CWA
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16.01.2016 - 09:14Rating: 8
Can someone please define "cheese" for me? It seems to be a popular disparaging comment people use against metal bands that have a positive, light and uplifting sound compared to typical pseudo tough guy image most bands strive for these days. I can't really take someones opinion seriously any more once i find out that word is apart of the vocabulary.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6101 |
Written by CWA on 16.01.2016 at 09:14
Can someone please define "cheese" for me? It seems to be a popular disparaging comment people use against metal bands that have a positive, light and uplifting sound compared to typical pseudo tough guy image most bands strive for these days. I can't really take someones opinion seriously any more once i find out that word is apart of the vocabulary.
Urbandictionary.com explains the word quite well. And god, how much it suits Rhapsody. No other band defines "cheesy" better than them:
This is an important word and nobody has it right yet. What it means is: Trying too hard, unsubtle, and inauthentic.
Specifically that which is unsubtle or inauthentic in its way of trying to elicit a certain response from a viewer, listener, audience, etc. Celine Dion is cheesy because her lyrics, timbre, key changes, and swelling orchestral accompaniment telegraph 'i want you to be moved' instead of moving you.
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Cheesiness is subjective. What seems cheesy to me, may be a legitimate and attractive hairstyle to you. What seems cheesy to me, may cause you to weep and hug your girlfriend tight.
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Eccer
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Written by Irritable Ted on 16.01.2016 at 10:48
Written by CWA on 16.01.2016 at 09:14
Can someone please define "cheese" for me? I can't really take someones opinion seriously any more once i find out that word is apart of the vocabulary.
I'm sorry. Are you a vegan? Big Cheesy grin.
Power metal fans have taken back the term "cheese". We no longer see it as a bigoted term. It is no longer a hate crime. It is our word. Feel pride in your cheese.
That's what I've always said... good cheese will always be good cheese!
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Belegûr Arise In Might!
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16.01.2016 - 16:13Rating: 8
Written by CWA on 16.01.2016 at 09:14
Can someone please define "cheese" for me? It seems to be a popular disparaging comment people use against metal bands that have a positive, light and uplifting sound compared to typical pseudo tough guy image most bands strive for these days. I can't really take someones opinion seriously any more once i find out that word is apart of the vocabulary.
I use it as a fun term . I couldn't care less about band image or anything like that. You will be hard pushed finding many power metal fans on this site who listen to it more than I do, so don't take the use of one word as a slur against a genre of music. I adore Rhapsody of Fire, but also adore uplifting and CHEESY power metal music.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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To much worlds and kind worlds for this band, I think they need negative critics, don't get why ppl say old ROF ...
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Stormtroopers of Death - "Speak English or Die"
I better die, because I never will learn speek english, so I choose dieing
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Belegûr Arise In Might!
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16.01.2016 - 18:25Rating: 8
Written by Bad English on 16.01.2016 at 17:33
To much worlds and kind worlds for this band, I think they need negative critics, don't get why ppl say old ROF ...
Too many words I guess? I'm sorry that 600 words is a struggle for you
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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Written by Belegûr on 16.01.2016 at 18:25
Written by Bad English on 16.01.2016 at 17:33
To much worlds and kind worlds for this band, I think they need negative critics, don't get why ppl say old ROF ...
Too many words I guess? I'm sorry that 600 words is a struggle for you
because seems only wizard can make it happen, 20 max for this album, if it would good band, I would like to read it ,
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Stormtroopers of Death - "Speak English or Die"
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Belegûr Arise In Might!
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16.01.2016 - 18:28Rating: 8
Written by Bad English on 16.01.2016 at 18:27
Written by Belegûr on 16.01.2016 at 18:25
Written by Bad English on 16.01.2016 at 17:33
To much worlds and kind worlds for this band, I think they need negative critics, don't get why ppl say old ROF ...
Too many words I guess? I'm sorry that 600 words is a struggle for you
because seems only wizard can make it happen, 20 max for this album, if it would good band, I would like to read it ,
That's nice.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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Written by Belegûr on 16.01.2016 at 18:28
That's nice.
like other of you reviews, I be happy if you write more
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Belegûr Arise In Might!
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16.01.2016 - 18:32Rating: 8
Written by Bad English on 16.01.2016 at 18:30
Written by Belegûr on 16.01.2016 at 18:28
That's nice.
like other of you reviews, I be happy if you write more
Cool. I'll make sure I keep it under 30 words so you don't lose patience.
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CWA
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16.01.2016 - 18:38Rating: 8
Written by Daniell on 16.01.2016 at 11:51
Written by CWA on 16.01.2016 at 09:14
Can someone please define "cheese" for me? It seems to be a popular disparaging comment people use against metal bands that have a positive, light and uplifting sound compared to typical pseudo tough guy image most bands strive for these days. I can't really take someones opinion seriously any more once i find out that word is apart of the vocabulary.
Urbandictionary.com explains the word quite well. And god, how much it suits Rhapsody. No other band defines "cheesy" better than them:
This is an important word and nobody has it right yet. What it means is: Trying too hard, unsubtle, and inauthentic.
Specifically that which is unsubtle or inauthentic in its way of trying to elicit a certain response from a viewer, listener, audience, etc. Celine Dion is cheesy because her lyrics, timbre, key changes, and swelling orchestral accompaniment telegraph 'i want you to be moved' instead of moving you.
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Cheesiness is subjective. What seems cheesy to me, may be a legitimate and attractive hairstyle to you. What seems cheesy to me, may cause you to weep and hug your girlfriend tight.
Thanks for sharing that, but i would have to disagree with your conclusion. Maybe they try to hard with some of the narrations, but they are just naturally very talented musicians who did not have to strain very hard too come up with the music they have made in the past. Unsubtle, on the surface yes, but they have a lot a layered subtleties and nuances. Also, if you think Rhapsody are inauthentic then you don't know much about there members quite frankly. I believe a band fits this description more accurately is a band like Gloryhammer, though they seem to be intentionally "cheesy."
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CWA
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16.01.2016 - 18:41Rating: 8
Written by Belegûr on 16.01.2016 at 16:13
Written by CWA on 16.01.2016 at 09:14
Can someone please define "cheese" for me? It seems to be a popular disparaging comment people use against metal bands that have a positive, light and uplifting sound compared to typical pseudo tough guy image most bands strive for these days. I can't really take someones opinion seriously any more once i find out that word is apart of the vocabulary.
I use it as a fun term . I couldn't care less about band image or anything like that. You will be hard pushed finding many power metal fans on this site who listen to it more than I do, so don't take the use of one word as a slur against a genre of music. I adore Rhapsody of Fire, but also adore uplifting and CHEESY power metal music.
In all honesty I always like your reviews and recommendations. The term "chessy" has simply become too cliche and I abhor cliches, hence my frustration with your use of it.
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Belegûr Arise In Might!
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16.01.2016 - 18:47Rating: 8
Written by CWA on 16.01.2016 at 18:41
Written by Belegûr on 16.01.2016 at 16:13
Written by CWA on 16.01.2016 at 09:14
Can someone please define "cheese" for me? It seems to be a popular disparaging comment people use against metal bands that have a positive, light and uplifting sound compared to typical pseudo tough guy image most bands strive for these days. I can't really take someones opinion seriously any more once i find out that word is apart of the vocabulary.
I use it as a fun term . I couldn't care less about band image or anything like that. You will be hard pushed finding many power metal fans on this site who listen to it more than I do, so don't take the use of one word as a slur against a genre of music. I adore Rhapsody of Fire, but also adore uplifting and CHEESY power metal music.
In all honesty I always like your reviews and recommendations. The term "chessy" has simply become too cliche and I abhor cliches, hence my frustration with your use of it.
Yeah I do understand. It's not a word I often use and I've removed it from the review I always welcome construction criticism
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SoUnDs LiKe PoP
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PROS:
- Fabio sounds much better
- The return of some baroque elements
- Great musically (choirs, too)
- Interesting key changes
- Much better production than the last album
CONS:
- Many of the main vocal melodies are forgettable
- No awesome narration (RIP Christopher Lee)
- Outside of Into the Legend's verses, Fabio is pretty much always singing at a mid paced tempo - very little variety in vocal speed/tempo
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D88M3R
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Is hard to take seriously a review which starts claiming that Prometheus was a "confusing mess"
edit: meh, the review is good, is what i expect from the album and what i read pretty much everywhere, it seems they regretted what they did in the last mediocre album and they tried to go back to the roots, at least is better than the previous album
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D88M3R
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Written by CWA on 16.01.2016 at 09:14
Can someone please define "cheese" for me? It seems to be a popular disparaging comment people use against metal bands that have a positive, light and uplifting sound compared to typical pseudo tough guy image most bands strive for these days. I can't really take someones opinion seriously any more once i find out that word is apart of the vocabulary.
it means exacly what you are saying that it means for these people, you have to be "dark" or satanist or you are not a metal band in the eyes of some people, is ridiculous
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D88M3R
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Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 16.01.2016 at 21:06
PROS:
- Fabio sounds much better
- The return of some baroque elements
- Great musically (choirs, too)
- Interesting key changes
- Much better production than the last album
CONS:
- Many of the main vocal melodies are forgettable
- No awesome narration (RIP Christopher Lee)
- Outside of Into the Legend's verses, Fabio is pretty much always singing at a mid paced tempo - very little variety in vocal speed/tempo
that happened in the last album too (nevermind the lyrics were pretty bad and i dont think they are better in this album) the vocal melodies are so, i dont know, boring, specially in the verses, they are totally wasting Fabio, is like Alex barely knows how to compose anything that is not an orchestra and it does it clumsly, kinda amateurish, which surprises me a lot, the songs are way more simple that what they used to be too
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Belegûr Arise In Might!
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16.01.2016 - 22:27Rating: 8
Written by D88M3R on 16.01.2016 at 21:37
Is hard to take seriously a review which starts claiming that Prometheus was a "confusing mess"
edit: meh, the review is good, is what i expect from the album and what i read pretty much everywhere, it seems they regretted what they did in the last mediocre album and they tried to go back to the roots, at least is better than the previous album
I stand by what I said about Prometheus, it was a confusing mess. The only real memorable song was one that they have "reloaded" since the release. The rest was just an orgy of generic latin phrases and over the top orchestration. Still, I gave it a 7.2 on here. People take other peoples opinions way to heart way too often here. If you liked the album, then I'm really happy for you
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Belegûr Arise In Might!
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16.01.2016 - 22:32Rating: 8
Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 16.01.2016 at 21:06
CONS:
- No awesome narration (RIP Christopher Lee)
I think the narration would probably be out of place now since there isn't a big story tying all the songs together. Also when Rhapsody replaced the awful Sir Jay Lansford with Sir Christopher Lee, they were never going to top him after he died . Probably best they don't have narration now.
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Thrasher91
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Sounds awesome have to give it a try, yet it is kinda hard to believe that this sounds like the old days specially without Luca Turilli
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D88M3R
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Written by Belegûr on 16.01.2016 at 22:27
Written by D88M3R on 16.01.2016 at 21:37
Is hard to take seriously a review which starts claiming that Prometheus was a "confusing mess"
edit: meh, the review is good, is what i expect from the album and what i read pretty much everywhere, it seems they regretted what they did in the last mediocre album and they tried to go back to the roots, at least is better than the previous album
I stand by what I said about Prometheus, it was a confusing mess. The only real memorable song was one that they have "reloaded" since the release. The rest was just an orgy of generic latin phrases and over the top orchestration. Still, I gave it a 7.2 on here. People take other peoples opinions way to heart way too often here. If you liked the album, then I'm really happy for you
To me it was his best album in a loong time, the "reloaded" version of Il Cigno Nero was mediocre, it was just a rushed attempt to compete with the videoclip of Rhapsody Of Fire, clearly a marketing strategy to get attention, and the mix of the guitar in that song was a mess, the original was better, the thing is, a lot of people complains about Rhapsody/Luca Turilli because in their minds it doesnt have "enough metal/guitars" instead of taking it as it is, and Rhapsody/Luca Turilli was never just metal, is so much more in many levels, and i loved Prometheus (also, i love film scores, i guess that helps) because of the esoteric/occult content -among other things- which were always part of what he does but never did so upfront, the lyrics were the best he has ever made, not only because he finally learned to write in english but because it talks about deep, cosmic truths about mankind in a way he never could before, by example, everybody laughed at the song Prometheus because of the lyrics, but my mind was blown when i read them and what they were talking about, now, the orchestration thing is subjetive, yes it is over the top, like always has been, and the album has so many layers upon layers of sounds that the only way to really appreciate is in a really loud and good soundspeaker, but is really fantastic what he did with the instruments, i guess that is why now we have two Rhapsodys, one is simple, direct and metal, and the other one is complex, deep, and just any kind of music Luca wants it to be, i care only that the music is good and Prometheus was amazing, i hope Into the Legend is just as good but on the other side of the spectrum agter the last dissapointing album, anyway, just wanted to say that and i wanted to say it in this page for a while now, that is the main reason (but not the only one!) i finally registered, sorry for the long answer lol, thanks for reading Peace, and Love, Forever!
edit: sorry i had to edit to say this: to me, it wasnt confusing or a mess at all, not only each song is like a movie, but the whole album has a great flow when you hear it in its entirety and flows like one single huge song (which btw would also happen with Ascending to Infinity if they would care to release Fantasia Gotica once and for all) not only in music but in concept, truly a masterpiece of the genre
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Belegûr Arise In Might!
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17.01.2016 - 17:01Rating: 8
Written by Thrasher91 on 17.01.2016 at 07:30
Sounds awesome have to give it a try, yet it is kinda hard to believe that this sounds like the old days specially without Luca Turilli
It's quite strange. The guitarist pretty much imitates Luca throughout, but the entire album does sound like an attempt to recreate those old albums. Well to me it did anyway
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SoUnDs LiKe PoP
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Written by Belegûr on 16.01.2016 at 22:32
Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 16.01.2016 at 21:06
CONS:
- No awesome narration (RIP Christopher Lee)
I think the narration would probably be out of place now since there isn't a big story tying all the songs together. Also when Rhapsody replaced the awful Sir Jay Lansford with Sir Christopher Lee, they were never going to top him after he died . Probably best they don't have narration now.
On SOEL2 and The Cold Embrace of Fear, they DID have some other voice actors that were very talented, though. I guess they were "characters" that don't exist now, but still, the talent is out there...
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Belegûr Arise In Might!
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17.01.2016 - 20:13Rating: 8
Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 17.01.2016 at 18:27
Written by Belegûr on 16.01.2016 at 22:32
Written by SoUnDs LiKe PoP on 16.01.2016 at 21:06
CONS:
- No awesome narration (RIP Christopher Lee)
I think the narration would probably be out of place now since there isn't a big story tying all the songs together. Also when Rhapsody replaced the awful Sir Jay Lansford with Sir Christopher Lee, they were never going to top him after he died . Probably best they don't have narration now.
On SOEL2 and The Cold Embrace of Fear, they DID have some other voice actors that were very talented, though. I guess they were "characters" that don't exist now, but still, the talent is out there...
Well I'm not saying that no other voice actor would be capable. I'm saying that Lee worked so well with Rhapsody that I wouldn't really want anyone else.
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CWA
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18.01.2016 - 07:25Rating: 8
Written by D88M3R on 17.01.2016 at 16:18
Written by Belegûr on 16.01.2016 at 22:27
Written by D88M3R on 16.01.2016 at 21:37
Is hard to take seriously a review which starts claiming that Prometheus was a "confusing mess"
edit: meh, the review is good, is what i expect from the album and what i read pretty much everywhere, it seems they regretted what they did in the last mediocre album and they tried to go back to the roots, at least is better than the previous album
I stand by what I said about Prometheus, it was a confusing mess. The only real memorable song was one that they have "reloaded" since the release. The rest was just an orgy of generic latin phrases and over the top orchestration. Still, I gave it a 7.2 on here. People take other peoples opinions way to heart way too often here. If you liked the album, then I'm really happy for you
To me it was his best album in a loong time, the "reloaded" version of Il Cigno Nero was mediocre, it was just a rushed attempt to compete with the videoclip of Rhapsody Of Fire, clearly a marketing strategy to get attention, and the mix of the guitar in that song was a mess, the original was better, the thing is, a lot of people complains about Rhapsody/Luca Turilli because in their minds it doesnt have "enough metal/guitars" instead of taking it as it is, and Rhapsody/Luca Turilli was never just metal, is so much more in many levels, and i loved Prometheus (also, i love film scores, i guess that helps) because of the esoteric/occult content -among other things- which were always part of what he does but never did so upfront, the lyrics were the best he has ever made, not only because he finally learned to write in english but because it talks about deep, cosmic truths about mankind in a way he never could before, by example, everybody laughed at the song Prometheus because of the lyrics, but my mind was blown when i read them and what they were talking about, now, the orchestration thing is subjetive, yes it is over the top, like always has been, and the album has so many layers upon layers of sounds that the only way to really appreciate is in a really loud and good soundspeaker, but is really fantastic what he did with the instruments, i guess that is why now we have two Rhapsodys, one is simple, direct and metal, and the other one is complex, deep, and just any kind of music Luca wants it to be, i care only that the music is good and Prometheus was amazing, i hope Into the Legend is just as good but on the other side of the spectrum agter the last dissapointing album, anyway, just wanted to say that and i wanted to say it in this page for a while now, that is the main reason (but not the only one!) i finally registered, sorry for the long answer lol, thanks for reading Peace, and Love, Forever!
edit: sorry i had to edit to say this: to me, it wasnt confusing or a mess at all, not only each song is like a movie, but the whole album has a great flow when you hear it in its entirety and flows like one single huge song (which btw would also happen with Ascending to Infinity if they would care to release Fantasia Gotica once and for all) not only in music but in concept, truly a masterpiece of the genre
Wow, just wow. There are very few people who truly understand Luca and his work, and you are one of them. Your paragraph is is the most accurate thing I've ever read on a musician/album. Cheers!:thumbup:
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Windir2010
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Written by Irritable Ted on 16.01.2016 at 10:48
Written by CWA on 16.01.2016 at 09:14
Can someone please define "cheese" for me? I can't really take someones opinion seriously any more once i find out that word is apart of the vocabulary.
I'm sorry. Are you a vegan? Big Cheesy grin.
Power metal fans have taken back the term "cheese". We no longer see it as a bigoted term. It is no longer a hate crime. It is our word. Feel pride in your cheese.
Maybe some would disagree, but I find the best Power Metal to equate as cheese would be Glory Hammer. I don't think of it as disparaging either, so enjoy all that cheese because I fucking Loved the first Gloryhammer album!
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ROFL!!!!!!!!!! People unironically enjoy this?
This is actually quite shocking to me, I thought it was all a joke till I saw the reviews.
"RAH RAH DRAGON SLAY AHHH PRINCESS"
"MY SWORD IS MIGHTY BUT MY HEART IS STRONG"
"AHHHHHH"
"KILL DEMON DARK LORD AHHHH"
you guys are tard and i would pwn you irl
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Eternal heathen Throne,
Beneath the cold starlight.
Revealed for the purest sight.
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Belegûr Arise In Might!
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29.01.2016 - 15:19Rating: 8
Written by Irritable Ted on 29.01.2016 at 11:06
Written by winchimes on 28.01.2016 at 21:06
ROFL!!!!!!!!!! People unironically enjoy this?
This is actually quite shocking to me, I thought it was all a joke till I saw the reviews.
"RAH RAH DRAGON SLAY AHHH PRINCESS"
"MY SWORD IS MIGHTY BUT MY HEART IS STRONG"
"AHHHHHH"
"KILL DEMON DARK LORD AHHHH"
you guys are tard and i would pwn you irl
You take the piss out of the lyrics, but come up with "you guys are tard and i would pwn you irl " What does that even mean?
Just another troll to add to the ever growing pile don't worry
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
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Member of the true crusade against European Flower Metal
Yesterday is dead and gone, tomorrow is out of sight
Dawn Crosby (r.i.p.)
05.04.1963 - 15.12.1996
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