Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 19.10.2010 at 14:43

What Zombie and you are suggesting are the type of religious classes we get in secular schools in The Netherlands.

sadly in Romania(and i invite other EU guys to tell about the situation in their areas) that's not the case. all we had was stuff like "okay, so Jesus was awesome and you have to fast etc."

Here in Egypt we have separate religion classes, when its time for class Muslims go to a class and Christians go to another class, each studies his religion, and then they get back after class to have math, English, science,,,etc classes together.
which in my opinion is a fucked up idea as:

1) Muslims dont get to learn about Christianity .. and same with Christians
2) each religious group talks shit about the other one and spread rumors among themselves that the other kids are 'bad' and follow a flawed religion ...etc .. while if both knew what each others learn they wont have these false ideas about other religions.
3) this subconsciously makes children grow up to know that we're all ONE in everything EXCEPT religion, that's where the one grade gets split into two groups and each attends separate class.

so, apparently the Netherlander education system is superior lol

Written by Zombie on 19.10.2010 at 17:39

so, apparently the Netherlander education system is superior lol

Only in secular schools
If it's a catholci school they only get taught about catholicism, a muslim school only about islam etc etc

There are catholic and muslim schools in netherlands ? .. i thought being in a secular country means that these kind of institutions arent allowed... whats the use of having a secular country when muslims would send their kids to muslims schools and form a community within a community.. and conservative christians would send their kids to catholic schools and grow up to be bigots and non-understanding..
these type of schools should be outlawed !

Written by Valentin B on 18.10.2010 at 23:53

Written by ThisIsNotHere on 18.10.2010 at 19:26

Back tracking a bit to the morality debate in the abortion thread, a vertical ranking scale applied to multiple cultures is inappropriate. Western values don't necessarily align with those of other countries.

The problem Western Europe is facing is that they were too lenient on immigration, and some countries bent over backwards to cater to their new citizens. As a result, the conflict of values was aggravated and immigrants had less incentive to assimilate, giving the fewer and more outspoken radical Islamists a growing position of power.

So what to do? Continuing to masochistically serve the Muslim immigrants creates a cultural erosion and conflict, but directly enacting a state religion betrays the Western concept of personal freedom and is too much of a jump from one end of the spectrum to another. Switzerland banning the minarets and France banning veils is a start. That in itself isn't enough. Banning construction of new Mosques could potentially help, but I say shut the problem off at the source: severely reduce (if not outright stop) immigration and promotion of multicultural ideas. Begin deporting problematic immigrants and ramp up border security. A constitution that allows for freedom of speech, religion, etc. is important for the West, but when others use it to their own advantage, it becomes threatened.

If the bleeding hearts could see more than a few seconds ahead of themselves, maybe they'd quit crying "omg racist!!1!!1" and start working for an actual solution. And as far as I'm concerned, immigrants don't deserve the same level of power as native citizens. You're a guest in someone's country, play by their rules. Don't like it, don't move there. It's that simple.

you make a valid point in the first sentences, i do agree countries are trying too hard to please tons of immigrants. but now what to do? throw them out? that would be against some of the fundamental points that the EU stands for(one of which is actually multiculturalism, and another one being, yeah you guessed it, freedom of religion).

the problem here is for the people in charge to find a balance between preserving what is already there and trying to enrich it with immigrant culture, which like i said is one of the EU's goals. discriminately banning religious symbols or buildings is NOT the way to do it. you are basically limiting the freedom of a strict group of "evil ones", which is going to infuriate everyone from muslim radicals in golden palaces to atheists who understand the concept of freedom of religion and only please the radicals supporting the majority religion, which in turns pisses the muslim radicals more.

in other words, it's like pouring gasoline on fire.

what we need here is consistency in action instead of hypocrisy regarding religious freedom. if you ban the veil, you have to ban the star of david, the crucifix, the buddhist toga and everything else. if you ban a minaret, you have to ban a church bell tower. if you ban mosques, you have to ban churches, synagogues, buddhist temples, etc. either this OR you don't ban anything and you let the people build and wear whatever they want. i usually refrain from looking at things in black and white but in this case there is NO middle-path, it's either all or nothing, because it simply goes against some of the major points that the EU was actually created for.

It's not easy for me to come to my conclusion. I would certainly be alarmed if America started following that course, as I tend to dislike government involvement in private areas (regarding both encouragement and banning). However, the situation in Western Europe isn't getting any better, and having an open dialogue, while certainly ideal, is made more difficult when a minority group is not only acting against cultural customs/norms, but exploiting laws to their advantage. A country isn't obligated to let immigrants in. It's a privilege, not an entitlement. As a result, immigrants have to abide by cultural norms for the sake of stability, surrendering some of their own when necessary. This means burqas. In a Middle Eastern context, burqas are fine. In a Western one, it's a security threat and falls under the same category as wearing ski masks on public property.

This is a very difficult balancing act, and has it's own slippery slope, as does continuing the current tolerant way of doing things. And tolerance has been turning into masochism, which isn't effective at all. Since Europe let a dangerous situation escalate, more drastic solutions are required. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Either way, Islam in Europe will be a problem. We can see this same sort of issue (albeit to a much lesser extent) with the US and illegal immigration. Mainly the Arizona racial profiling and the resulting shitstorm. Let a social problem get out of hand, and the steps to fix it will be more unpleasant. Basic chain of causality.

Enriching a nation's culture with other ones ends up degrading the existing dominant culture and creates a power shift. Allow private practice, but don't encourage or endorse multiculturalism. When it becomes a problem, crack down on it (or preferably, don't let it get to that state, but it's a trifle late for that). Stop encouraging conflicting norms, stop immigration (all is necessary), and jail/deport/execute problem causers, depending on severity.

WTF MAN ?! you were doing fine until u said 'stop immigration' !
i mean, i totally agree with everything u just said, but imagine the shit we have to live among in here (the non-religious people), we have the norms and mentality of westerners yet we're trapped in the middle east, we should be allowed a 'safe escape' and then stop immigration afterwards if you want (i'm such a hypocrite ) .. no but really, the reason i wanna immigrate is because i'm fed with with this backwards culture and these religious, conservative, fucktarded people ... so, if i'm ever able to immigrate to any developed country, i'd follow and abide its laws coz that is what i'm looking for, and i certainly won't miss my 'current' culture and traditions.

Written by Zombie on 22.10.2010 at 13:10

WTF MAN ?! you were doing fine until u said 'stop immigration' !
i mean, i totally agree with everything u just said, but imagine the shit we have to live among in here (the non-religious people), we have the norms and mentality of westerners yet we're trapped in the middle east, we should be allowed a 'safe escape' and then stop immigration afterwards if you want (i'm such a hypocrite ) .. no but really, the reason i wanna immigrate is because i'm fed with with this backwards culture and these religious, conservative, fucktarded people ... so, if i'm ever able to immigrate to any developed country, i'd follow and abide its laws coz that is what i'm looking for, and i certainly won't miss my 'current' culture and traditions.

Problem is, properly screening immigrants for their potential to adhere to cultural standards and not make a mess would require going through many, many details, and still would be impossible to accurately measure. Plus it would create a huge bureaucracy, which would eat money at the same pace as Rosie O'Donnell ramming buckets of lard down her gullet.

Shut off borders, end multiculturalism (banning further Mosque construction would be one part of this), and deal with current problematic immigrants. The West needs to get over this deluded idea that we're obligated to help people of other nations and give them a home. It's destructive, and doesn't work.

Thankfully, the situation in America hasn't gone completely crazy, yet. And it won't if we stop immigration, stop government promotion of multiculturalism/tolerance/related concepts, and ensure English is the national language (sorry, but no "press 2 for Spanish" allowed). This way, America can begin to cultivate its own culture and out-breed current immigrants. We can also ensure a higher quality of population (both current immigrants and native US citizens) by beginning to scrap social programs and letting mechanisms of nature do the work.

I think there does have to be a system in place that allows people like Zombie (I know that isnt his real name! ) to escape from the repressive, backwards thinking, countries.

@ThisIsNotHere: Although I do agree with some of what you're saying, some of the measures suggested in your above post are a tad extreme, IMO, and not necessary. Too much integration can be a bad thing, but complete segregation also has it's negative aspects...

@ThisIsNotHere: correction to one thing, there is no 'native US citizens'; the US is a country of immigrants, so it would be so hypocritical if a former immigrant or a person of immigrant decent to suggest that immigration should stop (unless you're of native american roots 'red indians'... and that's a totally different story)

so, the total segregtion WOULD form ALOT of problems, and yes, the west is obligated yo helping less fortunate countries and advocate multi-culturalism, and let me tell you why..
Ayman el Zwahri, the second man in Al-Qaeda, was a successful egyptian doctor, and was a VERY wealthy man, yet the oppression and injustice of the egyptian ruling regime made him rebel, and use his brains and money in sinister ways to 'fight back' the system, and there it is, he becme the world's leading terrorist.. who would've thought? a wealthy rich doctor becoming a terrorist? .. and lots of other examples too (ben laden, the world's number one terrorist being the most prominant example, he's of the ben laden family, the wealthiest family in saudi arabia working in the oil buissiness and they have company branches allover the world including the US in texas) ... so, until democracy kicks in the third world countries and we have major economic reforms, we'll always be a danger to you guys and your kids safety ... so, help us, help u.. that's the motto.

also, in today's globalized world, bussiness requires expanding into global markets and dealing with other cultures, it is in US best interest to integrate all cultures as not to have problems like the ones mcdonalds had in india for example, (mcdonald's in india offers a strictly vegeterian menu in case u didnt know, because hindu (the majority religion) considered cows sacred and cannot be slaughtered) .. and same with latin american countries where all the oil is (and drugs too ) .. you have to understand these peoples cultures, language, in order to be able to do buissiness with them.. what you're basically saying is for the US to turtle-in and become a communist economy like china 10 years ago, with absolutely no ties what-so-ever to the outside world.

Written by Zombie on 25.10.2010 at 12:37

@ThisIsNotHere: correction to one thing, there is no 'native US citizens'; the US is a country of immigrants, so it would be so hypocritical if a former immigrant or a person of immigrant decent to suggest that immigration should stop (unless you're of native american roots 'red indians'... and that's a totally different story)

so, the total segregtion WOULD form ALOT of problems, and yes, the west is obligated yo helping less fortunate countries and advocate multi-culturalism, and let me tell you why..
Ayman el Zwahri, the second man in Al-Qaeda, was a successful egyptian doctor, and was a VERY wealthy man, yet the oppression and injustice of the egyptian ruling regime made him rebel, and use his brains and money in sinister ways to 'fight back' the system, and there it is, he becme the world's leading terrorist.. who would've thought? a wealthy rich doctor becoming a terrorist? .. and lots of other examples too (ben laden, the world's number one terrorist being the most prominant example, he's of the ben laden family, the wealthiest family in saudi arabia working in the oil buissiness and they have company branches allover the world including the US in texas) ... so, until democracy kicks in the third world countries and we have major economic reforms, we'll always be a danger to you guys and your kids safety ... so, help us, help u.. that's the motto.

also, in today's globalized world, bussiness requires expanding into global markets and dealing with other cultures, it is in US best interest to integrate all cultures as not to have problems like the ones mcdonalds had in india for example, (mcdonald's in india offers a strictly vegeterian menu in case u didnt know, because hindu (the majority religion) considered cows sacred and cannot be slaughtered) .. and same with latin american countries where all the oil is (and drugs too ) .. you have to understand these peoples cultures, language, in order to be able to do buissiness with them.. what you're basically saying is for the US to turtle-in and become a communist economy like china 10 years ago, with absolutely no ties what-so-ever to the outside world.

Colonial America was predominately English, the other main groups were the Scots and Dutch. As time went on with expansion and the Revolutionary War, more ethnic groups of European ancestry populated America. The Native Americans were forcibly taken over, and annihilated/relocated/outbred. So while they're technically the real Americans, what theirs is now ours through force. A nation has the power to take over another, and to do so is perfectly acceptable, just like how it's perfectly acceptable for the citizens of an attacked area to defend themselves. Not saying that imperialism is necessary a logical course of action, especially at this point in time. But in the past that's how things worked, and to some degree, that's how they still do. Going back in history and citing the takeover the other countries ignores the concept of force establishing nations, laws, and ways of life. What's theirs has become ours, and we make our laws to be suitable to us (or at least attempt to, straying from the constitution isn't really a good idea... if it ain't broke, don't fix it).

And yes, Zawahiri revolted against the Egyptian government because it it was a corrupt force. However, he saw the Western influence as part of that corruption, hence his desire for a fundamentalist Islamic state. To him, that would be a perfect counterbalance against the West, and would allow Egypt it's own position of power (whether he was correct is open for debate). Plus, the flaws in current path of the US tend to be more visible to outsiders. We have a weak culture at best, an overextended government, growing population, somewhat turbulent economy, etc. To Zawahiri, adopting that system would be a disaster. It's why I'm pretty non interventionist (with a few exceptions) and why I believe in cultural segregation. Trying to impose a lifestyle or fix something for someone else (regardless if it's broken or not) only creates disaster. For an extreme example, look at Israel and Palestine. Two sides trying to exert a lifestyle, culture, and government on each other. It goes nowhere.

Also, I do not want the US to turtle in regarding economics, and I definitely don't want any sort of communist state, as any form of left-based economics (whether it be communism, socialism, or the more moderate but still retarded ideas put forth by the democrats) has so far proven itself not to work on a long-term basis. Ending immigration =/= ending capitalism. If businesses want to extend to other countries, then the responsibility to learn the language, culture, etc. rests upon them, not the American government or its citizens. Plus this would also be a useful tool for encouraging businesses to trade with other western and more-western friendly countries without involving government intrusion on the economy. And also to build up our own infrastructure and resource base instead of becoming dependent on foreign sources.

Looking at Europe, we can see what happens when you fuck up with culture and immigration. Fortunately, the problem in America is nowhere near as bad, so we don't need to violate our constitution. Ideally, immigrants wouldn't be counted as citizens and would have significantly less political power/representation, but that's a tad unrealistic. Just end immigration, crack down on illegals, and don't bend over to current ones (meaning asserting English as the national language and not giving special treatment, favors, or protection). Contain the problem before it gets worse. If the minority immigrants don't like it, they can shut up or gtfo.

And apologies for the late response. Work and school consume a lot of time these days.

I don't know if you realize this but u kinda do have some communist tendencies .. if u read more about communism you'll find out that this is how the russians wanted it to be 50 years ago.

anyways, what you said holds a large portion of truth, but i think you fail at understanding the positive role immigrants play (coz basicaly there has to be a good benefit from it or else the government wouldnt have allowed it in the first place) ... immigrants are what made the USA what it is today ... from scientific discoveries which most of the time (if not all of the time) made by immigrant scientists in the USA as their countries lacked funding or interest ... and even shitty jobs like gardening and flipping burgers is left to immigrants to do so you can have your american dream and sit on a comfy couch watching your big ass TV enjoying your health insurance and your welfare checks (if you dont work) while those immigrants are doing either all the shitty jobs that no americans want to do, or they're contributing to your country by scientific advances and inventions and enriching your culture. i'm not saying that all immigration is good, low-grade immigration (illegals) increase the level of crime, and they turn areas into slums, and other shit like that.. and non-open minded immigrants (as you mentioned) have the power to vote and change things into their ways ... however, most of those immigrants children are born american and live according to american culture and are not so fond of their parents culture and strict way of life ... also, no certain minority group has grown enough to impose its culture on the others, and that is why the USA makes that 'diversity visa' programme to grant visas to minorities that constitute a low percentage of the population to balance them with other abundant minorities so that no sub-culture would be dominant .. and if it werent for that programme, the USA would have turned into a second China or Mexico (largest immigration source-countries)

in my opinion, what the americans ought to do is to grant some kind of 'defence' of the constitution from being changed or voted to change, coz it is what makes america what it is today ... even if the (for example) american muslim population exceeds the 50% and they decide that the US should be an islamic state and go by sharia law, they wouldnt be able to vote the constitution change and the constitution would remain secular so that they really wouldnt have the power to change the core concepts that the USA was founded upon ..

PS: you wouldn't know it but we welcome westerners-immigration to the middle east, and alot of american middle-class or higher-middle class familes move to the middle east (especially dubai and abu-dhabi) and they get paid at least four times what an employee of another nationality would get, and they get treated with the highest respect and their social standard skyrockets and they become extremely rich. and MOST of the time they're preferred to nationals just coz they're american and they take our jobs, but you dont see us bitching about it.

Written by Zombie on 04.11.2010 at 15:33

I don't know if you realize this but u kinda do have some communist tendencies .. if u read more about communism you'll find out that this is how the russians wanted it to be 50 years ago.

anyways, what you said holds a large portion of truth, but i think you fail at understanding the positive role immigrants play (coz basicaly there has to be a good benefit from it or else the government wouldnt have allowed it in the first place) ... immigrants are what made the USA what it is today ... from scientific discoveries which most of the time (if not all of the time) made by immigrant scientists in the USA as their countries lacked funding or interest ... and even shitty jobs like gardening and flipping burgers is left to immigrants to do so you can have your american dream and sit on a comfy couch watching your big ass TV enjoying your health insurance and your welfare checks (if you dont work) while those immigrants are doing either all the shitty jobs that no americans want to do, or they're contributing to your country by scientific advances and inventions and enriching your culture. i'm not saying that all immigration is good, low-grade immigration (illegals) increase the level of crime, and they turn areas into slums, and other shit like that.. and non-open minded immigrants (as you mentioned) have the power to vote and change things into their ways ... however, most of those immigrants children are born american and live according to american culture and are not so fond of their parents culture and strict way of life ... also, no certain minority group has grown enough to impose its culture on the others, and that is why the USA makes that 'diversity visa' programme to grant visas to minorities that constitute a low percentage of the population to balance them with other abundant minorities so that no sub-culture would be dominant .. and if it werent for that programme, the USA would have turned into a second China or Mexico (largest immigration source-countries)

in my opinion, what the americans ought to do is to grant some kind of 'defence' of the constitution from being changed or voted to change, coz it is what makes america what it is today ... even if the (for example) american muslim population exceeds the 50% and they decide that the US should be an islamic state and go by sharia law, they wouldnt be able to vote the constitution change and the constitution would remain secular so that they really wouldnt have the power to change the core concepts that the USA was founded upon ..

PS: you wouldn't know it but we welcome westerners-immigration to the middle east, and alot of american middle-class or higher-middle class familes move to the middle east (especially dubai and abu-dhabi) and they get paid at least four times what an employee of another nationality would get, and they get treated with the highest respect and their social standard skyrockets and they become extremely rich. and MOST of the time they're preferred to nationals just coz they're american and they take our jobs, but you dont see us bitching about it.

There's way more to communism than that. I definitely don't believe in strong government regulation of the economy (an economy is a chaotic system trying to stabilize itself, any attempt to control it throws it more out of whack), and subsidizing life is pretty counter-productive to a healthy society. No corporate bailouts, no individual welfare. Can't make a living without prostituting yourself? Too bad. Dragging the rest of society to mediocrity by making them responsible for failures and/or people born into unfortunate situations makes no sense, and if a welfare system keeps expanding, it'll eventually cave in (unless you hemorrhage everything with taxes, which kills other parts of the economy) . Unlimited demands vs limited resources. If life was meant to be fair, genetic mutations/abnormalities wouldn't exist, nor would natural disasters.

Trying to balance out minority groups with each other leads to more bitching and fighting, each side with their own demands, unable to reach a consensus. Inevitably, the scale gets tilted in favor of some groups at the expense of others. And the politicians/media get to use this as a way to distract the population from their own ineptitude. Nothing like a racial conflict to keep people focused away from government fuckups. Also, it makes no sense to create a "stimulus package" with the hopes of creating new jobs while simultaneously allowing people to pour in from other countries. We have plenty of people as is, and as our society continues to dumb down, we'll have more than enough to fill basic minimum wage/manual labor jobs. In the field of scientific advances, if we stop immigration, that will provide more of an incentive for kids to pursue higher education, especially if the reward is greater. And nothing's stopping us from trading technology with other advanced countries.

Problem is, if hardcore Muslims exceed 50% and manage to get all the right people in the right places with the right support, anything can be overridden. The constitution isn't a magical force. Thankfully, the chance of that happening is nonexistent. Let's keep it that way. And if the UAE wants to let Americans in to take jobs/influence their culture, that's their choice to make. Just as America needs to make its own decision, hopefully something that's logical.

Nice thread, I was actually just thinking about this the other day.

My politics are very left-wing but Judaism and Islam are NOT above criticism. Whether the bashing is racist or not depends on the nature in which you bash.

I don't identify as an anti-semetic person because I don't wanna throw them all in an oven or drag them from the tail end of my car or anything. However, here are the problems I have with Jews:

- They hog up the holocaust as if they are the ONLY ONES who died there! What about the gays, gypsies, handicaps, communists??
-One of their stereotypes that Neo-Nazis constantly bag on them for is that they're all Liers. All I have to say about that is well, they did write the Torrah and many of them do claim that they were once slaves to the Egyptians (as told in the Torrah/Old Testament), but then howcome this is found nowhere in Egyptian History?

I'm not afraid to criticise Judaism!

I have met Jews before, they seem very warm and pleasant, but they were also very good at economics, very cheap (like their stereotype) and one of them did in fact screw me over most recently.


Islam, as long as I'm being honest, well......when they get oppressed in society by racist biggots, it's difficult for me to feel sorry for them. I feel like they put themselves in that position. The women bitch and freak out if someone pulls off their burkah, but maybe if they'd focus more on what really matters rather than something material and trivial like that, then maybe their religion wouldn't suck so much ass! Bad priorities! Back in high school, I argued with a British/Nigerian person in my grade who was a muslim, what I said wasn't even that offensive, all I did was politely criticise the purpose of the women covering up......and he got all defensive, all I was thinking was "What a pussy.....so pathetic".

I am also not afraid to criticise Islam, it's a joke......they get just as defensive as Christians when logic/reasoning is brought up.

I personally, have always been against all organised religion aside from Buddhism and Hinduism, as they have always been peaceful, non-prejudicial religions. I think most non-religious people who have a problem with religion, do not only have a problem with Christianity specifically. In recent years, Judaism and Islam have started to come in for severe criticsm just like Christianity. I think why before then, Christianity got most venom directed at it in the Western world, was/is because the church seemed to have too much power when it came to domestic affairs, and political decisions. Even today, mixing church and state seems to be a particular problem in the US. But in recent years, Judaism and Islam have come to be seen in a negative light by many as well. Mainly due to portrayals in the media that have painted neither religion in a very good light. Especially Islam.

Written by [user id=160] on 27.11.2011 at 04:49
- They hog up the holocaust as if they are the ONLY ONES who died there! What about the gays, gypsies, handicaps, communists??

It's not only because of that. Everywhere (including history textbooks), only the Jews are (or predominantly) mentioned as Holocaust victims, with no or little reference to the other victims.

Call it the International Jewish Conspiracy?'s plot if you want.

That's because the Holocaust is the only bad thing to ever happen to anyone.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 05.12.2011 at 23:59

That's because the Holocaust is the only bad thing to ever happen to anyone.

Best post ever.

Religion is a crock of poop.

And why is that?

Written by Twilight on 22.12.2011 at 00:09
And why is that?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/enslavement

Written by Angelic Storm on 05.12.2011 at 21:56

I personally, have always been against all organised religion aside from Buddhism and Hinduism, as they have always been peaceful, non-prejudicial religions.

In my country people young old even kids go to pagoda knee and do some procedure on the altar where is god sculpture or picture, and when they go home or out they fight, kill, bully, go corrupt, blow with knife and sword, treat each other bad but worshiping Buddhist gods, also hating other religion, just don't ignite a fight, but no way they are friendly non prejudicial...

In Hindi country, some place women are put to be prostitutes and a lot of bully from school and teacher.

I don't think any religion bad or good, only their leaders their human nature fuck everything up.

BIG which I think: religions are good for personal self-growth/self-development, rather than mass-crowd congregation.

Seeing who posted the opening post, I'm pretty sure his views stemmed from the conflict between serbian orthodox Christianity and Islam in Kosovo.

Imo Judaism and Islam are also not above criticism, quite the contrary. I think some people have developed a very sensitive attitude towards this in the past years, and imo it's not justified at all.. it's not like either side is without fault (the Crusades, Jihad, or the forceful overtaking of arabic lands by Israel). I think that dialogue, communication and tolerance is the way to go to end all this hatred that's going on between these three sides. The old conservative types would never agree to that though and would rather see their own children die in meaningless wars instead of getting an open mind and accepting that in this world there's people who think differently :

Now if you don't heed people who see everything as anti-semitism, then Judaism should be a pretty easy subject to criticize (leaving aside pogroms, the holocaust, or the spontaneous attacks on jews throughout history of course). However with Islam it's tricky.. I live in an extremely low-Muslim society, and it should be quite easy to write anti-jihad songs and stuff, but in cities with a huge percentage of Muslims (some of which are pretty fucked up in the head) like Malmo, Hamburg or Marseille, well.. you need to keep it down a bit so to say. I'm not saying this is a normal situation in any way, but imo there's some things you need to realise and adapt to in these high-muslim population areas. Another very interesting thing is that in Malmo there have been lots of reports of Muslim teen gangs attacking Jews in the streets, which imo is also completely wrong.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 22.12.2011 at 00:17

Written by Twilight on 22.12.2011 at 00:09
And why is that?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/enslavement

So buddhists are also all slaves?
Are you sure you know enough about what religion is to claim something like this?

Of course I understand that the majority of religious folk are quite dogmatic and narrow-minded. But that doesn't mean that religion, in itself, is bad. It's just these people that bend all the religious texts to what they think is the best way of interpretation.
It means that there are just many many people that are too stupid to think for themselves.

Written by Twilight on 22.12.2011 at 12:47
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You must not have a good sense of humor.

Ah. Maybe I don't. But I know that I am sometimes not very good at detecting sarcasm, sorry.

Written by Twilight on 22.12.2011 at 20:01
Ah. Maybe I don't. But I know that I am sometimes not very good at detecting sarcasm, sorry.

No worries. It's not like there's a sarcasm font.

But ya, I think what you said is right. Most people think of religion as the extremist crap you hear about in the news all the time. It's almost like people can't just have faith anymore - they're all suicide bombers or inbred redneck idiots picketing funerals. It's unfortunate but negativity and shock value sells and that's all we hear about.

It's very rare in this day and age you hear about religion helping out in any way positive. The only time we hear about the Pope on TV is if he stirs up a controversy, or the only time we hear about Muslims is when someone is blown up. And that feeds the stereotypes that I presented. Everyone in the Middle East is a terrorist. Everyone in the Southern US is part of a crazed cult. It's terrible.

Religion helps out because a person deludes himself long enough to improve himself. Then again, that's how everything works, so point taken.

There isn't a sarcasm font, but there's these babies: <sarcasm>JD is a funny, intellectual person.</sarcasm>

I think bashing on any and all religions is the intelligent thing for us to do as a species. While at a time it is what advanced civilization, it is now that which holds us back. Most religions are fundamentally similar in nature and I think they all fall victim to the same pitfalls and SHOULD be receiving insults from INTELLIGENT MODERN HUMAN BEINGS WITH FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

This is quite a big image. I found it somewhere posted on a board using the [img]-tags, but I'll save you the pain of having to scroll. Only if you -want- it!

Here it is: http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/1325701_700b.jpg

I kinda like it!

Written by Twilight on 08.01.2012 at 00:29

This is quite a big image. I found it somewhere posted on a board using the [img]-tags, but I'll save you the pain of having to scroll. Only if you -want- it!

Here it is: http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/1325701_700b.jpg

I kinda like it!

Bingo. A good message. Thank you.