Written by ForeverDarkWoods on 14.03.2011 at 02:26


3. There is no inherent "good" or "bad" property that can be assigned to a certain occurence or individual. If one is to judge Saddam, one must look at what was before, and what it is realistic to believe is to come after. Sure, compared to anything in America, he was extremely "gangster", so to speak. But if one is to look at Iraq, the story becomes more complex, and Iraq must be evaluated from the material conditions that apply in said country, and not from western ideals.

Sorry. I shouldn't have let this one slide.

Please, go tell the Iraqis on whom WMD were used and the families of those for whom the mass graves were dug and the countless Kurds who lived in fear of Ba'athist goons this. You can be damn sure that good and bad can be discerned. Easily, at that. Saddam was, as was evident whenever he did fucking anything, working for himself, and only himself, at the expense of the security and survival of Iraqi peoples. What affects negatively a people's survival and security can and must be considered bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq".

Written by Zombie on 24.03.2011 at 22:10

Written by kokosho on 24.03.2011 at 21:47

u should be the idea of being the next ''IRAQ'' which i think is a lil bit better than Iran

We do not have that many different sects of Islam in Egypt, we almost have no shiaa (very a few and most of them are Iraqi refugees), and Christians are not a minority in the common fashion, they make up about 18% of the population which is quite alot in a country with population over 80 Million people, so civil wars between different followers of different religions would be something that i dont think will happen.
But religious groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, the Salafi movement, and the Jihad groups would surely try to seize control of the country by influencing the simple people, the poor and uneducated masses that are easily manipulated by religious speech (about 60% of the population are poor and uneducated) .. so to turn into new "Iraq" isn't what i fear, maybe Libya would become a new Iraq when western countries "Liberating it" from Qaddafi and then reap their rewards from Libyan oil.. but Egypt is going more down the "Iran" road. The Shah wasn't mush different than Mubarak, and the Imam Khomeini isn't much different than the Muslim Sheikhs or the Salafis.
i really hope the secular opposition become united under one leader (since they all share the same ideology of democracy and equality) and hopefully they'll be lead by Dr. Elbaradei, the guy that refused to provide legitimacy to the US invasion of Iraq, and announced in the UN that there was no reason whatsoever for military intervention in Iraq, and got the Nobel Peace Prize for that, now the ex-ruling party agents accuse him of being THE reason for the war on Iraq, and the simple deluded masses believe them.

PS: Mubarak dug the Suez Canal a few meters deeper so that US warships could safely pass through the canal, and Elbaradei refused to give legitimacy to the war, you be the judge on who is the traitor !

you hit the nail on the head you hope...i hope but hoping is not enough the secular opposition will be united cuz they share the same ideology but do u truely believe that the only thing they want is the best for Egypt?i don't really think so...they will be united cuz this would be the best to everybody at the moment but soon every single group will try to do what they think is right...nothing is 100% right so there will be disagreement and ppl should accept that.. I'm not really worried about those educated ppl I'm ACTUALLY worried about the uneducated ppl and sadly religious groups have got these ppl in control as u said it they're about 60% of the citizens so they can rule the 40% this is what happens here in Iraq that's why i said you should be scared of the idea of Egypt transforming into Iraq
the US invasion of Iraq is something that im sick of talking about..actually I don't give a damn about what Mubarak did to help the Us army to invade Iraq i mean what's done is done if there's one thing that I should worry about it would be what Al-Maliki will do to improve the situation here and to be honest the US invasion of Iraq didn't disturb me I was too young to be disturbed I guess and one the other hand I don't hate Saddam Hussein for the same reason but if what have been said about him is true then I don't have the right to hate the states for that invasion the situation is fucked up anyways maybe being killed by invaders is easier than being killed by someone from your own country

Written by kokosho on 27.03.2011 at 09:00

... maybe being killed by invaders is easier than being killed by someone from your own country

being killed by invaders is better so it would be shihada ?

anyways i think this negative tone we both have will not help our situation much, Iraq -like Egypt- has to realize that a forming secular state is the only way to restore stability and achieve democracy, as sunnis, shiaas, kurds, ... will never let the other group control them, and would fight to prevent that from happening, so a secular system that respects all religions and allows each group to practice its religion freely, and all groups would have equal rights, then the battles between the different sects would turn to be political battles in campaigns, rather than armed militas.

anyways, you still have alot to live for, and if all fails ... screw the country and go live somewhere else !! ... patriotism is overrated, surely everyone is proud of their country and want the best for it, but if there's literally nothing you can do to keep it better and you have tried all your options then getting the hell out of it wouldn't be treason. afterall we're all humans on this earth, we're all equal, and the concept of dividing the world into countries is a man-made invention, so i see no need really for all the fighting.

Would You Sign the Petition in solidarity with families of Sheikh Jarrah!
http://www.standupforjerusalem.org/

Written by Zombie on 27.03.2011 at 10:49

Written by kokosho on 27.03.2011 at 09:00

... maybe being killed by invaders is easier than being killed by someone from your own country

being killed by invaders is better so it would be shihada ?

anyways i think this negative tone we both have will not help our situation much, Iraq -like Egypt- has to realize that a forming secular state is the only way to restore stability and achieve democracy, as sunnis, shiaas, kurds, ... will never let the other group control them, and would fight to prevent that from happening, so a secular system that respects all religions and allows each group to practice its religion freely, and all groups would have equal rights, then the battles between the different sects would turn to be political battles in campaigns, rather than armed militas.

anyways, you still have alot to live for, and if all fails ... screw the country and go live somewhere else !! ... patriotism is overrated, surely everyone is proud of their country and want the best for it, but if there's literally nothing you can do to keep it better and you have tried all your options then getting the hell out of it wouldn't be treason. afterall we're all humans on this earth, we're all equal, and the concept of dividing the world into countries is a man-made invention, so i see no need really for all the fighting.

hahahaha I didn't mean that for sure cuz it's kinda stupid but I just hate the idea of '' Iraqis'' fighting and killing each other cuz it's also stupid

well sunni-shii fighting might last but the arab-kurd thing won't if you what my point of view when things comes to Kurdistan I think the Iraqi government should give them kirkuk cuz they will separate when they get it and when they separate Turkey will invade them and everyone's happy xD
leaving the country is not an option for now cuz I'm kinda sick of seeing ppl leaving this place

Written by Darkside Momo on 19.03.2011 at 00:43

Written by [user id=28526] on 19.03.2011 at 00:34

Some protests started in Syria, and 4 got killed, heard that on news.

Could you please wait a month or two? Gaddafi is not yet dealt with (but thankfully things look better now)... Plus situations in Bahrein and Yemen worsen each, it's difficult to keep track of everything...

this is a good question actually
Guddafi is cool (Libyans will kill me for that xD) obviously i like him cuz he's the funniest politician ever
I'm really sad for Bahrainians their situation is the worst they have to stand against the GCC not their government only plus their government is trying to raise that sunni-shii conflict between them and if they get what they wanted things will be worse sure the GCC will try to do what it takes to stop bahrainians cuz if things work out for the ppl there every government in the GCC will suffer the same (I hope they will xD)

Written by kokosho on 27.03.2011 at 23:20

... if things work out for the ppl there every government in the GCC will suffer the same (I hope they will xD)

yep, fuck saudi arabia, and fuck the united arab emirates

Written by Zombie on 27.03.2011 at 23:32

Written by kokosho on 27.03.2011 at 23:20

... if things work out for the ppl there every government in the GCC will suffer the same (I hope they will xD)

yep, fuck saudi arabia, and fuck the united arab emirates

haha u can add Qatar and Kuwait too but suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure saudi arabia comes first

Written by kokosho on 27.03.2011 at 23:57

haha u can add Qatar and Kuwait too but suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure saudi arabia comes first

Qatar isn't that bad i guess, the income per capita is the highest in the world, everyone's rich and happy, and they have the leading news channels, the best airlines, football stadiums .. u have to admit that Qatar is the leading arab country now .. but kuwait, ugh.. i hate those elitist fags !

Written by Zombie on 28.03.2011 at 03:10

Written by kokosho on 27.03.2011 at 23:57

haha u can add Qatar and Kuwait too but suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure saudi arabia comes first

Qatar isn't that bad i guess, the income per capita is the highest in the world, everyone's rich and happy, and they have the leading news channels, the best airlines, football stadiums .. u have to admit that Qatar is the leading arab country now .. but kuwait, ugh.. i hate those elitist fags !

well I know that but we have to admit that the GCC governments are all the same they'd do anything to keep things under their control and it doesn't matter how many ppl would die for that when you think about it that way you can understand why the GCC army was sent to Bahrain cuz they know if things work out for bahrainians they're going to be ''next''
about Kuwait I won't comment cuz I'm sure you already know everything about the Iraqi-Kuwaiti issue

Written by wormdrink414 on 26.03.2011 at 09:26

Written by ForeverDarkWoods on 14.03.2011 at 02:26


3. There is no inherent "good" or "bad" property that can be assigned to a certain occurence or individual. If one is to judge Saddam, one must look at what was before, and what it is realistic to believe is to come after. Sure, compared to anything in America, he was extremely "gangster", so to speak. But if one is to look at Iraq, the story becomes more complex, and Iraq must be evaluated from the material conditions that apply in said country, and not from western ideals.

Sorry. I shouldn't have let this one slide.

Please, go tell the Iraqis on whom WMD were used and the families of those for whom the mass graves were dug and the countless Kurds who lived in fear of Ba'athist goons this. You can be damn sure that good and bad can be discerned. Easily, at that. Saddam was, as was evident whenever he did fucking anything, working for himself, and only himself, at the expense of the security and survival of Iraqi peoples. What affects negatively a people's survival and security can and must be considered bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq".

I'll get back to you on this when I have the time to write a really long post.

Written by wormdrink414 on 19.03.2011 at 08:48

All I could make out in that video was "baguette, baguette, baseball sucks, fuck baseball".

Just passing over for first time, I just wonder how is that, suddenly all the people of this nations, i say people cuz these are apparentely movements aren't exactly leads by politicians or something, get against their regimes? I mean, these aren't new regimes? So, maybe there is and external element influencing this movements, anyhow, i think those movements,are a good thing, of course we have to wait to see what comes next.

When u say "people" and not "politicians or leaders" then this TRULY means that they aren't influenced or driven by western agendas (as the arab dictators claim), and btw, we've inspired protests in USA, Italy, UK, China, and Africa ..

so, i refuse Mubarak or Gaddafi's accusation of the arab people being "puppets" manipulated by the west, infact, that "west" has supported ALL of those dictators and was the main reason that these dictatorships reigned for that long, or course, we can't blame the west, we blame our governments for making us poor and ignorant so they can control us.. and we thank the Tunisian Bouzizi, the man who set himself on fire when he couldnt deal with the injustice anymore, and inspired mass protests in the middle east and the whole world, so if we're influenced by anything, then it is by this great man, who did not die in vain.

Well I can't say if it's or it's not driven by western, or any other particular agendas, but what i can say is that, for me, these are fair movements. Yet still it's a very curious process.

As I said, the reasons for these protests, i do not think are anything new, I do not have great knowledge of the middle east, and African countries, but just very general, but one get the impression that isn't very well. But in other hand, it's happening in various countries yet, it's not a generalized situation all over. What was the detonating element? it's very hard to know, as you mention the Tunisian person who did what he did, and that for sure it's a very brave action, and deserve all recognition, and for sure it's a inspiration for others, but that would be a symbolic cause. Because firstly there must be something that changed people attitude, let's say from a sociological point of view, there have to be way more than that action to provoke all this reaction.

Giving no importance to that would be unfair, yet it can rest solemnly on it all the "responsibility" of this. That would be just a incomplete analysis of it.

I'm for sure on the side of removing all these dictatorships. But it's not much of advance if then it comes again something similar.

The thing that "changed" peoples attitudes and made them speak now after all those years of silence are actually MANY things, not just one:

1- the revolution in communications of this modern age, organizing a protest and promoting for it is now easier than ever using facebook, twitter, e-mail, and other advanced media that were not available to the people say 10 years ago (yeah, we're that much backwards lol)

2- these old fucktards who ruled us were getting too damn old and were starting to pave the way for their sons to rule, and that was THE biggest motivation to get out in the streets n revolt, coz if we had tolerated the "father" for that long in hopes that he'll die eventually, we cannot wait again for his son to meet his maker.. so people HAD to go to the streets and do something

3- Globalization, satellite and cable and internet chatting and social network sites, made the arab people see that there was an alternative to life that they never knew about, that there is such a system called "democracy" where they will not be slaves and would have their voices heard (believe me, our leaders did their very best to make us too ignorant and poor to even KNOW about the existence of democracy, and to think that our current life is the best we could get and there's no better alternative)

4- Extreme corruption, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely", this is a quote by a great man. the longer you stay in power, the more you start turning into a "god" and being unreasonable, and unwilling to listen to your people, and would assume that your desires have to be met at any cost as if its a god-given right.. so, those dictators grew greedier every day and their children and their associates became greedier too, and the richer they become the poorer the people get, and it just reached the point of no return where people had actually nothing more to lose, their children were already dying of hunger and disease anyways and all they could do was stand watching... so, the thousands who died for the freedom would've died anyways, but they chose to do so in a noble way and for a noble cause.

5- We had given up on asking for the west to help us, as all of the western leaders supported our dictators as long as it means personal profit and gain to them, and they only "help" the people and remove the dictator when that leaders stop cooperating with them and starts to prove useless to them.. best example out there being the Iraqi Saddam Hussein. so, we couldn't wait more for the west to "liberate" us, and knew that this was something that we had to do for ourselves.

It seems that the American troops won't leave Iraq this year as it was supposed to be! (according to what Robert M. Gates said, yesterday)
Anyway I think the American troops don't give a shit about it since they get paid, it has nothing to do with duty.

Written by 0rpheus on 09.04.2011 at 17:49

It seems that the American troops won't leave Iraq this year as it was supposed to be! (according to what Robert M. Gates said, yesterday)
Anyway I think the American troops don't give a shit about it since they get paid, it has nothing to do with duty.

sure they're paid very well not only the U.S. but many other countries too. something that happened few months ago in the South Oil Company you know many investment companies contracted with the South Oil Company and the profit that some company made(I wonder how much ) was enough to make their manager pass out .most of the contacts that the Iraqi government sign won't do any good to the country so the U.S. troops don't have to stay cuz they're gonna be paid anyway ,however the U.S. troops are in Iraq just like any other country in the region sure I can't accept that but this is how it goes til the government try to be a bit faithful to the country they belong to

Written by Zombie on 06.04.2011 at 21:49


5- We had given up on asking for the west to help us, as all of the western leaders supported our dictators as long as it means personal profit and gain to them, and they only "help" the people and remove the dictator when that leaders stop cooperating with them and starts to prove useless to them.. best example out there being the Iraqi Saddam Hussein. so, we couldn't wait more for the west to "liberate" us, and knew that this was something that we had to do for ourselves.

you shouldn't call it liberation cuz sure it's not anyways thank god you guys didn't reach the point we have reached at least for now

Written by Zombie on 05.04.2011 at 19:44

When u say "people" and not "politicians or leaders" then this TRULY means that they aren't influenced or driven by western agendas (as the arab dictators claim), and btw, we've inspired protests in USA, Italy, UK, China, and Africa ..

so, i refuse Mubarak or Gaddafi's accusation of the arab people being "puppets" manipulated by the west, infact, that "west" has supported ALL of those dictators and was the main reason that these dictatorships reigned for that long, or course, we can't blame the west, we blame our governments for making us poor and ignorant so they can control us.. and we thank the Tunisian Bouzizi, the man who set himself on fire when he couldnt deal with the injustice anymore, and inspired mass protests in the middle east and the whole world, so if we're influenced by anything, then it is by this great man, who did not die in vain.

well there's another possibility here I think the ''west'' as you've said it will get some benefits from what's happening in the region let's take the same example you've took Saddam Hussein.when the people here stood up against him in 1991 the U.S.A. allowed him to fly his warplanes at any height to prevent this revolution even though there was no-fly zone in which Iraqi aircraft were prevented to fly so the ''west'' would do the same to Egypt if Mubarak was serving them well but it seems like he was serving himself not Egyptians nor the "west"

Written by kokosho on 09.04.2011 at 21:42

Written by 0rpheus on 09.04.2011 at 17:49

It seems that the American troops won't leave Iraq this year as it was supposed to be! (according to what Robert M. Gates said, yesterday)
Anyway I think the American troops don't give a shit about it since they get paid, it has nothing to do with duty.

sure they're paid very well not only the U.S. but many other countries too. something that happened few months ago in the South Oil Company you know many investment companies contracted with the South Oil Company and the profit that some company made(I wonder how much ) was enough to make their manager pass out .most of the contacts that the Iraqi government sign won't do any good to the country so the U.S. troops don't have to stay cuz they're gonna be paid anyway ,however the U.S. troops are in Iraq just like any other country in the region sure I can't accept that but this is how it goes til the government try to be a bit faithful to the country they belong to

Al-Sadr threatens using Mahdi Army return to war is U.S. troops stay in Iraq‎.
This is the new middle east shit can't we have some peace! fuck 'em all.

Written by 0rpheus on 09.04.2011 at 23:13

Written by kokosho on 09.04.2011 at 21:42

Written by 0rpheus on 09.04.2011 at 17:49

It seems that the American troops won't leave Iraq this year as it was supposed to be! (according to what Robert M. Gates said, yesterday)
Anyway I think the American troops don't give a shit about it since they get paid, it has nothing to do with duty.

sure they're paid very well not only the U.S. but many other countries too. something that happened few months ago in the South Oil Company you know many investment companies contracted with the South Oil Company and the profit that some company made(I wonder how much ) was enough to make their manager pass out .most of the contacts that the Iraqi government sign won't do any good to the country so the U.S. troops don't have to stay cuz they're gonna be paid anyway ,however the U.S. troops are in Iraq just like any other country in the region sure I can't accept that but this is how it goes til the government try to be a bit faithful to the country they belong to

Al-Sadr threatens using Mahdi Army return to war is U.S. troops stay in Iraq‎.
This is the new middle east shit can't we have some peace! fuck 'em all.

yeah I know that and if AL-Mahdi army returns they'll be able to control the south there are many of his followers here and many of them are drug addicts but on the other hand some people follow Muqtada Al-Sadr just because of Muhammad Baqir AL-Sadr and obviously you can't find anything in common between the two except the name but I'm not actually worried about what he's said this guy goes to Iran and have some rest there then he comes back to us with some insane threats it's ok with me to fight against the U.S. troops I wouldn't give a damn but his army usually fights against Iraqis which is a disaster I still remember what his army did to the architecture students what happened there made people realize who he is

Italian activist found dead in Gaza after abduction
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13088630
"The Italian hostage entered our land only to spread corruption." The video called Italy "the infidel state".

What can I say, romance has it's price.
The same chaos could be find with controlling the rocket fire into Israel, other organizations much more extreme (hard to imagine, but there are)
work in Gaza except Hamas.

Well played Israel clapping hard*



R.I.P. Vittorio Arrigoni

Slogans work both ways, Mélomane - I can clap to the clap just as easily and eventually pointlessly.

The approach to language by some is buffling in my eyes.
Because someone calls him self a "peace activist", does not actually make him one (confusing map and territory).
I could call my dog Britney, but I don't see myself shugging her any time soon - if you get my point.

Indeed, romance isn't lacking in ISM.


R.I.P the minds of those stolen in such a degree by propaganda & confused by language, is a better statement I can offer.
I'm sure without romance when it comes to politics, our world would be a better place. Keep it for the relationships.

Of course my cousin I know in the eyes of Israel, any peace activist is just a terrorist!
Ghassan Kanafani, Naji al-Ali, Rachel Corrie, Juliano Mer-Khamis, Vittorio Arrigoni
All those have died because of their terrorist acts!

kes em el politics 3ala kes em el romance w Hallelujah ya em gelgel

Slogans are not appreciated if you don't get it yet, especially those involved in propaganda [the straw men you are talking to, that are suppose to represent my opinion]. Neither is a complex question.
I guess speaking to a mirror does is a part of you're mindset, you're welcome to rumble on mindlessly to the void.

"peace activist", has a really nice sound to it & affective power. Any actual content you can actually offer?

Written by 0rpheus on 15.04.2011 at 21:35

kes em el politics 3ala kes em el romance w Hallelujah ya em gelgel

couldn't agree more XD

BBC (video); Syria unrest: 'Tanks roll into Deraa'

A sign over a burned car says: "Caution! You are in Baniyas, not in Israel". Another says: "Down with the regime".

does any one have updates from Bahraini protests or aljazeera just won't report on that (Shia Islam)?

Written by Candlemass on 25.04.2011 at 11:10

does any one have updates from Bahraini protests or aljazeera just won't report on that (Shia Islam)?

No news, i think since the Saudi forces raided Bahrain and toppled the central square on the protesters the revolution there is kinda over, Saudi Arabia supporting dictatorship their way, the enemies of freedom



On a side note, even thought i'm supportive to the Bahraini revolution, Shia Muslims have the most extremist opinions on Israel (ex: Iran, Syria, and Lebanon), so i guess what has happened is in Israel's best interest, just like all the dictatorships in the middle east was in Israel's best interest (and i quote Beniamin Netanyahu saying: "Hosni Mubarak is a strategic treasure to the security of Israel", and a few days before Mubarak's removal from power he went crying for help in the European Parliament asking the EU to "force" Egypt to respect its peace treaty with Israel)