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Posted by Unknown user, 28.08.2006 - 01:36
Over the course of the last two weeks i have seen a lot of references to communism, unanimously either dismissive of it's possibility or simply against it because of the whole Soviet experiment in the 20th century.

This thread is one for educating the mass of metalstormers just what communism is about, why communists believe it is a viable economic model, and the history of communism, and hopefully there are some commies here apart from me who can contribute to discussion about the finer and undecided points (what form should the revolution take, where/when, etc).

Here's a few starting points that i want to make quite clear:

1) There has never been a communist society existing on a national level. None have ever claimed to be communist. Of the very few that call themselves socialist, hardly any are truly socialist in the actual literal definition of the word. Referring to china, north korea or russia in this thread is pointless, as none of those are connected in any meaningful manner to Communism.

2) Communism is the STATELESS society achieved after an international proletarian revolution, which abolishes the oppressive capitalist system in all it's forms, and to it's deepest roots. I'm talking total and complete wiping of the board and remaking it all. No more money, no more companies, no more countries, no more employment, no more religion (negotiable according to some communists), an entire life change. This comes to be after a lengthy and natural transition period known as socialism, where an organization of workers coordinates the activities the proletariat for it's own benefit.

3) Communism means revolution, and not some wussy social revolution. It cannot be achieved through the political system, the political system must be overthrown and destroyed, as it (like all institutions of our society) exists solely to concentrate power (and therefore money) in the hands of a few. The scale and conduct of the revolution is a matter of debate amongst communists.

4) Anarchism (in it's pure form) is exactly as above, except that anarchists believe that we will be able to, and must, slip straight into communism after the revolution, so i count anarchists as communists. Henceforth then people adhering to the principles stated above will be referred to as marxists.



Question, comment, challenge or even flame, but please oh please at least have read this post before writing "COMMIES FVKK3D UP RUSSKIELAND!!11", or even a coherent and valid post raging against the PRK, PRC or (former)USSR. And any other MS commies lend a hand please!
06.06.2007 - 20:43
Necronomicon
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another thing its sad how you dont belive in humans. do you think that the only think that prevents humans from doing crimes is because of laws?
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13.06.2007 - 10:46
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I agree with Necronomicon. For example, I doubt that most people do not kill and rape only because of the fear to get punished by laws. And if most people are against such acts, which I believe they are, then people who want to do bad things will be ignored by society and have pressure on them and be isolated and will be dealt with. It is a probably a question about human nature, if you believe that humans are naturally greedy and bad, then I can understand why you don't like such society. Some believe that humans mature and solidar enough to take care of themselves. So it depends on wether you have faith in humans. But I think here would also be appropriate to say, that before making decisions about humans, one might consider that environment where they have grown up might have strong influence on them. So if someone grows up in a society, where all have every-man-for-himself attitude, he might not suit in an anarchistic or communistic society, while people grown up in a different environment are not like that(for example level of sharing and mutual aid is very high in some african tribes).

Hm, about the Japanese army, Legend Destroyer, although it was a tragic event I don't think it is a very good example, they were part of a militaristic country and taught to hate Chinese, as far as I know, so there is no wonder they behaved like that. Also these soldiers didn't want anarchy, did they, they probably just wanted to use the situation where there were no laws to fulfill their desires, also one important point of anarchy is the absence of hierarchy, and thus oppression, unlike it was there in Nanking. In addition, I can name societies without laws that worked, and stopped only because someone else conquered them, for example anarcho-communists in Ukraine who were destroyed by Bolsheviks in the end. But I haven't researched this part of history very much.
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13.06.2007 - 23:33
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Written by [user id=20090] on 13.06.2007 at 10:46

before making decisions about humans, one might consider that environment where they have grown up might have strong influence on them. So if someone grows up in a society, where all have every-man-for-himself attitude, he might not suit in an anarchistic or communistic society, while people grown up in a different environment are not like that(for example level of sharing and mutual aid is very high in some african tribes).

exactly enviroment is the answer why people do what they do. And that is why you cant transfer a modern human that have grown up in a capitalistic world to live in communistic and that is also why the karl marx said befere the communistic utopia there is a socialistic society as a transistion to communism where the induavilisme is changed with collectivism and so on.
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15.06.2007 - 18:27
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if you see it correctly there never was communism in russia because marx says that you need a proletarian revolution against the Bourgeoisie but in russia at that time ca. 2% were proletarians the rest were farmers so you can see that lenin did not achive the socialism that marx was talking about and because there has to be socialism before you can get communism in russia never was communism!!!


this was sure one reason why it had to go bad!!


i wounder why there are so less communistic fractions in our days??
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16.06.2007 - 12:48
Konrad
Mormon Storm
http://www.worldreports.org/

This website does not discuss Communism in THEORY, but it deals heavily with analzying soviet tactics.
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19.06.2007 - 13:33
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Tage Westerlund
Written by Konrad on 16.06.2007 at 12:48

http://www.worldreports.org/

This website does not discuss Communism in THEORY, but it deals heavily with analzying soviet tactics.

Then beter read thos ebooks what are in that site its more better how that site
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30.06.2007 - 05:26
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K7 is communist! lol
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30.06.2007 - 07:50
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Comrade..... youve been at this a while, your disertation on how communism has never been tried in practice and works best in theory. The same could be said for the opposite .. Capitalism. It too has never been tried purely in practice. This leaves us with "Reality". Reality has proven time and time again that a people of lesser govt react more positive than a people of more govt. I shall site irrifutable examples.

North south Korea.... Who is more prosporus??
North or South Vietnam ?
China or Tiawan
East West Germany?
United States or Canada

All examples have countries with simular natural Resources and yet the govt of choice is the determining factor!!

Sorry my friend but reality trumps ideals!!
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09.07.2007 - 13:37
Konrad
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If I am Comrade...

Who said anything about Capitalism? Capitalism doesn't work either...

Look my entire point is that people get power hungry. I guess it's human nature or something...I don't really know I've never been power hungry. But regardless, Communism and Capitalism do not work...because people suck. So I really wasn't trying to say how much better Capitalism is than Communism. After all, I am Christian and wouldn't Christianity be a form of 'perfected communism'? Like I said, I'm not against the idea it just is not going to work...wait and see.
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10.07.2007 - 04:03
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The communism as we know it (the CCCP) was not communism - it was more like a tyranny just hid away by a name.Karl Marx's communism would be perfect, but, unfortunately, the human mind (with all it's greed, anger etc.) cannot let this happen. Sad as it is...
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16.07.2007 - 13:49
Anton Alcolust
communism = fascism ! death to all
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17.07.2007 - 04:13
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Written by Anton Alcolust on 16.07.2007 at 13:49

communism = fascism ! death to all

Their are capitalist dictator that are ten times more brutal then what their have been communist ones. So capitalism = fascism too.
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17.07.2007 - 10:35
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Tage Westerlund
Written by Anton Alcolust on 16.07.2007 at 13:49

communism = fascism ! death to all

I agree because bout has simmilar thinks moustly diference are name
those two thinks can not existe whit out each other
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19.07.2007 - 10:35
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Written by [user id=24632] on 17.07.2007 at 04:13

Written by Anton Alcolust on 16.07.2007 at 13:49

communism = fascism ! death to all

Their are capitalist dictator that are ten times more brutal then what their have been communist ones. So capitalism = fascism too.

like your president ?
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19.07.2007 - 20:54
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Written by Anton Alcolust on 19.07.2007 at 10:35

Written by [user id=24632] on 17.07.2007 at 04:13

Written by Anton Alcolust on 16.07.2007 at 13:49

communism = fascism ! death to all

Their are capitalist dictator that are ten times more brutal then what their have been communist ones. So capitalism = fascism too.

like your president ?


Man bad think what neo nazies say
'Foreberes are wellcome to our land, but like tourists, thay shood live and work in them home country'
Somehow i dont agree whit German nazies
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26.07.2007 - 19:01
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Written by Anton Alcolust on 16.07.2007 at 13:49

communism = fascism ! death to all

You are completely wrong. Neither in theory nor in practice do these ideologies look a bit like each other. First of all, while Communism has a philosophical background (Historical Materialism, Hegel, Marx, Adorno...), Fascism is just a mixture of (mostly discriminating) unfounded theories with the sole goal to unite society in the belief of a powerful nation under a strong leader, with a well-defined social and military hierarchy, and of fighting actual criminals and potential ones. Second, while Communism can only be defined as Totalitarian (which means that the Party has the right and duty to interfere in practically every aspect of life, especially in those where politics should have no place in: sports, education, social meetings...), Fascism might be Totalitarian (like German National Socialism or Afghan Talibanism) but also Authoritarian (i.e. a society with no freedom of the press or freedom of speech where the leader always decides what to do and treats his population like slaves, but where some social aspects like business or sports are left alone by the ruling party). This is the case, for example, of Iberian and South American Fascism (Franco, Salazar, Pinochet, Videla...) or Horthy's Hungary: those were inhuman tyrannies with a free market and mostly a lack of political control in the influence of external agents (for example: in the 70's, Spanish people usually crossed the French border to watch porn movies in Perpignan, lol, and Latin American Marxists were able to gather revolutionary information and meet outside the borders of their respective Fascist countries like Chile or Paraguay), unlike the Third Reich, North Korea or East Germany.

You cannot name any similarities between Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet, Salazar etc. and Stalin or Pol Pot as an argument to remark how close Fascists and Communists (Stalinists) are to each other. All of them were no dictators but tyrants. Communism is the dictatorship of the proletariat, not a newborn tyranny: Stalinism is another form of Fascism, where the people are now exploited by a new ruling class: the Party officials, who now accumulate capital in the name of the State and further impoverish the workers. Stalinism is not an extreme form of Socialism (that's Anarchism, which I do not support either by the way) but a tyranny under state capitalism.

As far as I am concerned, I am a Leninist. I support the workers' revolution and the ending of capitalism in the whole world.
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27.07.2007 - 11:38
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Written by Taktsekte on 26.07.2007 at 19:01

Written by Anton Alcolust on 16.07.2007 at 13:49

communism = fascism ! death to all

You are completely wrong. Neither in theory nor in practice do these ideologies look a bit like each other. First of all, while Communism has a philosophical background (Historical Materialism, Hegel, Marx, Adorno...), Fascism is just a mixture of (mostly discriminating) unfounded theories with the sole goal to unite society in the belief of a powerful nation under a strong leader, with a well-defined social and military hierarchy, and of fighting actual criminals and potential ones. Second, while Communism can only be defined as Totalitarian (which means that the Party has the right and duty to interfere in practically every aspect of life, especially in those where politics should have no place in: sports, education, social meetings...), Fascism might be Totalitarian (like German National Socialism or Afghan Talibanism) but also Authoritarian (i.e. a society with no freedom of the press or freedom of speech where the leader always decides what to do and treats his population like slaves, but where some social aspects like business or sports are left alone by the ruling party). This is the case, for example, of Iberian and South American Fascism (Franco, Salazar, Pinochet, Videla...) or Horthy's Hungary: those were inhuman tyrannies with a free market and mostly a lack of political control in the influence of external agents (for example: in the 70's, Spanish people usually crossed the French border to watch porn movies in Perpignan, lol, and Latin American Marxists were able to gather revolutionary information and meet outside the borders of their respective Fascist countries like Chile or Paraguay), unlike the Third Reich, North Korea or East Germany.

You cannot name any similarities between Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet, Salazar etc. and Stalin or Pol Pot as an argument to remark how close Fascists and Communists (Stalinists) are to each other. All of them were no dictators but tyrants. Communism is the dictatorship of the proletariat, not a newborn tyranny: Stalinism is another form of Fascism, where the people are now exploited by a new ruling class: the Party officials, who now accumulate capital in the name of the State and further impoverish the workers. Stalinism is not an extreme form of Socialism (that's Anarchism, which I do not support either by the way) but a tyranny under state capitalism.

As far as I am concerned, I am a Leninist. I support the workers' revolution and the ending of capitalism in the whole world.

But he mean ''comunism+faschism=same'' no in idiology but in practic works and in some idiology and comunism in USSR after Lenin was totaly diferent in Stalin years and non Marks, Engel, Lenin works wa snot so easy getible, thhay was werry rear even boocks was more how needet, Stalin think Lenin, engel, Mark bocks was treth so it was forbiden ...

... but bout kill ppl , bout was non democratic reagimes and so on and Fsachist so heavy learn of comunists specely tourture methods ...
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27.07.2007 - 12:43
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exactly my dear K7
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27.07.2007 - 17:39
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But you cannot say "in practice, Fascism and Communism are the same" because Communism has never been largely applied except, to some extent, in certain small communities (agrarian cooperatives, kibbutzim, hippy communes...); by the way, they do not really need any democratic structures to work properly, and torture methods are used in countries that nowadays want to sell themselves as paladins for democracy like the USA (Guantanamo anyone?) or the Russian Federation (ask those Chechnyan mutilated children and raped women about the Russian "peacekeeping" soldiers). Anyway, these have nothing to do with the former Eastern Bloc. Stalin's Soviet Union was Stalinist, period.
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27.07.2007 - 21:37
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Written by Taktsekte on 27.07.2007 at 17:39

But you cannot say "in practice, Fascism and Communism are the same" because Communism has never been largely applied except, to some extent, in certain small communities (agrarian cooperatives, kibbutzim, hippy communes...); by the way, they do not really need any democratic structures to work properly, and torture methods are used in countries that nowadays want to sell themselves as paladins for democracy like the USA (Guantanamo anyone?) or the Russian Federation (ask those Chechnyan mutilated children and raped women about the Russian "peacekeeping" soldiers). Anyway, these have nothing to do with the former Eastern Bloc. Stalin's Soviet Union was Stalinist, period.

Chernobil what you know about it?
Ok look to nowdays germany and look to Russia and ... what you see

Such deasises shood be killed in begi ing Wester Europe can save tsar in 1918-1920
Same like thay can save Poland in 1939, no thay shood also thay can stop Hitler in 1934 when he goes to that arean dunno name
Hitler say when SS pass ther ein it was hardest night in his life because he was afraid of French reaction, but thay didnbt do nothing ...

Why all ex faschsitic countries love comunist, but ex comunistic countries love nazism(ex-Yugo dont counts)
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30.07.2007 - 18:31
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Written by Anthem on 30.06.2007 at 07:50

Comrade..... youve been at this a while, your disertation on how communism has never been tried in practice and works best in theory. The same could be said for the opposite .. Capitalism. It too has never been tried purely in practice. This leaves us with "Reality". Reality has proven time and time again that a people of lesser govt react more positive than a people of more govt. I shall site irrifutable examples.

North south Korea.... Who is more prosporus??
North or South Vietnam ?
China or Tiawan
East West Germany?
United States or Canada

All examples have countries with simular natural Resources and yet the govt of choice is the determining factor!!

Sorry my friend but reality trumps ideals!!

USA or canada? lol is canada socialist or what are you saying..

what do you mean that capitalism has not been tried? every worker around lives under capitalism every fucking day!
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30.07.2007 - 18:41
Necronomicon
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and one more thing! every body says "communism cant work because people are greedy" no people are not born greedy its not part of the human nature! we learn to become greedy because the world is build on induvialistic ideals and we are indoctrinated to become greedy.
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14.10.2007 - 14:14
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Comrade Comrade Frosty i salute you and send you my regards....
Communism is actually a ... how can i express it.... more like a medium and a way of living, a style which will make humans become humans, and not the opposite as some may think.
It aids the world's progression to become more humane, forces equality, and demolishes greed creating a better world. The big problem is that humans are not ready to face such excellent regime and cannot keep up with its way of thinking. The problem in communism lies in its idealism for our time... It just came just very early. But the time will come, and the world will wake, and i believe sooner or later, communism will prevail
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18.10.2007 - 16:18
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Written by [user id=5381] on 14.10.2007 at 14:14

Comrade Comrade Frosty i salute you and send you my regards....
Communism is actually a ... how can i express it.... more like a medium and a way of living, a style which will make humans become humans, and not the opposite as some may think.
It aids the world's progression to become more humane, forces equality, and demolishes greed creating a better world. The big problem is that humans are not ready to face such excellent regime and cannot keep up with its way of thinking. The problem in communism lies in its idealism for our time... It just came just very early. But the time will come, and the world will wake, and i believe sooner or later, communism will prevail

I totaly agree.To change a whole society will take years , maybe centuries , but it will be worth it .Every man should try live like that.Call me crazy but I hate it when I see a dady's boy getting everything on a silver plate , while others work their whole lives just to have for food and a place to sleep."Kojto ne raboti , ne trjabva da jade"(Who doesn't work , shouldn't eat) - It's an old Bulgarian saying that I think makes my point. Also i have a good example what should be communism: If you have 2 breads and only need one and see someone who has none you give him one bread. In the case of capitalism you would just continue on your way. The reason that communism failed is that the people on top got greedy and that you had no freedom of speech nor any kind of art. People think that Tibet was a paradise before China , but they're so wrong. Those who weren't of blue blood or monks were treated like in the medieval ages. They were illiterate , exploited and had brutal punishment for disobeying ( their hands were cut off for stealing or their eyes were gouged off). With the coming of communism they were given basic education , the laws were the same for everyone and the standard of living was improved.The greatest bullshit nowadays is that a country is considered communistic if it doesn't do as the world powers say. Now in Serbia everything is done by the will of the EU. Everyone says that privatisation is the best choice , but in Serbia's case it's worse.Many people are unemployed or doing jobs far worse than they should be (college graduates clean toilets and work in bars while those with "connections" have better jobs. The goverment is always blackmailed for the war crimes 1991-95 and this goverment had nothing to do with it. Both capitalism and communism have their flaws and virtues.
P.S. Smrt fasizmu- sloboda narodu( death to fascism - freedom to the people )
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19.10.2007 - 06:22
Anthem
It pains me to see that since my June post not a single communist supporter has retorted my points about different countries that prospur and which ones dont.

example.... north south korea, East West Germany, etc. In each of these examples capitalsim exceeds social"ism".

please a response. Which system is superior in practice??
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19.10.2007 - 10:47
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Written by Anthem on 19.10.2007 at 06:22

It pains me to see that since my June post not a single communist supporter has retorted my points about different countries that prospur and which ones dont.

example.... north south korea, East West Germany, etc. In each of these examples capitalsim exceeds social"ism".

please a response. Which system is superior in practice??

Didnt understand what you mean but EAST and WEST Germany dont exist anymore
After WWII when UK, France, USa and USSR ocupay Germany there was 4 'vountries' and then USA, UK France made West germany like one but USSR bastards didnt wanna see old Germany and keep em army there in Germany
Korea same it hepens after Korea war
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19.10.2007 - 11:54
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Written by Bulletdodger on 18.10.2007 at 16:18

I totaly agree.To change a whole society will take years , maybe centuries , but it will be worth it .Every man should try live like that.Call me crazy but I hate it when I see a dady's boy getting everything on a silver plate , while others work their whole lives just to have for food and a place to sleep."Kojto ne raboti , ne trjabva da jade"(Who doesn't work , shouldn't eat) - It's an old Bulgarian saying that I think makes my point. Also i have a good example what should be communism: If you have 2 breads and only need one and see someone who has none you give him one bread. In the case of capitalism you would just continue on your way. The reason that communism failed is that the people on top got greedy and that you had no freedom of speech nor any kind of art. People think that Tibet was a paradise before China , but they're so wrong. Those who weren't of blue blood or monks were treated like in the medieval ages. They were illiterate , exploited and had brutal punishment for disobeying ( their hands were cut off for stealing or their eyes were gouged off). With the coming of communism they were given basic education , the laws were the same for everyone and the standard of living was improved.The greatest bullshit nowadays is that a country is considered communistic if it doesn't do as the world powers say. Now in Serbia everything is done by the will of the EU. Everyone says that privatisation is the best choice , but in Serbia's case it's worse.Many people are unemployed or doing jobs far worse than they should be (college graduates clean toilets and work in bars while those with "connections" have better jobs. The goverment is always blackmailed for the war crimes 1991-95 and this goverment had nothing to do with it. Both capitalism and communism have their flaws and virtues.
P.S. Smrt fasizmu- sloboda narodu( death to fascism - freedom to the people )

I won't call you crazy... your totally correct!! And as John Lennon says in his song "Imagine"...
"You may say im a dreamer but i'm not the only one..."
As for the tibetian part... well thats all because of media .... media media media... capitalist propaganda showing people like Bill Gates owning billions of dollars making all the billions of population obssessed & dreaming to become like him (which is actually impossible) neglecting the poor in africa, backing up and defending the greed in the hearts of the people in strong nations so to backup their greedy leaders who need more and more so that they could wage wars and start wars in undeveloped countries for certain reasons in the name of "freedom" and "democracy" which exists only in the minds of their people so that could control oil fields, and divide the masses of the nations to conquer.
This is literarily called being an animal...
Africa needs in the range of maximum amount of 60 billion dollars maybe less so that there will be no more hunger in it, yet still we find ourselves "human beings" supporting our governments and other governments who spend billions and billions of dollars to buy and produce weaponry of mass destruction to kill for gold, for petrolium, for diamonds, for money... and just let someone answer me just anyone... why cant we live in equality?
I think its because we still haven't accuired the acts of human beings... only the name
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19.10.2007 - 15:51
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@CrematorY couldn't agree more
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21.10.2007 - 23:28
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Written by Anthem on 19.10.2007 at 06:22

It pains me to see that since my June post not a single communist supporter has retorted my points about different countries that prospur and which ones dont.

example.... north south korea, East West Germany, etc. In each of these examples capitalsim exceeds social"ism".

please a response. Which system is superior in practice??

I'm not sure I'd call myself a communist but I can offer a short response, if it's okay. As has been said in the first post, communism hasn't actually been tried in practice on a big scale. Of course countries like North Korea and USSR have labeled themselves as striving towards communism but in reality they have little to do with it. In communism there would be no state, common ownership and life would be coordinated by workers themselves, sharing all the goods gained from production. As you can probably see, countries you mentioned are/were quite far from this path(at least in my opinion) and are/were just shallow dictatorships of some people with lust for power.

It is true though that usually the richest countries are with the most capitalist politics, however, often such countries also have bigger differences between rich and poor than others and actually quite high amount of people who live in below average conditions. Also as there are limited amount of resources on earth it is inevitable that if a lot is concentrated into hands of few, little is left for others, so I don't think that all will be rich in capitalist communities or even above the poverty level, because it seems to favor less equal division of wealth more. Of course I can't say for sure, because I haven't researched it extensively but that's how it seems to me now at least.
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23.10.2007 - 10:02
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Written by [user id=20090] on 21.10.2007 at 23:28

Written by Anthem on 19.10.2007 at 06:22

It pains me to see that since my June post not a single communist supporter has retorted my points about different countries that prospur and which ones dont.

example.... north south korea, East West Germany, etc. In each of these examples capitalsim exceeds social"ism".

please a response. Which system is superior in practice??

I'm not sure I'd call myself a communist but I can offer a short response, if it's okay. As has been said in the first post, communism hasn't actually been tried in practice on a big scale. Of course countries like North Korea and USSR have labeled themselves as striving towards communism but in reality they have little to do with it. In communism there would be no state, common ownership and life would be coordinated by workers themselves, sharing all the goods gained from production. As you can probably see, countries you mentioned are/were quite far from this path(at least in my opinion) and are/were just shallow dictatorships of some people with lust for power.

It is true though that usually the richest countries are with the most capitalist politics, however, often such countries also have bigger differences between rich and poor than others and actually quite high amount of people who live in below average conditions. Also as there are limited amount of resources on earth it is inevitable that if a lot is concentrated into hands of few, little is left for others, so I don't think that all will be rich in capitalist communities or even above the poverty level, because it seems to favor less equal division of wealth more. Of course I can't say for sure, because I haven't researched it extensively but that's how it seems to me now at least.

About ussr well in Cuba are huger and lil TrOOler comunism , but I can not understand how ppl can like it, im 100% suport capitalism oly think where can be lil comunism its in alcohol industry specely in Latvia but otherwise look to Cuba, there was what kind a life in 50toes old USA cars great aristocratic buildins, Castro, old cars of USSR thay build sovietic style houses, it rape whoe country in Medeval age it wa sgood taht pll didnt knwo nothing, thay coundl learn bad theories and Trsars fault wa sthat tahy didnt shoot Lenin when thay can
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I stand whit Ukraine and Israel. They have right to defend own citizens.

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I better die, because I never will learn speek english, so I choose dieing
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