Carl Berg Carl Berg
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30.09.2011 - 16:13Rating: 9
Dude, Draconian is a great band and this is a good album, but no way a 9.5 album.
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Vonpire
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30.09.2011 - 16:38Rating: 10
Written by Daniell on 30.09.2011 at 16:05
Having looked at this thread closely, I spotted one whiny snot-nosed prick who's completely impervious to ANY sensible argument about anything. I'm wondering now, maybe we should host a contest for users to find that person?
Whooo hoooo. Here are the offenses!
Typical.
Coming from where it comes don't surprise much though. Somebody really needs to get a life. I really don't know how someone like this can be part of ms staff, but not my problem though.
Written by Cassian on 30.09.2011 at 16:05
...If you dislike it then say it. If you're not a fan and you think this album sucks, just give it a low rate and walk away
They can't. They're obsessed with me. Everyone already noticed it's always the same 4 or 5 persons. Let it. It's amusing and break the monotony.
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Ahhh, another priceless thread. Insults flying all over the place...
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Behdaad DEAD
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30.09.2011 - 18:27Rating: 8
I'm totally sick of this shit.
I hate this stupid argument about new Draconian album.
All of you who involved in this stupid conversation are that type of guy who can't stand opposite ideas and opinions. That's all.
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Watching most of the users trying to act like elites, always fun.
And now, me gonna sit here and enjoy reading this battle
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Cassian
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.09.2011 at 16:09
Written by Cassian on 30.09.2011 at 16:05
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.09.2011 at 11:45
Written by Cassian on 30.09.2011 at 09:39
I prefer this review to the previous one because it is much fairer and more objective.
And why is that? Because you happen to agree with this one and disagree with the other review?
Yes, and I happen to "judge" from a Draconian fan's viewpoint. So what's wrong with that? If you dislike it then say it. If you're not a fan and you think this album sucks, just give it a low rate and walk away.
I think the whole fanboy things are ridiculous. Nonsense. You listen to Black metal, for example, and criticise Gothic-Doom metal fans for praising a Gothic-Doom album? So lame.
Just so you know, I listen to Melodic Death AND Gothic metal. I don't defend bands I dislike just because they are labelled Gothic. I dislike Poisonblack, that is. And I despise Forever Slave.
But you call this one objective and Rozz'one not-objective, just because you are a fan of the album. A negative review cn be just as objective and Rozz's certainly is objective, also seeing the fact he is a fan of the band.
Oh, did I say "not"? I just said this review is much MORE objective. Okay, let's say it's my fault for being a little prejudiced here. I merely assume that being objective means you have already considered everything surrounding the album, such as musical mature and undeniable efforts of the band, before giving it a god-forsaken 6. Anyway it's just me, and I'm not at any rate involved in this kind a childish quarrel. I don't mean you by the way.
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Is it even possible to "objectively" review music? If it is possible, I don't agree that music reviews should be done that way. A huge part of how I judge music is how it makes me feel, and I'm pretty sure any objective reviewer would have to ignore that entire criteria. A persons feelings are always subjective, yet feeling is the most important part of music.
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Written by Cassian on 30.09.2011 at 18:47
Oh, did I say "not"? I just said this review is much MORE objective. Okay, let's say it's my fault for being a little prejudiced here. I merely assume that being objective means you have already considered everything surrounding the album, such as musical mature and undeniable efforts of the band, before giving it a god-forsaken 6. Anyway it's just me, and I'm not at any rate involved in this kind a childish quarrel. I don't mean you by the way.
Given Vonpire's views, opinions and methods it's a safe bet to say this entire review is based more around his need to prioritise his own perspectives above other people than giving a well-rounded viewpoint on this particular album. Sorry, but he's done nothing but wreck his own ability to be, as they often say, "objective"
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Written by Hank Amarillo on 01.10.2011 at 00:41
Is it even possible to "objectively" review music? If it is possible, I don't agree that music reviews should be done that way. A huge part of how I judge music is how it makes me feel, and I'm pretty sure any objective reviewer would have to ignore that entire criteria. A persons feelings are always subjective, yet feeling is the most important part of music.
funny you should bring this up. i seem to recall writing an article on this very subject for reasons like, well, this review.
oh yes. here it is!.
was worried it was some drunken hallucination on my part, but lo and behold it is real.
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Vonpire
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01.10.2011 - 20:44Rating: 10
That seems completely in contradiction with some of previous posts
Now it's subjective vs objective. Wonder whats next...
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
This review is gay.
*feeds the fire*
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Vonpire
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01.10.2011 - 22:48Rating: 10
Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.10.2011 at 21:04
This review is gay.
*feeds the fire*
Lol
Serega, thank you. Glad you liked.
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hadriel
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07.10.2011 - 03:22Rating: 7
Completely disagree with your opinion of the album, but the review is decent and I'm glad you enjoy the album so much. imo, when you're writing reviews in the future, leave out the end bit that you wrote about not being ashamed of being a fan-boy and the fact that opinions on the album will differ with musical tastes. We're all aware of this and it takes away from the confidence in your opinion and makes it sound like you're defending yourself from attacking comments that hadn't even occurred yet. (could be a contributing factor to some of the subsequent flames) It just sets the review up to sound like its written more subjectively.
Looking forward to reading your next reviews.
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Written by hadriel on 07.10.2011 at 03:22 leave out the end bit that you wrote about not being ashamed of being a fan-boy and the fact that opinions on the album will differ with musical tastes. We're all aware of this and it takes away from the confidence in your opinion and makes it sound like you're defending yourself from attacking comments that hadn't even occurred yet.
Legit, that's excellent advice.
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R'Vannith ghedengi ElitePosts: 3099 |
07.10.2011 - 16:45Rating: 8
I can't help but feel that your review of this particular album also involves including a review of the band to some degree. While its obviously focused on the album itself it seems to have an undercurrent of appreciation for the band as well. I suppose it's near impossible to completely remove such from any review (that is if you are familiar with the band of course) but this review seems to dwell just a bit too much on praise for the band itself.
I do indeed think you're a 'fanboy', that is you clearly appreciate the band's music and expect very high quality releases and are rarely dissapointed. That's fine, I'd be confident in saying that any fan of a band does this at some point. What doesn't really work for me is bringing all this into a review for a specific album. Your review seems to me like half a discussion of your opinion of the album itself and half a discussion of how you personally relate to the band.
Frankly I don't think anyone cares whether you like the band or not, just let us know what's so good about this particular album to justify a rating like 9.5, that's all a review should be.
I have to say though that this review, despite all your consideration of personal liking for the band, is closer to my own opinion on the album than DerRozz's review, although that one is composed by a far more experienced hand.
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Guys, really, don't you have better things to do than arguing with Vonpire as to whether this album is a masterpiece or a rather mediocre piece of generic metal? He wrote his review. I say let him have it. I really enjoyed the 'discussion' under old Roz'garten's review for some time but it became quite annoying after a month or so. You are above that. Get on with it!
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Written by D.a.n on 12.10.2011 at 23:01 Get on with it!
I'm not speaking for anyone else, but I enjoy this kind of discussion. It's interesting to see how intense people get in their defense of a band.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.10.2011 at 02:11
Written by D.a.n on 12.10.2011 at 23:01 Get on with it!
I'm not speaking for anyone else, but I enjoy this kind of discussion. It's interesting to see how intense people get in their defense of a band.
Troy, me old mate, you are right - it is (or, rather, was) interesting to read the discussion. Sadly it became an old hat at one point as 'the parties involved' failed to come up with any new arguments (or noteworthy insults, for that matter) and have been flogging a dead horse since.
But hell - if the guys have enough time to waste I guess arguing here as good as anything. Just PM me if it gets interesting again, ok mate?
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Written by D.a.n on 14.10.2011 at 20:44 Just PM me if it gets interesting again, ok mate?
haha I'll keep you posted if something happens, but like yesterday's news this review thread is all but forgotten.
Just wait for the new Metallica/Megadeth albums to be reviewed. Shit will really hit the fan.
(Opeth's Heritage review thread was good too.)
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.10.2011 at 20:47
Written by D.a.n on 14.10.2011 at 20:44 Just PM me if it gets interesting again, ok mate?
haha I'll keep you posted if something happens, but like yesterday's news this review thread is all but forgotten.
Just wait for the new Metallica/Megadeth albums to be reviewed. Shit will really hit the fan.
(Opeth's Heritage review thread was good too.)
Considering how shitty Metallica's newest is prolly going to be, I don't think anyone will complain when Bitter/Daniel/you/Rozz slam it with a 3 or so.
But, yeah, I can't wait for Megadeth. The bitching is probably going to be the only good thing that album does.
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Written by Slayer666 on 14.10.2011 at 20:50 I don't think anyone will complain
Oh dear, you must not be familiar with Metallica fanboys. Sure a majority of us will label it shit and write it off...but the fanboys, man. They won't drop the argument that Metallica is the best band ever, everything they touch is gold, we're close-minded, why do we even bother reviewing it if we aren't going to give it a perfect 10, etc.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.10.2011 at 20:52
Written by Slayer666 on 14.10.2011 at 20:50 I don't think anyone will complain
Oh dear, you must not be familiar with Metallica fanboys. Sure a majority of us will label it shit and write it off...but the fanboys, man. They won't drop the argument that Metallica is the best band ever, everything they touch is gold, we're close-minded, why do we even bother reviewing it if we aren't going to give it a perfect 10, etc.
>_<
I have a nasty cold, my brain is working with about 10% of its capacity, thus it slipped my mind it's Meta-fucking-llica we're talking here. Scratch what I said.
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Written by Slayer666 on 14.10.2011 at 20:55
I have a nasty cold, my brain is working with about 10% of its capacity, thus it slipped my mind it's Meta-fucking-llica we're talking here. Scratch what I said.
I remember when I invited my best friend and another pal to my house a week ago. This pal wouldn't stop asking me for some metallica in my stereo and I just flat out told him "I only have their debut in my pc... and I don't eally listen to it".
Seriously, every single conversation that we had was connected somehow with this luine "yeah.... so can we listen to master of puppets now?"
Fuck that shit dude. It's my house
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Written by Daniell on 30.09.2011 at 10:32
But don't worry, you havent beaten [URL=http://metalstorm.net/pub/review.php?review_id=24]this review[/URL] in terms of praise
So that's where Troy got his Deathday 666 review from.
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Written by [user id=111774] on 15.10.2011 at 05:05 So that's where Troy got his Deathday 666 review from.
Merely a coincidence, I assure you.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 15.10.2011 at 05:31 Merely a coincidence, I assure you.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. It is simply a too magnificant work of art for me to even judge reviews of it.
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Vonpire
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15.10.2011 - 20:40Rating: 10
This review thread isn't forgotten. It's only getting full of o.t.
I knew you guys would miss me xD
Still 8.36 avg , closer to my 9.5 than the 6 of derozen.
yeah I win! Lol
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Written by Vonpire on 15.10.2011 at 20:40 yeah I win! Lol
According to Drew Carey, you actually lose.
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Actually I'd say Der wins because he doesn't care whether or not he" wins" or "loses" and also because he realises you're a bit of a loser if you go about proclaiming your victory ;]
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