BitterCOld The Ancient One AdminPosts: 15287 |
i'll have to check out Echo and the Bunnymen again. used to have a couple cd's in the early 90's - a best of comp, the s/t, and Ian McCullough's "Candleland" (i think) - but they didn't quite resonate with me like some other bands you mentioned. (Joy Division, The Cure).
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Lucas Mr. Noise ElitePosts: 13427 |
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Joy Division is a brilliant band, cannot believe I still don't own their albums. The only experience I've had with The Cure was their concert a couple of months ago, and that was great as well.
About the Comsat Angels, I do remember we discussed them and I have heard their Sleep No More album. It didn't quite hook me back then, though. But since bleakness is my middle name, I'll give them and Echo & The Bunnymen a shot again.
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Written by Lucas on 09.08.2008 at 13:03
Joy Division is a brilliant band, cannot believe I still don't own their albums.
Sure, Joy Division is the phenom.. Ian Curtis was so smart. I have their "Unknown Pleasures" and thats amazing. When you get it you'll enjoy it
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jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life StaffPosts: 6659 |
Joy Division is really overrated... Not a bad band, mind you, but seriously overhyped, mainly due to the suicide of Ian Curtis. Adrian Borland from The Sound also commited suicide but nobody seems to give a shit about him.
Strange.
Anyway, if you guys think Joy Division is the shit, I highly recommend listening to those 5 albums I mentioned in the blog. You might find that they do the job better than JD ever could.
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BitterCOld The Ancient One AdminPosts: 15287 |
regarding Joy Division, overrated, underrated, unrated, rated NC-17... makes no difference to me, really. I really don't care how other people value them, i just found i connected better with them on earlier listens than i did Echo and the Bunnymen or a lot of other bands of similar ilk that my friends were listening to a the time.
of course, for what it's worth, i'm more drawn towards their faster paced songs - "Ice Age", "Something Must Break" - because of the urgency in Ian's voice coupled with the driving bass lines and Sumner's guitar lines - really caught my ear.
the fact Ian killed himself doesn't really resonate with me - it happened long before i had heard of them, and he's not the only musician to off himself (as you pointed out).
i'll re-visit Echo and the Bunnymen and see if i can find a used copy of "Songs to Learn and Sing" or "Heaven Up Here."
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Deadsoulman ElitePosts: 8004 |
I don't think I had ever heard of the "depressive post-punk" (or even just the "post-punk") name for a genre before
The only band you mentioned in this depressive thing that I know is Joy Division, and I've always "enjoyed" the bleak hopelessness in their music. That means I'm going to try those other bands you mentioned asap, if you say they're even better.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Strange... I must be food for a psychiatrist. But I find nothing depressive at all about the music of any of the bands mentioned in the blog. Btw, Joy Division I also totally don't find depressive at all. All that music just sounds happy go lucky to my ears.
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jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life StaffPosts: 6659 |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.08.2008 at 11:28
Strange... I must be food for a psychiatrist. But I find nothing depressive at all about the music of any of the bands mentioned in the blog. Btw, Joy Division I also totally don't find depressive at all. All that music just sounds happy go lucky to my ears.
There is a difference, I think, beteeen how a band makes us feel and the way that we can generally describe their sound. Clearly, since this happens to be one of my favorite styles of music, it would be wrong for me to claim that it is depressive for me; however, the mood in the music still is clearly of resignment, failure etc. My own character is such that music of this nature makes me feel good about myself, which is what might be happening to you as well...
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by jupitreas on 21.08.2008 at 16:43
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.08.2008 at 11:28
Strange... I must be food for a psychiatrist. But I find nothing depressive at all about the music of any of the bands mentioned in the blog. Btw, Joy Division I also totally don't find depressive at all. All that music just sounds happy go lucky to my ears.
There is a difference, I think, beteeen how a band makes us feel and the way that we can generally describe their sound. Clearly, since this happens to be one of my favorite styles of music, it would be wrong for me to claim that it is depressive for me; however, the mood in the music still is clearly of resignment, failure etc. My own character is such that music of this nature makes me feel good about myself, which is what might be happening to you as well...
I wasn't talking about how it made me feel but just about how the music comes across to me. And I generally perceive the mood that comes across as uplifting and quite vibrant as well. The music these sorts of bands play leaves me totally neutral cause I can't stand such music at all.
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Stuart MiseryKing
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I think the goth bands which were spawned from punk will always be the most enjoyable to my ears. The sisters of mercy, the Mission etc... I really love those bands, in fact I'd say Sisters was one of my top 10 bands. Whilst I get the whole idea of the bands you are referring to and some of lyrics are pretty good, for some reason they just don't do anything for me whatsoever, I think maybe if I'd grown up in some bleak Northern English city maybe it would appeal more... the music can sound quite uplifting, although it can also sound pretty sombre, its neither here nor there, in every possible sense, a bit bland really.
BTW you can't really put Duran Duran and Depeche Mode in the same sentence, its such a disservice to DM!
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jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life StaffPosts: 6659 |
Written by Stuart on 25.08.2008 at 19:15
BTW you can't really put Duran Duran and Depeche Mode in the same sentence, its such a disservice to DM!
Or to DM, depending on your point of view
As for some post-punk being uplifting - yes, obviously a lot of it is... Its a fairly broad genre after all. This is why I mention specific bands that to my ears compose 'depressive' post-punk and specialize in bleakness and the kind of mood one gets from failing or resigning.
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Stuart MiseryKing
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Written by jupitreas on 25.08.2008 at 19:22
Written by Stuart on 25.08.2008 at 19:15
BTW you can't really put Duran Duran and Depeche Mode in the same sentence, its such a disservice to DM!
Or to DM, depending on your point of view
As for some post-punk being uplifting - yes, obviously a lot of it is... Its a fairly broad genre after all. This is why I mention specific bands that to my ears compose 'depressive' post-punk and specialize in bleakness and the kind of mood one gets from failing or resigning.
There is absolutely no doubt about it.... Duran Duran are horrendous crap (Yes I am being prejudice here, I just really, really hate it).... and Depeche Mode have made some pretty decent music.
I know what your saying and you're correct to a certain degree, but their music is not all depressing some songs are a little uplifting, basically I wouldn't say their music was ever intended to sound bleak, some of it just came out that way and some of it didn't, i don't think you could call it specializing in that bleakness at all, they just wrote about their lives and some of it was good and some of it was bad. Although I wouldn't go as far as Marcel to say that Joy Division is a generally uplifting and vibrant band...
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jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life StaffPosts: 6659 |
Written by Stuart on 25.08.2008 at 20:47
I know what your saying and you're correct to a certain degree, but their music is not all depressing some songs are a little uplifting, basically I wouldn't say their music was ever intended to sound bleak, some of it just came out that way and some of it didn't, i don't think you could call it specializing in that bleakness at all, they just wrote about their lives and some of it was good and some of it was bad. Although I wouldn't go as far as Marcel to say that Joy Division is a generally uplifting and vibrant band...
Good point. Although regardless of how you see it, the results are what counts.
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Hey, the fist paragraph insults me!
Interesting article... it made me feel interested by a style I had never known anything about... I was a fan of Joy Division earlier but somehown they grew old in me just like most punk-related bands I had listened to. But I had never heard any of the bands recommened in the article so I will check them soon... but not now... I'm in the mood for some Morbid Angel or shit like that.
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Heh this kind of music is very much my girlfriend's taste, Echo and the Bunnymen in particular whom I also quite enjoy. Going back to Joy Division, though I don't particularly enjoy them I do agree that some of their stuff is incredibly bleak. I think a lot of people might have been saturated by the metal concept of downbeat depressing music but Joy Division are very much a different kind in my eyes.
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Fat & Sassy! ElitePosts: 3857 |
I am a HUGE fan of Joy Division. I've never heard of a couple of these bands. I will definitely check them out. For people who are interested in the history of this kind of music, I HIGHLY recommend the movie 24 Hour Party People.
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John Barleycorn Minimalist
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Hell, Comsat Angels is fantastic. I'm speaking mostly about the album "Sleep No More" (looking at my last.fm stats, the number of plays during last 6 months should be a record), but the first one is cool also. The sound is quite unique, at least for my ears. Thanks, I doubt I would have found them without this thread.
I also tried out The Sound and The Chameleons. I didn't really get excited about the latter, although they are definitely a high-qualiy band. The Sound, on the other hand, left much greater impression, especially few of their live videos I found from youtube
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Crème fraiche
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For a while Joy Division and The Cure were two of my favorite bands. I never got too into post-punk, but all this gloomy Western Pennsylvanian weather is making me crave some Bauhaus and Echo
This blog has been very helpful to me! I have been interested in other bands like Joy Division, but couldn't find anything similar.
Thanks jupitreas
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Uirapuru Liver Failure
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Does Dexys Midnight Runners include in this description? I found them amazing
Great article as usual, I still have to check out on The Comsat Angels.
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jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life StaffPosts: 6659 |
Written by Uirapuru on 03.10.2010 at 21:13
Does Dexys Midnight Runners include in this description? I found them amazing
I don't really find them to be depressive.
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Uirapuru Liver Failure
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Written by jupitreas on 04.10.2010 at 00:01
Written by Uirapuru on 03.10.2010 at 21:13
Does Dexys Midnight Runners include in this description? I found them amazing
I don't really find them to be depressive.
Yeah, mostly not. But Searching For The Young Soul Rebels always gave me that impression, has good amount of depressive tracks.
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RobertNowhere
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Rip It Up And Start Again by Simon Reynolds is a fantastic book on the topic of post-punk in general, if anybody's interest was piqued by this article...
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xVovax
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Listen to Metro Luminal - Coca Cola album,its also a depressive post punk
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RaduP CertifiedHipster StaffPosts: 9030 |
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What do you mean there's more to post-punk than Joy Division and The Cure??
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