Kinetic
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19.12.2008 - 15:04Rating: 7
You like some details of albums you rated 6 but failed for some reason. That's understandable.
All she did was to attribute a lower score than 6 btw and say is in the same line of Memorial which is an album she loves. I could even understand if she pinpointed repetitive structure, lame lyrics or anything at all beside she not liking most of the songs. After reading you get no sense what are the flaws of the album except the subjectiveness of the reviewer.
I couldn't care less if she doesn't like a Moonspell album (i don't like 2 of them btw) but she can't possible ignore basis of comparison in a review when she was the first one including it. It's inconclusive reasoning and that's what i'm trying to make her clarify.
However, the childish attacks only makes me believe she lacks coherence and eloquence which are basic rules for any writer. As a consequence, poor judgement.
Edit: The rating system is not even an issue in her case considering she rates albums she loves from 9 to 10. Just wanted you to understand why I pressed on that button so many times.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Btw Arutha is a HE not a she...
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VPeter
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Written by Kinetic on 19.12.2008 at 15:04
You like some details of albums you rated 6 but failed for some reason. That's understandable.
All she did was to attribute a lower score than 6 btw and say is in the same line of Memorial which is an album she loves. I could even understand if she pinpointed repetitive structure, lame lyrics or anything at all beside she not liking most of the songs. After reading you get no sense what are the flaws of the album except the subjectiveness of the reviewer.
I couldn't care less if she doesn't like a Moonspell album (i don't like 2 of them btw) but she can't possible ignore basis of comparison in a review when she was the first one including it. It's inconclusive reasoning and that's what i'm trying to make her clarify.
However, the childish attacks only makes me believe she lacks coherence and eloquence which are basic rules for any writer. As a consequence, poor judgement.
Edit: The rating system is not even an issue in her case considering she rates albums she loves from 9 to 10. Just wanted you to understand why I pressed on that button so many times.
Nice that you say I am a female even though I'm male, that means you haven't seen my clear male symbol in my profile. Did I say love? Memorial was a fine album and was a staging line, however Night Eternal is a clear decline for me. I stated clearly what the down points where(cliché, crappy production, repetive grunts) Reviews are always the opinion of the reviewer, so it's always subjective. but of course you can't read and don't want to. I respond childish because I know what you are: a self-proclaimed justknight who tries to sound mature and objective despite being a very biased fanboy.
that's what you are, rambling the most stupid things out of your ass just to try and sound objective. I am trough with you and now take your so called objectivity and get lost.
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Kinetic
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19.12.2008 - 18:27Rating: 7
"Cliche" and "corny" are not valid interpretations of any music because is just too subjective (the first word probably not unless specified regarding what).
Repetitive grunts? First time I ever heard that considering that grunts don't really have much variation in a singer. You probably mean the lyrical structure of the whole album brings a repetition of all levels, the same formula. See the difference? A bit vague but still better than the senseless void you wrote.
Learn and be less over sensitive. Accusing everyone of being a "fanboy" is a kiddo attempt at hiding your weak points.
And btw, Heavenwood's latest album is alot better than Moonspell atm. A suggestion from the "fanboy".
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VPeter
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Written by Kinetic on 19.12.2008 at 18:27
"Cliche" and "corny" are not valid interpretations of any music because is just too subjective (the first word probably not unless specified regarding what).
Repetitive grunts? First time I ever heard that considering that grunts don't really have much variation in a singer. You probably mean the lyrical structure of the whole album brings a repetition of all levels, the same formula. See the difference? A bit vague but still better than the senseless void you wrote.
Learn and be less over sensitive. Accusing everyone of being a "fanboy" is a kiddo attempt at hiding your weak points.
And btw, Heavenwood's latest album is alot better than Moonspell atm. A suggestion from the "fanboy".
Since when are you the judge of things valid in a review? repetitive as I wrote in the review, Lot's of songs fall in the same grunt pattern "mmmmmmmoooooonnnnn iiiiinnnnn mmmmeeerrcccuuuuurrrrrryyyy" for example. Hiding your weak points just like you do with your childish antics? Now I know you can't read but what of "Get lost" don't you understand?
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BloodTears ANA-thema ElitePosts: 11835 |
21.12.2008 - 14:57Rating: 9
Why do people insist on trying to change other people's opinions? He has his opinion, and he justified it quite clearly, what's the problem?
All these conflicts are unnecessary really. I actually liked the album and it doesn't bother me that he didn't like it.
It's as simple as aknowledging other people's opinions.
This isn't about me but I just wanted to say that.
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VPeter
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Written by BloodTears on 21.12.2008 at 14:57
Why do people insist on trying to change other people's opinions? He has his opinion, and he justified it quite clearly, what's the problem?
All these conflicts are unnecessary really. I actually liked the album and it doesn't bother me that he didn't like it.
It's as simple as aknowledging other people's opinions.
This isn't about me but I just wanted to say that.
thanks for your understanding
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BloodTears ANA-thema ElitePosts: 11835 |
21.12.2008 - 20:03Rating: 9
You're welcome.
Some people here think your the devil but i'm not one of them.
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Shadowcross The Summoner
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I don't think this album is all that great, its okay but not on the calibre of their earlier work.
And i disagree with the reviewer, Scorpion Flower is my favourite track on the release.
I didn't actually realise it was Anneke until i read this review. Funnily enough The Gathering is one of my favourite bands.
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Alive.Corpse
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27.04.2009 - 21:48Rating: 9
Moonspell is a great band and this album is very nice too.
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5.8 is being gentle...
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Slayer666
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11.05.2009 - 13:35Rating: 8
Written by VPeter on 24.09.2008 at 19:29
For the 835235252 time learn to read! I don't bash it for the sake of it being popular, I listen to The Gorillaz and Micheal Jackson for christ sake.
Dude, you are, like, so tottaly un-kvlt..... Shame on you, un-tr00 one!
OK, jokes aside. 5.8 is darn unfiar, no matter what you say and how well you explain your point. OK, it sure as hell isn't the most original release ever, it does fall under a certian cliche, but a grade 5.8 is for albums that are, not only unoriginal but are also a little below average in the genre they operate in. Even if you think "Night Eternal" is about as unique in sound as a.... Michael Jackson CD, it's still one pretty good violent Gothic piece of music, and shoud not be slandered with a 5.8. May be cliche, but not bad. As such, the MINIMAL grade is 7.0.
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VPeter
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Written by Slayer666 on 11.05.2009 at 13:35
Written by VPeter on 24.09.2008 at 19:29
For the 835235252 time learn to read! I don't bash it for the sake of it being popular, I listen to The Gorillaz and Micheal Jackson for christ sake.
Dude, you are, like, so tottaly un-kvlt..... Shame on you, un-tr00 one!
OK, jokes aside. 5.8 is darn unfiar, no matter what you say and how well you explain your point. OK, it sure as hell isn't the most original release ever, it does fall under a certian cliche, but a grade 5.8 is for albums that are, not only unoriginal but are also a little below average in the genre they operate in. Even if you think "Night Eternal" is about as unique in sound as a.... Michael Jackson CD, it's still one pretty good violent Gothic piece of music, and shoud not be slandered with a 5.8. May be cliche, but not bad. As such, the MINIMAL grade is 7.0.
Like I said it's not just a cliche, it's poorly preformed and with unbalanced production.
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Slayer666
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12.05.2009 - 11:14Rating: 8
Written by VPeter on 11.05.2009 at 17:36
Written by Slayer666 on 11.05.2009 at 13:35
Written by VPeter on 24.09.2008 at 19:29
For the 835235252 time learn to read! I don't bash it for the sake of it being popular, I listen to The Gorillaz and Micheal Jackson for christ sake.
Dude, you are, like, so tottaly un-kvlt..... Shame on you, un-tr00 one!
OK, jokes aside. 5.8 is darn unfiar, no matter what you say and how well you explain your point. OK, it sure as hell isn't the most original release ever, it does fall under a certian cliche, but a grade 5.8 is for albums that are, not only unoriginal but are also a little below average in the genre they operate in. Even if you think "Night Eternal" is about as unique in sound as a.... Michael Jackson CD, it's still one pretty good violent Gothic piece of music, and shoud not be slandered with a 5.8. May be cliche, but not bad. As such, the MINIMAL grade is 7.0.
Like I said it's not just a cliche, it's poorly preformed and with unbalanced production.
Yes, I know you said that, but what I don't know is, just where do you get that? Everything seems pretty top-notch and profesional to me. You say that Fernando repeats himself. like "NNIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHHTTTTTT EEEEETTTTTTEEEEEERRRRRRRNNNNNNNAAAAAAALLLLLLLLL" and that kind of stuff, but with that kind of vocal style, there is just no room for much diversion. He also sings damn good, which he proved with "SSSCCCORRRPPPPIIIIOONN FFLLLOOOWEEERRRR!". Those guitars you complain about, yeah, not as good as Memorial and Wolfheart, but are certanly worth more than 5.8. And, I don't understand what do you mean by "unbalanced production".
Besides, I've done more reviews than you, so I know better!!!!
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VPeter
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Written by Slayer666 on 12.05.2009 at 11:14
Written by VPeter on 11.05.2009 at 17:36
Written by Slayer666 on 11.05.2009 at 13:35
Written by VPeter on 24.09.2008 at 19:29
For the 835235252 time learn to read! I don't bash it for the sake of it being popular, I listen to The Gorillaz and Micheal Jackson for christ sake.
Dude, you are, like, so tottaly un-kvlt..... Shame on you, un-tr00 one!
OK, jokes aside. 5.8 is darn unfiar, no matter what you say and how well you explain your point. OK, it sure as hell isn't the most original release ever, it does fall under a certian cliche, but a grade 5.8 is for albums that are, not only unoriginal but are also a little below average in the genre they operate in. Even if you think "Night Eternal" is about as unique in sound as a.... Michael Jackson CD, it's still one pretty good violent Gothic piece of music, and shoud not be slandered with a 5.8. May be cliche, but not bad. As such, the MINIMAL grade is 7.0.
Like I said it's not just a cliche, it's poorly preformed and with unbalanced production.
Yes, I know you said that, but what I don't know is, just where do you get that? Everything seems pretty top-notch and profesional to me. You say that Fernando repeats himself. like "NNIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHHTTTTTT EEEEETTTTTTEEEEEERRRRRRRNNNNNNNAAAAAAALLLLLLLLL" and that kind of stuff, but with that kind of vocal style, there is just no room for much diversion. He also sings damn good, which he proved with "SSSCCCORRRPPPPIIIIOONN FFLLLOOOWEEERRRR!". Those guitars you complain about, yeah, not as good as Memorial and Wolfheart, but are certanly worth more than 5.8. And, I don't understand what do you mean by "unbalanced production".
Besides, I've done more reviews than you, so I know better!!!!
What ever man, I don't feel like going on a rage again.
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Morphis
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15.05.2009 - 06:49Rating: 8
This discussion seems to last forever lol.
Its funny cause, i recently assisted a similar discussion about this album, one friend saying that is something great that have really touched him and other saying is nothing special to brag about.
My conclusion is that this album is a love or hate it.
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Ellrohir Heaven Knight
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As i listened to it, i found it highly overrated, so i would agree with this review
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Vonpire
Posts: 471 |
21.02.2010 - 07:04Rating: 10
Ridiculous the rating...
" The best Gothic Metal album of 2008 " Says it all.
Long Live to my friends Moonspell
Fernando, és o orgulho de Portugal!
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VPeter
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Written by Vonpire on 21.02.2010 at 07:04
Ridiculous the rating...
" The best Gothic Metal album of 2008 " Says it all.
Long Live to my friends Moonspell
Fernando, és o orgulho de Portugal!
It says nothing, all it says is that the awards are dominated by fanboys such as yourself.
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Vonpire
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21.02.2010 - 22:03Rating: 10
Written by VPeter on 21.02.2010 at 17:36
Written by Vonpire on 21.02.2010 at 07:04
Ridiculous the rating...
" The best Gothic Metal album of 2008 " Says it all.
Long Live to my friends Moonspell
Fernando, és o orgulho de Portugal!
It says nothing, all it says is that the awards are dominated by fanboys such as yourself.
You even know me to say whatever i am??
Yup, you are the man, whatever get's out of your "brain" it's the absolute true...
As i said before , ridiculous rating for an amazing album.
Enough, said. Not going to feed stupid discussions about someone who clearly doesn't respect people opinions.
It appears that the fanboy here isn't me...
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VPeter
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Written by Vonpire on 21.02.2010 at 22:03
Written by VPeter on 21.02.2010 at 17:36
Written by Vonpire on 21.02.2010 at 07:04
Ridiculous the rating...
" The best Gothic Metal album of 2008 " Says it all.
Long Live to my friends Moonspell
Fernando, és o orgulho de Portugal!
It says nothing, all it says is that the awards are dominated by fanboys such as yourself.
You even know me to say whatever i am??
Yup, you are the man, whatever get's out of your "brain" it's the absolute true...
As i said before , ridiculous rating for an amazing album.
Enough, said. Not going to feed stupid discussions about someone who clearly doesn't respect people opinions.
It appears that the fanboy here isn't me...
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Vonpire
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09.03.2010 - 16:31Rating: 10
Damn, that's ridiculous...
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VaronoZz Vampbaron
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20.01.2011 - 16:29Rating: 8
All this years and albums, moonspell never went so much out of the limits and i think i like it. The fans are the same since the beginning and they like moonspell from the first allbum till the last. Its not a masterpiece mostly coz its not something new but for sure this album has more positives
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AngelofDeth Cyborg Raptor
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09.04.2012 - 06:40Rating: 7
I also thought it was a bit sloppy but i definitely still enjoy this album. not great but still good.
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Surion
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For me this album is a grower, at first I didn't like it too much...but then I listened to it a few more times and now I love it. Not as great as Wolfheart, however deserves at least an 8.5 IMO
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The Melting Snow
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28.04.2020 - 21:08Rating: 9
I have some great memories with the album. was almost 18 when I listened to it first. made be a bigger fan of Gothic Metal. First Light is still one of my favorite songs.
Loved the lyrics, guitars and vocals throughout. This review really seems a joke
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