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24.09.2010 - 18:48Rating: 9
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I just bought TGE yesterday and find it absolutely awesome, so if this is anyway near that, I'll have to give it a try as well
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JCJen7
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You know, I only started listening to metal about a year and a half ago, so I haven't had a chance to get in to really any "obscure" bands. (I realize Nevermore is pretty established by now, but I am talking Black Sabbath, Maiden, Priest, Metallica, you know, the HUGE names.) So, I have been really catching up on the obvious stuff, but I try to go out and get the albums that these obviously very educated (in metal that is) reviewers suggest, and I would simply like to thank you guys for that. This is one of the most unbiased places around for metal, (except everyone here hates Avenged Sevenfold and Trivium here, who I love, but whatever). So anyways, thank you, this review has helped me find another thrash/prog band that I can get in to.
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11.10.2010 - 22:33Rating: 9
Written by JCJen7 on 10.10.2010 at 06:24
You know, I only started listening to metal about a year and a half ago, so I haven't had a chance to get in to really any "obscure" bands. (I realize Nevermore is pretty established by now, but I am talking Black Sabbath, Maiden, Priest, Metallica, you know, the HUGE names.) So, I have been really catching up on the obvious stuff, but I try to go out and get the albums that these obviously very educated (in metal that is) reviewers suggest, and I would simply like to thank you guys for that. This is one of the most unbiased places around for metal, (except everyone here hates Avenged Sevenfold and Trivium here, who I love, but whatever). So anyways, thank you, this review has helped me find another thrash/prog band that I can get in to.
nevermore are great or maybe magnificent! they are a bit more aggressive than the bands you've mentioned and this is a good step imo! but you should first listen to Dead Heart In A Dead World or This Godless Endeavor -those 2 albums are probably their best, or at least they have their best moments. as you are new to metal i'd suggest you to give many chances to anything new you listen to and generally never hurry up in order to listen to tones of this new -for you- music. take your time and you'll probably stuck badly here!
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Written by Deadmeat on 11.10.2010 at 22:33
Written by JCJen7 on 10.10.2010 at 06:24
You know, I only started listening to metal about a year and a half ago, so I haven't had a chance to get in to really any "obscure" bands. (I realize Nevermore is pretty established by now, but I am talking Black Sabbath, Maiden, Priest, Metallica, you know, the HUGE names.) So, I have been really catching up on the obvious stuff, but I try to go out and get the albums that these obviously very educated (in metal that is) reviewers suggest, and I would simply like to thank you guys for that. This is one of the most unbiased places around for metal, (except everyone here hates Avenged Sevenfold and Trivium here, who I love, but whatever). So anyways, thank you, this review has helped me find another thrash/prog band that I can get in to.
nevermore are great or maybe magnificent! they are a bit more aggressive than the bands you've mentioned and this is a good step imo! but you should first listen to Dead Heart In A Dead World or This Godless Endeavor -those 2 albums are probably their best, or at least they have their best moments. as you are new to metal i'd suggest you to give many chances to anything new you listen to and generally never hurry up in order to listen to tones of this new -for you- music. take your time and you'll probably stuck badly here!
Thanks, yeah I already grabbed This Godless Endeavor, I'll check out Dead Heart... next chance I get, I really like their style. And one more question if you don't mind, what is doom metal? I have heard it a lot on these reviews, and I have never really understood it? Same with Sludge Metal.
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Written by JCJen7 on 12.10.2010 at 02:34
Written by Deadmeat on 11.10.2010 at 22:33
Written by JCJen7 on 10.10.2010 at 06:24
You know, I only started listening to metal about a year and a half ago, so I haven't had a chance to get in to really any "obscure" bands. (I realize Nevermore is pretty established by now, but I am talking Black Sabbath, Maiden, Priest, Metallica, you know, the HUGE names.) So, I have been really catching up on the obvious stuff, but I try to go out and get the albums that these obviously very educated (in metal that is) reviewers suggest, and I would simply like to thank you guys for that. This is one of the most unbiased places around for metal, (except everyone here hates Avenged Sevenfold and Trivium here, who I love, but whatever). So anyways, thank you, this review has helped me find another thrash/prog band that I can get in to.
nevermore are great or maybe magnificent! they are a bit more aggressive than the bands you've mentioned and this is a good step imo! but you should first listen to Dead Heart In A Dead World or This Godless Endeavor -those 2 albums are probably their best, or at least they have their best moments. as you are new to metal i'd suggest you to give many chances to anything new you listen to and generally never hurry up in order to listen to tones of this new -for you- music. take your time and you'll probably stuck badly here!
Thanks, yeah I already grabbed This Godless Endeavor, I'll check out Dead Heart... next chance I get, I really like their style. And one more question if you don't mind, what is doom metal? I have heard it a lot on these reviews, and I have never really understood it? Same with Sludge Metal.
Doom is heavy, slow, often dealing with depressive or religious subjects. If there was an archetypal band (except for Black Sabbath of course), i would probably be Candlemass).
Sludge has really heavy and downtuned guitars, and the vocals are often screamed in a fashion not unsimilar to hardcore.
To check bands by style, just go here and toy around with the filters.
Oh, and welcome to the Metal world, it can virtually lead you everywhere. Stay open minded, allow yourself to be surprised, and whatever you discover and don't like, remember that your tastes might change in a few years!
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Doom is heavy, slow, often dealing with depressive or religious subjects. If there was an archetypal band (except for Black Sabbath of course), i would probably be Candlemass).
Sludge has really heavy and downtuned guitars, and the vocals are often screamed in a fashion not unsimilar to hardcore.
To check bands by style, just go here and toy around with the filters.
Oh, and welcome to the Metal world, it can virtually lead you everywhere. Stay open minded, allow yourself to be surprised, and whatever you discover and don't like, remember that your tastes might change in a few years!
Well thank you very much! I will check out some Doom metal bands, sludge metal doesn't sound too great, Ill give it a shot though. And yeah, I know what you mean, up until about a month ago I thought death metal was trash. I still can really only listen to technical stuff like Death's Symbolic and ...Thought Patterns but I will keep giving it a shot. Thank you.
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Written by JCJen7 on 12.10.2010 at 04:00
Thank you.
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12.10.2010 - 17:30Rating: 9
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Written by JCJen7 on 12.10.2010 at 04:00
Doom is heavy, slow, often dealing with depressive or religious subjects. If there was an archetypal band (except for Black Sabbath of course), i would probably be Candlemass).
Sludge has really heavy and downtuned guitars, and the vocals are often screamed in a fashion not unsimilar to hardcore.
To check bands by style, just go here and toy around with the filters.
Oh, and welcome to the Metal world, it can virtually lead you everywhere. Stay open minded, allow yourself to be surprised, and whatever you discover and don't like, remember that your tastes might change in a few years!
Well thank you very much! I will check out some Doom metal bands, sludge metal doesn't sound too great, Ill give it a shot though. And yeah, I know what you mean, up until about a month ago I thought death metal was trash. I still can really only listen to technical stuff like Death's Symbolic and ...Thought Patterns but I will keep giving it a shot. Thank you.
Darkside Momo gave you a great answer on what you've asked! by the way Death are not that technical (you'll realize it when you'll listen to Nile or Morbid Angel for example) but they are just MAGNIFICENT! the fact that intrigues you and me and most people at our first steps in death metal for example is the melodic moments of the songs. without them, they all sound the same. so give them many many shots and you'll like them much more by the time. it's like the cigar: most people dont like it from the begining but after getting used to it you cant live without it! it is nice that you are not afraid of asking about what you dont know- only a few people do it..
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The discussions on this page for this album seems to get more interesting
than the album itself..... anyway this has prompted me to get it and
listen to it first..............
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Pretty good music, Jeff Loomis is a hero at his craft, but this album art is just terrible. I'd be embarrassed if it was the art for my own album.
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22.10.2010 - 08:46Rating: 7
The Obsidian Conspiracy is a good album, but many would likely agree with me that without Wichers producing it, it would probably have turned out much better. Loomis mentioned in a few interviews that Wichers took his 7-8 minute long songs and "chopped them up," which is very easy to hear on tracks like Emptiness Unobstructed. Honestly, I never would have expected a song opening like that for Nevermore before this album, as it goes against their pre-TOC principles of songwriting. It's clear that Nevermore were aiming for commercial success with this album, and while it is still enjoyable I don't find it as satisfying as their earlier work. Also, even though Loomis used better gear on this album as opposed to TGE (Engl rather than Krank) I find the guitars and the mix in general to sound far too compressed for such a musical band. Good review, though, honest to your opinions and not abrasive. I'm glad other people are more passionate about this album than I am
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02.11.2010 - 15:17Rating: 9
Written by Daniell on 15.08.2010 at 18:55
I'll be probably the only person in the world who thinks that this one is better than This Godless Endeavor
Having listened to the album many times now I think I'm with you on this one, nice review! TGE has it's moments, many moments in fact, but TOC is both more enjoyable overall and continues to be such after numerous listens in my opinion. Still doesn't quite top DHIADW for me though.
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I just noticed that Nevermore is the only band here in MS with three perfect 10 reviews by three different people (the others being DHIADW and TGE). Just goes to show that Nevermore ain't nothing but top drawer stuff...
As for this album, I can safely say that it's their third best album, only behind "The Godless Endeavour" and the awesome "Dead Heart In A Dead World".
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10.01.2011 - 15:57Rating: 7
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Written by [user id=109200] on 09.01.2011 at 21:02
I just noticed that Nevermore is the only band here in MS with three perfect 10 reviews by three different people (the others being DHIADW and TGE). Just goes to show that Nevermore ain't nothing but top drawer stuff...
Public reception =/= quality.
Engrave that into your mind.
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Written by vezzy on 10.01.2011 at 15:57
Written by [user id=109200] on 09.01.2011 at 21:02
I just noticed that Nevermore is the only band here in MS with three perfect 10 reviews by three different people (the others being DHIADW and TGE). Just goes to show that Nevermore ain't nothing but top drawer stuff...
Public reception =/= quality.
Engrave that into your mind.
I have nothing to engrave on my mind other than my own perceptions, whether they fall into general public reception or not, is none of my concern.
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10.01.2011 - 16:09Rating: 7
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Written by [user id=109200] on 10.01.2011 at 16:04
Written by vezzy on 10.01.2011 at 15:57
Written by [user id=109200] on 09.01.2011 at 21:02
I just noticed that Nevermore is the only band here in MS with three perfect 10 reviews by three different people (the others being DHIADW and TGE). Just goes to show that Nevermore ain't nothing but top drawer stuff...
Public reception =/= quality.
Engrave that into your mind.
I have nothing to engrave on my mind other than my own perceptions, whether they fall into general public reception or not, is none of my concern.
That's fine, but you're asserting that public reception shows that Nevermore is of exceptionally high quality.
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Written by vezzy on 10.01.2011 at 16:09
Written by [user id=109200] on 10.01.2011 at 16:04
Written by vezzy on 10.01.2011 at 15:57
Written by [user id=109200] on 09.01.2011 at 21:02
I just noticed that Nevermore is the only band here in MS with three perfect 10 reviews by three different people (the others being DHIADW and TGE). Just goes to show that Nevermore ain't nothing but top drawer stuff...
Public reception =/= quality.
Engrave that into your mind.
I have nothing to engrave on my mind other than my own perceptions, whether they fall into general public reception or not, is none of my concern.
That's fine, but you're asserting that public reception shows that Nevermore is of exceptionally high quality.
Well, maybe I could have put it a little bit better, but I certainly did not mean assert anything. Everything in music is pretty subjective.
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10.01.2011 - 16:26Rating: 8
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Vezzy, how would measure the quality of music?
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10.01.2011 - 17:53Rating: 7
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Written by K✞ulu on 10.01.2011 at 16:26
Vezzy, how would measure the quality of music?
Well-executed, a guitar tone that doesn't sound average and sterile, production that doesn't sound like a distorted bass-like boom... etc., etc.
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10.01.2011 - 18:09Rating: 8
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Written by vezzy on 10.01.2011 at 17:53
Written by K✞ulu on 10.01.2011 at 16:26
Vezzy, how would measure the quality of music?
Well-executed, a guitar tone that doesn't sound average and sterile, production that doesn't sound like a distorted bass-like boom... etc., etc.
well, then I guess public opinion is a good proxy...
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Written by K✞ulu on 10.01.2011 at 16:26
Vezzy, how would measure the quality of music?
Simple.... you can't.
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vezzy Stallmanite
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10.01.2011 - 19:06Rating: 7
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Written by K✞ulu on 10.01.2011 at 18:09
Written by vezzy on 10.01.2011 at 17:53
Written by K✞ulu on 10.01.2011 at 16:26
Vezzy, how would measure the quality of music?
Well-executed, a guitar tone that doesn't sound average and sterile, production that doesn't sound like a distorted bass-like boom... etc., etc.
well, then I guess public opinion is a good proxy...
Unfortunately this album fails to meet the second criteria.
This album bores me, plain and simple.
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 10.01.2011 at 18:23 Simple.... you can't.
100% correct.
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Written by Angelic Storm on 10.01.2011 at 19:14
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 10.01.2011 at 18:23 Simple.... you can't.
100% correct.
Really? I have always thought, "Hey, if it's worth appreciating, then their has to be a certain measurable level of quality to it".
Like, ambition, strong and creative sense of songwriting and instrument playing, something that doesn't sound half-assed. You know something that has "quality". For instance, I don't really like Nevermore too much, but it's obvious that they usually make high-quality stuff. Then I can at least appreciate it whether it suits me or not (and understand why others may like it).
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Written by Fat & Sassy! on 11.01.2011 at 01:23 Really? I have always thought, "Hey, if it's worth appreciating, then their has to be a certain measurable level of quality to it".
Like, ambition, strong and creative sense of songwriting and instrument playing, something that doesn't sound half-assed. You know something that has "quality". For instance, I don't really like Nevermore too much, but it's obvious that they usually make high-quality stuff. Then I can at least appreciate it whether it suits me or not (and understand why other may like it).
Of course, but how that quality is measured differs from person to person, which is the whole point. There's no universal measure of quality that everyone agrees on, because a lot of it is subjective, and purely down to opinion. I can also see and appreciate talent, even if the actual music isnt to my own personal taste. A lot of people cant do this though. If they dont like it, then its crap, and that's it.
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Ah, ok. I understand the point a bit better now.
Written by Angelic Storm on 11.01.2011 at 01:32
I can also see and appreciate talent, even if the actual music isnt to my own personal taste. A lot of people cant do this though. If they dont like it, then its crap, and that's it.
I do know this, and I think it's very unfortunate. I feel that that is a very lame attitude to have about music (or just art in general). It's pretty much the reason how a nice and enlightening conversation about music and such can get bogged down with stupid "your favorite band/album sucks" bullshit. -_-
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Written by Fat & Sassy! on 11.01.2011 at 01:39
Ah, ok. I understand the point a bit better now.
I do know this, and I think it's very unfortunate. I feel that that is a very lame attitude to have about music (or just art in general). It's pretty much the reason how a nice and enlightening conversation about music and such can get bogged down with stupid "your favorite band/album sucks" bullshit. -_-
I did get the impression that you misinterpreted what I said. hehe
Yep, I feel the exactly same way as you. Most music (note how I said "most", there are definitely numerous exceptions to that rule ) takes a semblance of talent to create. There are a few instances of bands/artists whose music isnt to my tastes, but I can still appreciate that the music took talent to make. Yeah it is annoying, and it happens very often. Too many feel like if they cant appreciate a band/album, then anyone else who appreciates is "wrong" or has "a crap taste in music". Its hard to stay out of scenarios like that, when so many seem to have that attitude. Ah well.. *shrugs*
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Written by Angelic Storm on 11.01.2011 at 01:49
There are a few instances of bands/artists whose music isnt to my tastes, but I can still appreciate that the music took talent to make. Yeah it is annoying, and it happens very often.
No, you can't. Case in point Mortician
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 11.01.2011 at 01:53 No, you can't. Case in point Mortician
I was expecting Vezzy to come out with that one!
Mortician play the same 2 or 3 chords in EVERY song. All their songs sound the same. So to me, they are not talented at all. However, if people like them, then that's fair enough, and I certainly wouldnt talk down to them, or say that their tastes "suck" just because I happen to dislike Mortician. The Sex Pistols werent very musically talented either, but I happen to love them. There's a difference between stating a dislike for a band/album, and attacking and belittling someone for liking said band/album. The two things aren't the same at all. You can slam a band without slamming an individual for liking said band.
Besides, I stated that I can appreciate talent in MOST cases where I dont like the actual music. If you looked at my previous post, you'd see that I said there are exceptions to that, as not every song/album takes talent to make. So I wasnt wrong in what I said at all.
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