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04.04.2013 - 21:36Rating: 6
See, I'm a huge fan of metalcore, but I really didn't like this.
Boring riffs, repetitive nature, overproduced, and I'll even say I didn't like the vocals (at all)
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I love Alive... but I wasn't enthralled by this =P
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Don't listen to these losers ( ) Dane, couldn't agree with your review more. Love the return of Jesse Leach and better songwriting!
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There are actually a number of Soilwork/KsE connections:
-When Jessie left KsE back in 2002, KsE asked Soilwork's Bjorn Strid (who on tour with KsE) to fill in. He declined.
-When Adam D had back surgury in 2007, Peter Witchers (ex-Soilwork) filled in for their European Tour.
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05.04.2013 - 02:59Rating: 9
I love this album, i completly agree with you on this review. My only request is that they compose a song that is like 7 minutes, wouldn't hurt to at least try. I got to say my favorite songs are "The Call", "All That We Have", and "In Due Time"; very well composed songs!!!:thumbup:
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Wes
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05.04.2013 - 03:07Rating: 9
The vocals drag the album down quite a few ratings for me. A lot of "yelling", rather than "death vocals". His death vocals are pretty good, but he seems to give up at a certain point and start yelling which simply makes him sound like he's imitating an angry person. I like the album, but probably no more than a 7 for me personally. I know a lot of people like Jesse's vocals, so not trying to say it's bad, just not for me. I do however really like a lot of the riffs, and vocal melodies on the choruses.
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Written by Wes on 05.04.2013 at 03:07
The vocals drag the album down quite a few ratings for me. A lot of "yelling", rather than "death vocals". His death vocals are pretty good, but he seems to give up at a certain point and start yelling which simply makes him sound like he's imitating an angry person. I like the album, but probably no more than a 7 for me personally. I know a lot of people like Jesse's vocals, so not trying to say it's bad, just not for me. I do however really like a lot of the riffs, and vocal melodies on the choruses.
I never noticed what you're talking about him "giving up" but it is possible he may have intentionally given himself "breaks" and doing that may be explained by the reason he left the band the first time. He left originally because he never learned how to properly scream/growl so he was practically shredding his vocal chords every night on tours and when he finally went to a doctor they told him what was happening and if he didn't stop screaming/growling then he would eventually lose the ability to speak. That is why he dropped out of the band suddenly right before the start of a nationwide tour with Otep in 2002, and why the band he started some years later (Seemless) was a stoner metal band with no screaming/growling.
I assume he must've finally taken vocal lessons to learn how to scream/growl properly but he may still be worried about damaging his vocal chords, so he may have intentionally written less drastic scream/growl sections to give himself "breaks". I wouldn't be surprised if that's also why they added the "evil effects" (Idk what else to call them) to several of his growls in the studio to give extra impact without him having to push his vocal chords too much in the studio.
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Ace Frawley The Spaceman
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05.04.2013 - 08:31Rating: 8
What's the album cover given with this review - is it an alternative one? Also, there seems to be a lot of clean and harsh vocals over the top of each other on this album - is that multi-tracking of Jesse Leach or backup vocals from the other band members?
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Wes
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05.04.2013 - 09:16Rating: 9
Written by psykometal on 05.04.2013 at 05:52
Written by Wes on 05.04.2013 at 03:07
The vocals drag the album down quite a few ratings for me. A lot of "yelling", rather than "death vocals". His death vocals are pretty good, but he seems to give up at a certain point and start yelling which simply makes him sound like he's imitating an angry person. I like the album, but probably no more than a 7 for me personally. I know a lot of people like Jesse's vocals, so not trying to say it's bad, just not for me. I do however really like a lot of the riffs, and vocal melodies on the choruses.
I never noticed what you're talking about him "giving up" but it is possible he may have intentionally given himself "breaks" and doing that may be explained by the reason he left the band the first time. He left originally because he never learned how to properly scream/growl so he was practically shredding his vocal chords every night on tours and when he finally went to a doctor they told him what was happening and if he didn't stop screaming/growling then he would eventually lose the ability to speak. That is why he dropped out of the band suddenly right before the start of a nationwide tour with Otep in 2002, and why the band he started some years later (Seemless) was a stoner metal band with no screaming/growling.
I assume he must've finally taken vocal lessons to learn how to scream/growl properly but he may still be worried about damaging his vocal chords, so he may have intentionally written less drastic scream/growl sections to give himself "breaks". I wouldn't be surprised if that's also why they added the "evil effects" (Idk what else to call them) to several of his growls in the studio to give extra impact without him having to push his vocal chords too much in the studio.
That's interesting, I honestly have a very hard time deciding how I feel about his vocals, since there are little snippets here and there where he made stylistic choices to scream in certain ways that I'm not a fan of, but also some parts are just fine and pretty wicked. Here is when I must remind myself that I'm not originally a fan of this genre, so it's not fair for me to complain or rate it low based on stylistic choices. One thing I cannot stand is when people criticize a band for not being what they never were to begin with. I felt a lot of this when Wintersun's Time finally came out. All these people ripping on it who never even liked what Jari was trying to make. It seems like Jesse has a pretty big fan base, so I'll respect that and keep listening. You can probably tell I've been flip flopping a lot on my opinion on this album, from 9 to recently a 7 heh. I think 8 is definitely deserving as this review points out quite well. I'm really liking the song writing as well.
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Written by Wes on 05.04.2013 at 09:16
That's interesting, I honestly have a very hard time deciding how I feel about his vocals, since there are little snippets here and there where he made stylistic choices to scream in certain ways that I'm not a fan of, but also some parts are just fine and pretty wicked. Here is when I must remind myself that I'm not originally a fan of this genre, so it's not fair for me to complain or rate it low based on stylistic choices. One thing I cannot stand is when people criticize a band for not being what they never were to begin with. I felt a lot of this when Wintersun's Time finally came out. All these people ripping on it who never even liked what Jari was trying to make. It seems like Jesse has a pretty big fan base, so I'll respect that and keep listening. You can probably tell I've been flip flopping a lot on my opinion on this album, from 9 to recently a 7 heh. I think 8 is definitely deserving as this review points out quite well. I just love some of the riffs and clean choruses, so if I was a fan of Jesse, I can see myself rating this higher which I might end up doing : ) I'll be listening.
Well so far you haven't really "ripped" on Jesse at all that I would call it. I just see a guy unfamiliar with the band or the genre for the most part calling out what he does and doesn't like based on personal tastes and observations. And I don't have an issue with that at all because you aren't biased in the matter and you're not name calling or being an ass about any of your posts.
Me on the other hand, I'm a huge Jesse fan and have been since 2002, and not just of his Killswitch stuff but also his other bands. So I am a bit biased (as Joe called me out on in the other thread that I admitted too) and therefore my opinion of the album is probably a little jaded by fanboy-ism so I apologize if I came off as an ass in my initial conversations with you in the other thread.
The only song I ever liked with Howard was "When Darkness Falls" because it was the first song recorded with Howard and the only song recorded with Howard that still had remnants of their Jesse-era music style (and Howard still used his BHBS-style screams), other than that I never cared for Howard in KsE. Which is ironic cuz I was rather excited initially about Howard because I thought he was great in his original band Blood Has Been Shed (and because "WDF" still featured his BHBS-style) where he was quite a bit more "brutal" in his vocal approach but with KsE he always sounded weak and whiny to me whereas Jesse had tons of raw power and angst in his voice.
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Uldreth
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Only gave glancing listens yet but sounds very good so far.
Nice work, Killswitch. Also love the vocals though haven't heard anything as powerful vocally here yet as Numbered Days or Self Revolution.
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Written by Uldreth on 05.04.2013 at 11:46
Only gave glancing listens yet but sounds very good so far.
Nice work, Killswitch. Also love the vocals though haven't heard anything as powerful vocally here yet as Numbered Days or Self Revolution.
Those were some mighty powerful tracks, 2 of my faves from Alive.
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Cynic Metalhead Ambrish Saxena
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06.04.2013 - 10:41Rating: 8
BoxWhore Lilly is stupid. He must be listening this album with "cotton-buds" fucking his ears-in.
this album ain't that bad as it looks. It is definitely a powerful come back record for Killswitch.
I don't know what type of "metalcore" lilly listens.
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Written by Cynic Metalhead on 06.04.2013 at 10:41
BoxWhore Lilly is stupid. He must be listening this album with "cotton-buds" fucking his ears-in.
this album ain't that bad as it looks. It is definitely a powerful come back record for Killswitch.
I don't know what type of "metalcore" lilly listens.
Well given that his tastes are typically lo-fi black, gaze and doom bands, I wouldn't base any decision to listen to something like this on what Tanner says about it.
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Written by Cynic Metalhead on 06.04.2013 at 10:41
BoxWhore Lilly is stupid. He must be listening this album with "cotton-buds" fucking his ears-in.
this album ain't that bad as it looks. It is definitely a powerful come back record for Killswitch.
I don't know what type of "metalcore" lilly listens.
I must be stupid as well then because I have exactly the same opinion. This album isn't bad by any means but it's a pretty tired rehash of the melodic metalcore sound with a novelty original vocalist giving an underwhelming performance.
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Written by psykometal on 06.04.2013 at 17:21
Well given that his tastes are typically lo-fi black, gaze and doom bands, I wouldn't base any decision to listen to something like this on what Tanner says about it.
Actually Tanner listens to quite a lot of -core, and in fact from my understanding he prefers sludge and stoner to doom and his taste in black metal is certainly not geared toward "lo-fi" stuff, so his opinion on this certainly shouldn't be disregarded because of his tastes.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 06.04.2013 at 17:31
his taste in black metal is certainly not geared toward "lo-fi" stuff
Then why does he periodically complain in the SB about not being able to find enough good lo-fi black metal?
And I must've missed his gear shift from doom to stoner/sludge...
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Written by psykometal on 06.04.2013 at 19:07
Then why does he periodically complain in the SB about not being able to find enough good lo-fi black metal?
And I must've missed his gear shift from doom to stoner/sludge...
Probably because he doesn't like lo-fi black metal
I don't really ever recall him being big on proper doom tbh.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 06.04.2013 at 20:02
Probably because he doesn't like lo-fi black metal
I don't really ever recall him being big on proper doom tbh.
Then why are his own projects lo-fi...?
I think he's more into the "extreme" dooms.
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Written by psykometal on 06.04.2013 at 21:57
Then why are his own projects lo-fi...?
I think he's more into the "extreme" dooms.
Because he has no ability to make anything well produced and has no choice
Dunno, maybe he likes the odd thing me and Rod like, but I don't think he actively seeks out extreme stuff.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 07.04.2013 at 04:43
Because he has no ability to make anything well produced and has no choice
Dunno, maybe he likes the odd thing me and Rod like, but I don't think he actively seeks out extreme stuff.
Well, even people that are interested in creating higher quality muusic try as best they can to create higher quality music despite not having the funding to produce it. But Tanner intentionally creates lo-fi post/black/what-sounds-to-me-like-doomy stuff so my assumption there was not just a lack of funding/equipment but a general desire to create that style of music...
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Cynic Metalhead Ambrish Saxena
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07.04.2013 - 09:49Rating: 8
Written by [user id=4365] on 06.04.2013 at 17:29
Written by Cynic Metalhead on 06.04.2013 at 10:41
BoxWhore Lilly is stupid. He must be listening this album with "cotton-buds" fucking his ears-in.
this album ain't that bad as it looks. It is definitely a powerful come back record for Killswitch.
I don't know what type of "metalcore" lilly listens.
This album isn't bad by any means but it's a pretty tired rehash of the melodic metalcore sound with a novelty original vocalist giving an underwhelming performance.
Well, tired rehashing has always been a banal force of metalcore scene. Who doesn't know that?!
Yes, that's true that the record has some weak patches where they just went quite superficially with their procession. But, if you look at the album overall, i think it sounded pretty good enough. We can't say that it came out a complete mediocre blown-out record but it had some awesome moments where i thought "this could be the pinnacle moments of this album".
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RicardoRoque
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Great review! And i can't stop listening to this album.. there are GREAT songs like All in due time, new awakening, a tibute to the fallen and You don't bleed for me but the whole album is very good! A must have for fans like me and a good try for those who don't know the band! but if you don't like this kind of metal that alternates between clean melodic and dirt screaming vocal.. stay away from this album anda stay away from this band! It's not for you!
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