that Australians compare about immigrations since all white people are immigrants on that Continent anyway, right?

And beside, there are so many ways to characterize someone as white or non-white that it is rather confusing, from Nordicist theories to every immigrant is non-white no matter how he looks like, as Valentin said, Balkan countries are like that so I know such staff, we are all racists in generally even though 98% of people will never say that because ti is not much of their fault, that is something that is going on for centuries and people in generally are born with it, like, mothers will, and I am completely serious, tell you: if you see a gypsy in your class take care to seat as far as you can from him, or fathers will be like: you beat a gypsy, that's my boy, you can't even imagine what happened when some African loose his way somewhere around Balkan or Albanian in Serbia, although, not a fan of Albanians myself, it is mostly white society and still very sensitive on such things, even worst regarding religion, I don't wanna bore you how much shit I passed through cause of my ideologies.

Written by APOHAKC on 08.04.2008 at 15:49

Something I am wondering for some time, before I start, I want to announce this have nothing to do with metalstorm or behavior of people here (well, there were few examples though), it is about religion in general, actually, about anti-religion, some kind racism, precisely hate speech and religious intolerance. Also, I would like to say, I am not religious, I am an Orthodox Christian by birth, never followed or practise that religious since or any other.

Now to the point, in every day life I see a lot things and contradictories that are pissing me off, whole idea for a thread came when I saw Dutch movie Fitna, you probably already heard about it, it is about Islam, scenarist was accused for hate speech while movie is called racist?! (since when religion and race are connected) and hateful. In the movie, they put strong anti-muslim accent, doesn't matter does I support or not whole concept of the movie, to sum it up, man that made a movie was literally impaled in the media because of the whole project.

Also, we have a bunch of movies that never ever got permission to be shown on tv about anti-judaism, (and please do not invert my words, anti-judaism and anti-semitism is not one the same), they were immediately shown as racist and hateful in the media, not rarely people were even imprisoned for making them.

Now, we have a bunch of anti-Christian movies on tv, that no one never ever bash as racist, that are shown daily on tv, no one ever question religious correctness of those movies, truth, mostly Christian by birth made those movies, but again, as someone declare himself as an anti-Christian what difference does it makes?

Question is, WHY is it ok to bash on Christianity and it is NOT ok to bash on any other religion and immediately it is characterized as hateful speech?

Examples in music, Ukrainian band Nokturnal Mortum had both anti-judaistic and anti-Christian lyrics, no one ever question anti-Christian part cause that's ok, but everyone bitch about anti-judaism?! What's with that?

80% of you are openly anti-Christian, and bash on Christianity on this forum and real life most probably, same as some metalstormers I know, once, I said to one member in real life damn they want to build stupid mosque in the middle of the town and he looked at me like that I said Gods knows what and told me don't be a racist (again?!), but never ever he said anything to me when I dozens of times said that Cathedral in the center of the town should be burned? (yeah, a little of trve metal behavior..)

Once on this forum member said to other member stop with you judaistic crap, I remember that very well, post was deleted and he got warned for racism again, but I also saw DOZENS of time members saying similar things like stop your Christian crap to other members and no one ever got warned for that.

Why is it ok to bitch about Christianity and it is blasphemy to bitch about all other organized religions (especially Islam and Judaism)?!?

Looks like a double standard to me...

Written by Angelic Storm on 29.10.2009 at 02:05

I think really it's because of the power that the christian faith and in particular, the catholic church has in the world. It's only really been since 9/11 that Islam has started coming in for harsh criticism. Judaism seems to have far less control over the world than christianity, meaning it's not picked on as much. I would agree however, that it's wrong that it's so hard to criticise Islam without being considered "racist". Islam certainly shouldn't be exempt from the criticism levelled at christianity. Centuries ago, it was christians killing people, and trying to convert people to the religion by violence, and intimidation. While this does not happen anymore, I think some countries do have trouble seperating church from state. Islam now, seems to be the way christianity was years ago, violently opposing anyone who isn't a member of the faith, and will use any means to try and get their views across. I think all religions, aside from those which have never condoned violence have the right to be condemned and criticised. As much as I hate christianity (or at least the organised religion aspects of it), I feel just the same way about Islam. Though I will stress, it's not so much the religion itself I have the problem with, more the fanatical views that some people of those religions hold.

Written by Zombie on 09.10.2010 at 03:11

One example of religious double standards are those fuckers from saudi arabia who prevent christians from entering certain cities and then they cry about when france bans the veil and when switzerland bans the mosque towers

Written by Zombie on 09.10.2010 at 07:21

That is only one of the things
in Egypt christians aren't allowed to build churches or renovate the old ones unless they have a permission from the country's president himself !! lol ... and they're pissed coz in swizz they're not allowed to build towers, its not like they banned building mosques.

now THOSE are hypocrites with double standards. lol

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.10.2010 at 16:22

I disagrre with all that. Just because they don't allow it doesn't mean we should do the same. That is lowering ourselves to their standards. Not only that but also there is such a thing as freedom of religion in the constitution of western countries whereas there is no such thing in that of most muslim countries.

Written by Zombie on 18.10.2010 at 02:38

@ Valentin B: Actually i really admire Marcel's opinion, sure it doesnt work this way except in a utopian world that doesnt exist .. but still its the right thing to do, so until the definitions of 'right' and 'wrong' are reversed, i'm sticking to Marcel's opinion, let the west be the bigger one, and not stoop their level.

Written by ThisIsNotHere on 18.10.2010 at 19:26

Back tracking a bit to the morality debate in the abortion thread, a vertical ranking scale applied to multiple cultures is inappropriate. Western values don't necessarily align with those of other countries.

The problem Western Europe is facing is that they were too lenient on immigration, and some countries bent over backwards to cater to their new citizens. As a result, the conflict of values was aggravated and immigrants had less incentive to assimilate, giving the fewer and more outspoken radical Islamists a growing position of power.

So what to do? Continuing to masochistically serve the Muslim immigrants creates a cultural erosion and conflict, but directly enacting a state religion betrays the Western concept of personal freedom and is too much of a jump from one end of the spectrum to another. Switzerland banning the minarets and France banning veils is a start. That in itself isn't enough. Banning construction of new Mosques could potentially help, but I say shut the problem off at the source: severely reduce (if not outright stop) immigration and promotion of multicultural ideas. Begin deporting problematic immigrants and ramp up border security. A constitution that allows for freedom of speech, religion, etc. is important for the West, but when others use it to their own advantage, it becomes threatened.

If the bleeding hearts could see more than a few seconds ahead of themselves, maybe they'd quit crying "omg racist!!1!!1" and start working for an actual solution. And as far as I'm concerned, immigrants don't deserve the same level of power as native citizens. You're a guest in someone's country, play by their rules. Don't like it, don't move there. It's that simple.

Written by Zombie on 19.10.2010 at 03:54

Well, i think Education is the solution really, there has got to be religion-teaching in schools and not let the churches or the mosques do that or else we'll have cult-like ideas and incohesion of the community.. but, if religion is taught in schools, kids then would learn echothers religions and have respect for them and understand the differences and learn to accept them, and would most probably see the similarities and common ground in all religions.. and this -imo- would be a very effective way in eliminating extremist ideas that promotes the hate towards members of other religions based on misinformation about them.
there has got to be more transparency about the religion issue, and it shouldnt be a secret kept in the church or mosque.

Written by Zombie on 19.10.2010 at 13:51

No, you got me all wrong.. i didnt mean tht they should teach religion seperately at schools according to each group.. (ie christians learn christianity, muslims learn islam, jews learn judaism...) i meant that an unbiased curricilum should be put nd reviewd by the ministry of education that teaches ALL religions, each in chapter or something.. so, muslims learn about their own religion and about others.. same with christians..etc.