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Gothic metal has become quite cliche and generic, thus making the scene saturated. But then again I could say the same about stoner metal and old school death metal, and even last decade's dissonant black metal is starting to show signs. It seems that some genres like gothic and thrash metal were more unfairly treated for their lack of innovation, and even the innovation that gothic metal had stemmed more into going into some electronic territories that were no-go-zones for a lot of metalheads. I'm glad that we have some bands recently that have managed to make gothic metal exciting again, and you managed to name a few, but I hope we don't get just more Draconian clones. I am hoping for some more blends with the original 80s goth rock sound, and this year has had some prominent bands covering songs from that scene some more succesfully than others.
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Will read soon, but many cases all female fronted bands well now its genre. They add to that genre, many symphonic, power metal bands whit female singer has been labeled as that genre, well flowing tears n withered flower , Luminaria are only few female goths  old Athargatis . gothic doom, and so on, well need read this, its interesting
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Written by RaduP on 05.07.2020 at 14:20
Gothic metal has become quite cliche and generic, thus making the scene saturated. But then again I could say the same about stoner metal and old school death metal, and even last decade's dissonant black metal is starting to show signs. It seems that some genres like gothic and thrash metal were more unfairly treated for their lack of innovation, and even the innovation that gothic metal had stemmed more into going into some electronic territories that were no-go-zones for a lot of metalheads. I'm glad that we have some bands recently that have managed to make gothic metal exciting again, and you managed to name a few, but I hope we don't get just more Draconian clones. I am hoping for some more blends with the original 80s goth rock sound, and this year has had some prominent bands covering songs from that scene some more succesfully than others.
I guess that was a reason why it was hard to find another gothic metal band that really blew me away because of said cliches. With every genre of metal there is always cliches that are reliant unless we're talking about doom metal, death metal or black metal which can melt into so many fusions. For example, a lot of Italian gothic metal bands seem to rely on this vampiric/gothic horror sound where it's reliance lay on overused keyboards, the use of female singers, and overly dramatic tone (too many Theatres Des Vampires clones). The reason why The Foreshadowing is so amazing is that they managed to be different from their Italian contemporaries following the MDB/Katatonia route, but talking about dystopian and post-apocalyptic themes. In the case of gothic metal I guess those cliches caught up with them the last ten years which explains the lack of innovative bands popping up and the amount of bands breaking up.
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I dug genre thanks to gothmetal.net site is Dead now, i like This article, now you can write getting into. Btw if you like ToN, I got some album, ToN tribute album, so there was many good bands.
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Written by Bad English on 06.07.2020 at 10:34
I dug genre thanks to gothmetal.net site is Dead now, i like This article, now you can write getting into. Btw if you like ToN, I got some album, ToN tribute album, so there was many good bands.
Wow I didn't know there was a Gothic metal site in the past. And I'm always looking for new music so you can send me what you have.
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Written by Gothic Metalhead on 06.07.2020 at 12:00
Written by Bad English on 06.07.2020 at 10:34
I dug genre thanks to gothmetal.net site is Dead now, i like This article, now you can write getting into. Btw if you like ToN, I got some album, ToN tribute album, so there was many good bands.
Wow I didn't know there was a Gothic metal site in the past. And I'm always looking for new music so you can send me what you have.
IMO this one, need see, atm its in parents place
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Blood-Sweat-And-Tears-A-Tribute-To-Type-O-Negative/release/1656629
Site was huge good gothic bands few unknown
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Gothic Metal is quite the forerunner in metal genres currently. Just check out MS ratings for top 20 albums, most of the albums that you stated in the latter part of your article feature in prominent positions in MS album ratings. The bittersweet melody of Gothic metal is much more easier to accept than the aggression of other heavier genres, I think. That is why in my opinion there is a larger acceptance and love for this genre of music.
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Written by tintinb on 07.07.2020 at 05:31
Gothic Metal is quite the forerunner in metal genres currently. Just check out MS ratings for top 20 albums, most of the albums that you stated in the latter part of your article feature in prominent positions in MS album ratings. The bittersweet melody of Gothic metal is much more easier to accept than the aggression of other heavier genres, I think. That is why in my opinion there is a larger acceptance and love for this genre of music.
I did notice a lot of music coming out in the past year or so and when I see bands still making this music, and it's a good feeling to hear new music. I'm glad to hear the acceptance of the music lately its something that makes me happy.
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Great article. It seems I know the genre better than I thought I did. I think the band that stands out for me there that I've never really given a proper listen is Draconian. I can't remember why that is, but I've never been drawn back to them.
For some reason I've always been a massive fan of Novembre. There's something in there that really clicks with me.
Any Black Metal/Gothic bands you'd recommend? I do like Moonspell a lot, but I can't think of any others.
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Written by Ball Fondlers on 08.07.2020 at 11:20
Great article. It seems I know the genre better than I thought I did. I think the band that stands out for me there that I've never really given a proper listen is Draconian. I can't remember why that is, but I've never been drawn back to them.
For some reason I've always been a massive fan of Novembre. There's something in there that really clicks with me.
Any Black Metal/Gothic bands you'd recommend? I do like Moonspell a lot, but I can't think of any others.
Draconian is amazing! I do recommend them and listen to Arcane Rain Fell. To me one of the most depressing albums I've ever heard and one of my favorites in the genre. To be honest, they've had a lot of great albums, but that album is amazing.
Gothic/black metal is tricky because some bands have been called melodic black metal for incorporating gothic elements. Graveworm and the first Moonspell album has elements of black metal. Rotting Christ even fiddled with Gothic metal and combined those elements with their black metal sound with albums like Triarchy of the Lost Lovers through Sleep of the Angels. Other bands to check out are early Theatres Des Vampires, Nachtblut, and Opera IX. It's still a form of gothic metal I need to dig more deeply into. I did recently discover an unknown band named dreams in darkness just last night that have released music on YouTube but has limited music to listen to. Very Gothic/black but sounds amazing. Been trying to get these guys on metalstorm and the metal archives. Here's a link:
I really appreciate your feedback on the article. It makes me happy that people want to listen to the genre more often.
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Thanks Gothic Metalhead I'll check some of those out. Especially Draconian, I won't be surprised if I've already heard that album a few times before. I'll check Nachtblut too, but the bands that I see "Symphonic" attached to it, is usually a bit of a red flag for me. Bottom of the pile for those at least
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Great article!
Gothic metal will always have a special place in my heart seeing as it was what got me into metal way back when. Bands like Theatre Of Tragedy, Tristania, Sirenia and The Gathering are still among my favorites that I revisit from time to time.
One band that I hold in high regard in terms of gothic metal that you didn't mention is Beseech. Most of their early albums are great but Black Emotions especially is amazing.
When it comes to Black/Gothic-bands i'd like to mention Dismal Euphony. Their debut is more straight-forward melodic black but Autumn Leaves - The Rebellion of Tides is very much gothic metal and a great album as well.
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Written by Draugen on 09.07.2020 at 15:08
Great article!
Gothic metal will always have a special place in my heart seeing as it was what got me into metal way back when. Bands like Theatre Of Tragedy, Tristania, Sirenia and The Gathering are still among my favorites that I revisit from time to time.
One band that I hold in high regard in terms of gothic metal that you didn't mention is Beseech. Most of their early albums are great but Black Emotions especially is amazing.
When it comes to Black/Gothic-bands i'd like to mention Dismal Euphony. Their debut is more straight-forward melodic black but Autumn Leaves - The Rebellion of Tides is very much gothic metal and a great album as well.
I appreciate your post. I think I've only heard beseech's debut album. It was good, but I need to listen to them more to see which album I like the best. I actually never heard of Dismal Euphony I'll have to listen to them today. Thanks for the recommendations.
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I literally forgot about this band. Siebenburgen is another example of gothic/black metal.
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What a well-written post. interesting insights.
My first exposure to Gothic Metal was Full Moon Madness by Moonspell back in 2006 on a radio show called Black Sunday that played Metal exclusively. At that time there were a few Progressive Metal or Thrash Metal albums available in Pakistan, but nothing in the veins of Gothic Metal. After a lot of struggle, I managed to get a hold of The Antidote by Moonspell and immediately became a fan.
14 years later Gothic Metal is my most-listened-to Genre along with Doom Metal, courtesy bands like Moonspell, Draconian, The Foreshadowing, early Tristania, early Theater of Tragedy, Paradise Lost and some others.
Now, at the age of 29 I'm finally setting out to try my own Gothic/Doom Metal project. Let's hope the flame stays alive!
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Written by The Melting Snow on 10.07.2020 at 00:17
What a well-written post. interesting insights.
My first exposure to Gothic Metal was Full Moon Madness by Moonspell back in 2006 on a radio show called Black Sunday that played Metal exclusively. At that time there were a few Progressive Metal or Thrash Metal albums available in Pakistan, but nothing in the veins of Gothic Metal. After a lot of struggle, I managed to get a hold of The Antidote by Moonspell and immediately became a fan.
14 years later Gothic Metal is my most-listened-to Genre along with Doom Metal, courtesy bands like Moonspell, Draconian, The Foreshadowing, early Tristania, early Theater of Tragedy, Paradise Lost and some others.
Now, at the age of 29 I'm finally setting out to try my own Gothic/Doom Metal project. Let's hope the flame stays alive!
Full Moon Madness is one of the defining songs. I love that song so much and irreligious in particular was a great record to listen to. I'm glad that this music inspired you to want to do a gothic/doom project. I plan on doing something like that but want to do something incredibly different.
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It's all cool Crematory is keeping it alive and well.
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Well, i remember vividly this trend and i think gothic metal always had a very limited formula and the bands themselves also realized that. 99% of the bands mentioned either evolved to other topics and sounds (usually to futuristic stuff) or ended up disbanded/on hiatus/irrelevant. But it was actually a very lasting trend roughly from 1990/1991 until 2000/2001 and even after that, gothic metal didn't exactly die, because we still to this day have albums within that genre released every year. Heck, look at this year's Paradise Lost and Katatonia albums and their extremely positive reception. Look at last year's success of Idle Hands as well. There's still market for gothic metal, but understandably it's not the trend it was during the 90's.
If i may, i'd like to leave my list of gothic metal essential albums, in no particular order:
Tristania - Widow's Weeds (my go to album when someone asks me about gothic metal)
Paradise Lost - Gothic
My Dying Bride - The Angel and the Dark River
Anathema - The Silent Enigma
Tiamat - Wildhoney
Theater of Tragedy - Aégis
Alas - Absolute Purity
The Gathering - Mandylion
Cradle of Filth - Dusk...and Her Embrace
Type O Negative - Bloody Kisses
Danzig - How the Gods Kill
Moonspell - Irreligious
The 3rd and the Mortal - In This Room
Draconian - Arcane Rain Fell
Diabolique - The Black Flower
Lacuna Coil - Comalies
The Foreshadowing - Days of Nothing
Katatonia - Tonight's Decision
Within Temptation - Mother Earth
Nightwish - Century Child
Amorphis - Skyforger
Monumentum - In Absentia Christii
Rotting Christ - A Dead Poem
Sentenced - Amok
Therion - Theli
Samael - Passage
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Written by Ball Fondlers on 08.07.2020 at 11:20
Any Black Metal/Gothic bands you'd recommend? I do like Moonspell a lot, but I can't think of any others.
I'd strongly recommend you Dæmonarch, not just because it is a rather obvious choice (they are a Moonspell side project after all...) but because their only release is my favorite album of the year 1998.
They're usually being tagged as melo-black and black metal is indeed the base of their sound, but the black core is coated with a thick layer of gothic, both musically and lyrically. Their music is devoid of the typical "beauty and the beast" vocals though and I guess that's why I adore their album Hermeticum so much.
It's kinda funny that Graveworm and Siebenbürgen have been brought up, I still remember a 2000 tour featuring both bands... Anyway, the well-deserved headliner of the package was neither of them but Germany's most popular contribution to said sub-genre: Agathodaimon.
Don't let yourself be distracted by the "symphonic" stigma, only their early works feature strong symphonic elements. I'd recommend you to dip into the album Chapter III and in particular the tracks "An Angel's Funeral" and "Sacred Divinity".
Another symbiosis of gothic and black that has not been mentioned yet is Your Shapeless Beauty. Their aptly entitled last album My Swan Song is a hidden gem of gothic, black, death and doom and I'm still cursing the day of their silent disbanding. Officially they are still active but I can't believe that there will ever be a new album...
Come what may, their song "Of Roaches And Shade" is the peak of black/gothic if you ask me.
@Gothic Metalhead: great article - thank you!
I've never really been into the "2nd wave of gothic metal", my enthusiasm faded as soon as the Peaceville Three had decided to drop their doom and death roots and when operatic/angelic vocals became the dominant trademark sound of the genre. However, there is one particular band I'd like to recommend to you as I'm pretty sure that you've never heard of them: Sweet Mother Of God from Norway.
It was Dag Østby's (first vocalist of Conception) gothic metal project and their self-titled EP is one of the most precious CD's of my entire collection, I had to sell my soul to get my hands on it. Nowadays it's not really my cup of tea anymore, but I still remember how much I loved the interplay of harsh male vocals and a rather atypical, rockish female voice when it came out in 2002. This is the only digital version I know.
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Thanks for posting this, Gothic Metal is one of my favourite genres and some names posted here that are new to me so will check them out!
Makes me miss the likes of Trail of Tears & Flowing Tears but good to know there's other bands I'd never even considered.
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Written by Gothic Metalhead on 12.07.2020 at 21:25
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Tristania - Widow's Weeds (my go to album when someone asks me about gothic metal)
Paradise Lost - Gothic
My Dying Bride - The Angel and the Dark River
Anathema - The Silent Enigma
Tiamat - Wildhoney
Theater of Tragedy - Aégis
Alas - Absolute Purity
The Gathering - Mandylion
Cradle of Filth - Dusk...and Her Embrace
Type O Negative - Bloody Kisses
Danzig - How the Gods Kill
Moonspell - Irreligious
The 3rd and the Mortal - In This Room
Draconian - Arcane Rain Fell
Diabolique - The Black Flower
Lacuna Coil - Comalies
The Foreshadowing - Days of Nothing
Katatonia - Tonight's Decision
Within Temptation - Mother Earth
Nightwish - Century Child
Amorphis - Skyforger
Monumentum - In Absentia Christii
Rotting Christ - A Dead Poem
Sentenced - Amok
Therion - Theli
Samael - Passage
You hit the nail on the head with most of the essentials of the genre. Though I have my different opinions on which Anathema, and The 3rd and the Mortal album is essential. I'm really glad there's actually another person who knows who Monumentum was.
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Written by Starvynth on 12.07.2020 at 15:09
Written by Ball Fondlers on 08.07.2020 at 11:20
Any Black Metal/Gothic bands you'd recommend? I do like Moonspell a lot, but I can't think of any others.
@Gothic Metalhead: great article - thank you!
I've never really been into the "2nd wave of gothic metal", my enthusiasm faded as soon as the Peaceville Three had decided to drop their doom and death roots and when operatic/angelic vocals became the dominant trademark sound of the genre. However, there is one particular band I'd like to recommend to you as I'm pretty sure that you've never heard of them: Sweet Mother Of God from Norway.
It was Dag Østby's (first vocalist of Conception) gothic metal project and their self-titled EP is one of the most precious CD's of my entire collection, I had to sell my soul to get my hands on it. Nowadays it's not really my cup of tea anymore, but I still remember how much I loved the interplay of harsh male vocals and a rather atypical, rockish female voice when it came out in 2002. This is the only digital version I know.
Thanks for the recommendation. I will check out the band as soon as possible as well as the previous bands you've mentioned for gothic/black metal
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Written by HyperDrifter on 12.07.2020 at 18:11
Thanks for posting this, Gothic Metal is one of my favourite genres and some names posted here that are new to me so will check them out!
Makes me miss the likes of Trail of Tears & Flowing Tears but good to know there's other bands I'd never even considered.
I'm glad you like the article. I gotta listen to Flowing Tears more often. Haven't heard their music besides one album or so.
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I think gothic is quite a large umbrella. While I do love bands like Type O Negative, Moonspell, the Peaceville Three and really enjoyed the latest Idle Hands, Angellore and Tribulation, there is a lot of gothic that I can't stand (particularly the bands that have the "beauty and the beast" vocals, or those that have loads of sympho in their sound). Even though the style's heyday was during the '90s, there are still some gems coming out today so I don't think gothic metal will perish.
Great article by the way
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Written by nikarg on 13.07.2020 at 01:28
I think gothic is quite a large umbrella. While I do love bands like Type O Negative, Moonspell, the Peaceville Three and really enjoyed the latest Idle Hands, Angellore and Tribulation, there is a lot of gothic that I can't stand (particularly the bands that have the "beauty and the beast" vocals, or those that have loads of sympho in their sound). Even though the style's heyday was during the '90s, there are still some gems coming out today so I don't think gothic metal will perish.
I can understand that you don't stand a lot of the beauty and the beast bands. I originally stayed away from it, but just searched for more bands that I thought were amazing. That is because there were so much bands in the genre. Searching for bands that are the same wow factor as Draconian is like mining for gold.
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As no one has listed it yet, I can also recommend SpiRitual's Pulse as a great Gothic Metal album - a hidden gem that I found thanks to Metal Storm!
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Written by HyperDrifter on 13.07.2020 at 13:43
As no one has listed it yet, I can also recommend SpiRitual's Pulse as a great Gothic Metal album - a hidden gem that I found thanks to Metal Storm!
I did notice their name on the list of highest rated gothic metal albums and never got the chance to hear them yet. I might have but probably forgot I can't really tell. Either way I'll definitely listen to them.
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Draconian's latest song (Sorrow of Sophia) is a fresh ray of hope.
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Written by The Melting Snow on 16.07.2020 at 19:34
Draconian's latest song (Sorrow of Sophia) is a fresh ray of hope.
I listened to it yesterday. To be honest it's better than their last single and it does sounds like a ray of hope. Hence why they're one of the brightest lights in the genre.
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