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2008 U.S. Presidential Election



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Posted by Konrad, 13.08.2007 - 14:14
...and here it is

With much pontificating on whether to even start this one, (due to the anticipation of a major headache), I present to you the official thread of the 2008 U.S. Presidential election. I am just too damn interested in seeing what everyone (U.S. and non-U.S. citizens alike) thinks. I would like for all of us to approach this in an atypical matter. DO NOT discuss petty issues that are discussed every day by various media outlets. (Abortion, Same-Sex Marriage, Etc.) Such issues have been presented to us with intent to take our minds off of things that are actually important.

Feel free to grace us with your opinions of the Political Candidates, Political Debates, Important Issues such as solutions for Iraq, The role that the U.S. will play in the world, Etc. Try also not to look only 4 years into the future...that is what has gotten the U.S. into so much trouble in the past...

Go 'lite' on posting or quoting tons of links to other sights. Everything should come from yourself...and please keep the personal insults to a minimum...we all (hopefully) have the same goal to make the world a better place. Unfortunately that peace is currently being halted by greedy politicians. Remember to keep the big question in mind: What political figure would be the best for the entire Global community and why? Go at it fools!
20.09.2008 - 21:47
Number Juan
Speaking on the whole Muslim thing, it's kinda sad that a mere rumor has so much prevalence.
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29.09.2008 - 23:40
Hyvaarin
/that it would even matter.
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30.09.2008 - 00:29
AiwiAstwihad
AiryanaKhvarenah
Written by Number Juan on 20.09.2008 at 21:47

Speaking on the whole Muslim thing, it's kinda sad that a mere rumor has so much prevalence.

what are you talking about?
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30.09.2008 - 00:43
Number Juan
Written by AiwiAstwihad on 30.09.2008 at 00:29

Written by Number Juan on 20.09.2008 at 21:47

Speaking on the whole Muslim thing, it's kinda sad that a mere rumor has so much prevalence.

what are you talking about?

The thing about Barack Obama being a secret Muslim being used as a campaign talking point to scare voters away from him.
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30.09.2008 - 00:51
Number Juan
Written by Hyvaarin on 29.09.2008 at 23:40

/that it would even matter.

It's a rumor. It should not be perpetuated. It doesn't matter what his religion is, it matters what mischaracterizations of his character are thrown his way.
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30.09.2008 - 02:21
Doc G.
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All I've really heard from this election is Conan O'briens jokes on it and the odd news clip (I dont watch TV too often), but from what I could tell it seems Obama has got a strong hold on this, is that just because of liberal media dominance or is it actually true? (question directed towards my southern neighbors)
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30.09.2008 - 04:32
Hrothdane
Written by Doc G. on 30.09.2008 at 02:21

All I've really heard from this election is Conan O'briens jokes on it and the odd news clip (I dont watch TV too often), but from what I could tell it seems Obama has got a strong hold on this, is that just because of liberal media dominance or is it actually true? (question directed towards my southern neighbors)

Everything I'm hearing about the election from the media seems to indicate that it will be a pretty close race sadly. Obama will still probably win at this rate, but its gonna be close.
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30.09.2008 - 05:51
+{Jonas}+
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I'd like McCain to win, 'cause he supports a Free Trade Agreement with my country, while Obama doesn't.
Unfortunately McCain is too old... that is deffinitely a low point. Probaly that was hi reason for choosing Sara Palin to compensate it... or so teh analysts say here.
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30.09.2008 - 16:08
AiwiAstwihad
AiryanaKhvarenah
Written by Number Juan on 30.09.2008 at 00:43

The thing about Barack Obama being a secret Muslim being used as a campaign talking point to scare voters away from him.

oooooh, got it.


btw, do you think Obama is so stupid to really negociate with Ahmadinejad with NO precondition or it's just a pre-elections political posture?
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30.09.2008 - 16:27
Hyvaarin
Written by Number Juan on 30.09.2008 at 00:51

Written by Hyvaarin on 29.09.2008 at 23:40

/that it would even matter.

It's a rumor. It should not be perpetuated. It doesn't matter what his religion is, it matters what mischaracterizations of his character are thrown his way.

Yeah man that's what I'm saying. BUllshit that completely unfounded rumours are being spread about him, and bullshit that the kind of people who would fall for them (ie. right wing Christians) even think that they could complain about it if it was true.
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01.10.2008 - 02:33
Number Juan
Written by AiwiAstwihad on 30.09.2008 at 16:08

Written by Number Juan on 30.09.2008 at 00:43

The thing about Barack Obama being a secret Muslim being used as a campaign talking point to scare voters away from him.

oooooh, got it.


btw, do you think Obama is so stupid to really negociate with Ahmadinejad with NO precondition or it's just a pre-elections political posture?

First, I don't even think he ever said that. But I doubt he would do that.
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01.10.2008 - 11:36
AiwiAstwihad
AiryanaKhvarenah
Written by Number Juan on 01.10.2008 at 02:33

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 30.09.2008 at 16:08

Written by Number Juan on 30.09.2008 at 00:43

The thing about Barack Obama being a secret Muslim being used as a campaign talking point to scare voters away from him.

oooooh, got it.


btw, do you think Obama is so stupid to really negociate with Ahmadinejad with NO precondition or it's just a pre-elections political posture?

First, I don't even think he ever said that. But I doubt he would do that.

good, that clown shouldn't even be taken serious let alone negotiating with him...that would be a irreparable mistake for several reasons IMO.
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03.10.2008 - 15:19
Aei Ontos
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Written by AiwiAstwihad on 01.10.2008 at 11:36

Written by Number Juan on 01.10.2008 at 02:33

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 30.09.2008 at 16:08

Written by Number Juan on 30.09.2008 at 00:43

The thing about Barack Obama being a secret Muslim being used as a campaign talking point to scare voters away from him.

oooooh, got it.


btw, do you think Obama is so stupid to really negociate with Ahmadinejad with NO precondition or it's just a pre-elections political posture?

First, I don't even think he ever said that. But I doubt he would do that.

good, that clown shouldn't even be taken serious let alone negotiating with him...that would be a irreparable mistake for several reasons IMO.

He seems to take himself seriously enough to see him as a threat if he would ever get his hands on nucleair weaponry (not literaly)
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04.10.2008 - 04:50
Dangerboner
Lactation Cnslt
I can't believe some people are saying Palin didn't do that bad during last night's debate. I'm moving to Scotland.
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04.10.2008 - 05:16
Hrothdane
Written by Dangerboner on 04.10.2008 at 04:50

I can't believe some people are saying Palin didn't do that bad during last night's debate. I'm moving to Scotland.

She didn't even answer many of the questions; it seemed like she would just talk about what she wanted to. The moderator did a poor job of forcing her to answer questions.
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04.10.2008 - 05:22
Dangerboner
Lactation Cnslt
but at least we learned that McCain is a maverick LMAO

stupid cuntbag needs to get in a plane crash
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04.10.2008 - 07:21
Hrothdane
Written by Dangerboner on 04.10.2008 at 05:22

but at least we learned that McCain is a maverick LMAO

stupid cuntbag needs to get in a plane crash

You should see the things the Russians are writing about her (and they should know b/c russia is right next to alaska! LOL)
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04.10.2008 - 19:54
AiwiAstwihad
AiryanaKhvarenah
Written by [user id=30512] on 03.10.2008 at 15:19

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 01.10.2008 at 11:36

good, that clown shouldn't even be taken serious let alone negotiating with him...that would be a irreparable mistake for several reasons IMO.

He seems to take himself seriously enough to see him as a threat if he would ever get his hands on nucleair weaponry (not literaly).

i can't resist the temptation to ask: whre were you all when that motherfucker (Saddam Husein) droped chemical bombs he had bought from German/English/American/... companies on our cities? things are a little biased, arent they?
but indeed 2 wrongs don't make a right.
btw, the point is that the president himself is nothing, he is just a puppet controlled by The Leader (and his proponents).
IDK but even heavier sanctions don't seem to stop 'em and as it's unbelievable that they only want peaceful nuclear energy when they officially speak of wipping Israel off the map or that blah blah blahs about the final saviour, spiritual world, afterlife, etc.
they must be stopped immediately, military attack isn't an appropriate choice since i'm a patriot afterall.
it might seem radical but the best way to deal with this serious nuclear threat is a regime-change, the more delay, the more stronger they'll become, the harder this change will be...
the other thing is that their propaganda to fool ppl inside the country is based on frightening ppl of an enemy, they quell reformists by connecting 'em to that enemy, they resist against any form of moderation by assigning it to the efforts managed by spies and traitors.
WEST is playing this role now therefore they won't lose this vital subterfuge by negotiating or having freindly relationships with US/Israel, so they will never really negotiate with US... this will be a political suicide for this totalitarian regime. if the president speaks of being ready for negotiations, he dosent really mean it, he's just pathetically trying to look decent but who knows, i can hardly predict what this regime is going to do...it's beyond logic and political theories...
anyway, if there's going to be any direct talk, i think it should be done by Iran's next president who i hopefully guess is of reformists.

sorry if it's a little (JUST a little) off topic...
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06.10.2008 - 03:22
Dangerboner
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06.10.2008 - 20:52
Number Juan
That's great.
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07.10.2008 - 04:19
Insineratehymn
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Written by Hrothdane on 04.10.2008 at 07:21

Written by Dangerboner on 04.10.2008 at 05:22

but at least we learned that McCain is a maverick LMAO

stupid cuntbag needs to get in a plane crash

You should see the things the Russians are writing about her (and they should know b/c russia is right next to alaska! LOL)

Can you provide some articles? I want to have a laugh.
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07.10.2008 - 04:23
Hrothdane
Written by [user id=5630] on 07.10.2008 at 04:19

Written by Hrothdane on 04.10.2008 at 07:21

Written by Dangerboner on 04.10.2008 at 05:22

but at least we learned that McCain is a maverick LMAO

stupid cuntbag needs to get in a plane crash

You should see the things the Russians are writing about her (and they should know b/c russia is right next to alaska! LOL)

Can you provide some articles? I want to have a laugh.

Sorry, I just saw them on the Colbert Report, so I don't know where to find the actual articles >_<
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07.10.2008 - 14:17
m|standy
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I love America; where you can get shot in the face by your second amendment. I'd put my vote towards Obama, McCain and Palin aren't really an option. The options are "Hope" or dead set aids.
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07.10.2008 - 18:10
Introspekrieg
Totemic Lust
Elite
Written by [user id=35302] on 07.10.2008 at 14:17

I love America; where you can get shot in the face by your second amendment. I'd put my vote towards Obama, McCain and Palin aren't really an option. The options are "Hope" or dead set aids.

Yep that's the biggest decided factor for many voters in the US, "Who Won't Take My Gun Away?" Or "Who Would My Pastor Vote For?" (Ironically not "Who Would Jesus Vote For?" because he was a wussy anti-war equal rights liberal...)
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08.10.2008 - 20:06
Ernis
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Written by Introspekrieg on 07.10.2008 at 18:10

Yep that's the biggest decided factor for many voters in the US, "Who Won't Take My Gun Away?" Or "Who Would My Pastor Vote For?" (Ironically not "Who Would Jesus Vote For?" because he was a wussy anti-war equal rights liberal...)

Oh you forgot....because in fact Jesus was not like that....this is just the way the evil catholics and communists in Russia depicted him...with long hair and awful ideas....
The truth is that our Saviour looked just like our great leader and dear Sun, G. W. Bush....nice, neat, lovely and with true ideals....

That's sarcasm btw....partly based upon some homepage of religious fanatics of the US (if not a parody of sect....)
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15.10.2008 - 06:16
Anthem
I can say that Obama will probably win and the world should be happy. He will the first global citizen and will tax ME to no end and redistribute my wealth to all who have not earned it across the globe.

I realize the worlds left hate George Bush, but if Europe had not meddled in the middle east centuries ago we would not be here today. this entire election and the worlds view of the U.S. is defined by Iraq.

I didnt hear a bunch of whinny ass liberals when the U. S. liberated Kuwait. Well actually Joe Biden was a whinny ass liberal then too but i digress. The point is that sure the war was not as planned but neither was WW2 or any other war.

the irony is that history will blame Bush also for this current economic crisis when it was actually Democrats who precipitated it.
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15.10.2008 - 10:24
Introspekrieg
Totemic Lust
Elite
Written by [user id=23805] on 15.10.2008 at 09:21

Taka, you're making me sad. Why is the most knowledgeable person when it comes to the U.S. Presidential election living in Australia? The rest of the world must be really concerned about us. Good to know.

It's a good thing he cares, most of us who this will affect most have become apathetic and refused to make a decision either way... (or an ill-informed one)
Did you say Australia on purpose? It reminds me of that scene in Dumb & Dumber - "I'm from Austria..." "Oh! G'day mate! Put another shrimp on the barbie!"
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16.10.2008 - 06:41
Anthem
Taka , i really do respect the effort you put into your posts. sometimes i wish they were shorter so people who has less time like me could read the intimatly. Your post mostly seemed to resonate on the "
why dont the rich people pay more taxes. Well here in the U.S. here are the numbers.....

50% of the people pay 97% of the tax. In english that means half the people in america have NO vital interest in their own well being.

10% of the people pay 70% of the tax

ahh you also asked about why there was no universal health care in the USA.

My first response is that my govt cant even buy a hammer for the military for less than $500 what makes you think they can provide health care at a discounted rate?

Next the founder of the canadian health care system Claude Castonguay has recently said his system was now in crisis

5% of the people pay 60% of the tax

1% of the people pay 39% of the tax.

Now those you say might just be numbers. Here is the rest of the story.....

The top 1% of the income earners may make 19% of the tax but pay 39% of the tax. ( double their fair share)
The bottom 50% of the income earners make 13% of the income but pay only 3% of the tax.

the leftist panacea of income redistribution of wealth already applies here in the U.S.

i would ask all of you on the left an honest question. Give me a number. Just what should the say richest 10% of the people pay. what percent?

I will try to say this respectfully..... still today many U.S. citizens fell a sense of rugged individualism that perveys our culture. we do not want the govt to fullfill our every need. you may wish upon a star for peace on earth and goodwill towards all ,but all the wishing in the world will not create marxist utopia you all wish for.

Well at the least you all have a U.S. villain to rail on for the time.... lol...... me


good day and good health to you all
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16.10.2008 - 07:05
totaliteraliter
I don't think I'll ever understand the "fuck the poor, I don't want my taxes raised" mentality.

As for the US election, if I were a citizen I don't know if I could be bothered to vote. Both parties seem essentially identical on so many issues.

Written by Anthem on 16.10.2008 at 06:41
Next the founder of the canadian health care system Claude Castonguay has recently said his system was now in crisis

If our system is in crisis, the US system is hell on earth. Was this comment supposed to prove something or just provide a little colour to your barrage of unsourced statistics?
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16.10.2008 - 14:10
Angelique
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Elite
Damn I'd have a lot to say about this issue but to be totally honest I won't bother bacause taka pretty much did it all already. I'd like to add few points tho, it's not only about how much and who will pay taxes it's also about how that tax money is used.. U.S uses brazillion times more money on just military issues than my country's whole yearly budget is, the budget that gives people free education, free health-care and a level of social security. Changing/fixing taxation system doesn't always have to mean raising taxes.

Like taka said, I don't even consider paying taxes really.. the sum in my paycheck it what I eventually get, the price tag on any product is what I pay for it (even I do know there is 22% tax in the price) and I don't really feel like gov would be regulating or monitoring my life.. I see gov as HR department of a company, they handle the paperwork and money flow, also makes sure that the "company education and wellness program" runs smoothly.. personally I feel that the gov is there to serve me or any other individual in this country and the money i pay as taxes is used for common good, I don't owe absolutely anything to the gov but I do have responsibility to keep the system running and help those who haven't been as fortunate as i have.. hell, i might be one of them some day and i sure hope i'll get some help then.

Bact to the issue, I don't know how much Obama will be able to change things but I truly hope that people of U.S will give him a chance, things can only get better at this point.
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