Ernis 狼獾
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Thanks for the review, Baz. I think you found the best possible rating. I agree that it does sound good but it certainly is overrated because of the hype created during those eight years. I found Tyr's "Ragnarök" more polyphonic and spellbinding than "The Sons of Winter and Stars"... yep... lots of cheese... even more than in Nightwish...
Written by opeth771 on 22.10.2012 at 23:14
An average score is supposed to be an average score which in this case is 8.7 or 8.8 if you round it. 7.5 doesn't make any sense but I agree with the rest of the review
It amazes me that so many people still think that the average score is calculated by using the ratings for performance, songwriting, originality and production. Example: the performance is good, the songwriting is professional, the music is original and the production is crystal-clear but the album and music just DO NOT stand out enough to deserve a 10 even though the four parameters qualify for a 10. You really thought reviewers take out their calculators when they've finished writing?
Written by [user id=109246] on 22.10.2012 at 21:33
Then you're deaf... Sorry to say that.
Let's say you like Megan Fox and I like Keira Knightley... will you say I'm blind just because I prefer Keira Knightley and not Megan Fox?
Other than that... how come this thread's got five pages? Most of it probably some off-topic drama... guys, spend more time outside!
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Written by Ernis on 25.10.2012 at 19:59
Let's say you like Megan Fox and I like Keira Knightley... will you say I'm blind just because I prefer Keira Knightley and not Megan Fox?
You must be blind if you prefer Keira Knightly. Wayyy too skinny.
This album did feel way too short and incomplete. like having a cheesy burger with no fries and coke, I'm not completely satisfied. Plus the whole 2 album release thing feels like a cash grab to me.
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Written by Daniell on 25.10.2012 at 16:26
Written by Dark Cornatus on 25.10.2012 at 03:21
I can't agree with such a strong statement. I found Wintersun's debut quite decent, so I rated it with a 7, whereas this one is a bit of a letdown, so I gave it a 6. In my opinion it's still not as bad as some people imply, but it's undeserving of the hype that surrounds it. I suppose many people are seduced by the rich sound of the album, and the technical prowess of the musicians. They indeed are impressive, but they can't hide the fact that the songs aren't as good as the band's performance.
agree, but i have to add that he focused in the wrong direction, layering , mixing and production more than songwriting ,composing and instruments , and that is a big flaw and i think that 8 years made him overworked the album not adding to it.
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26.10.2012 - 22:41Rating: 3
By Italics logic we should all listen to pop instead of metal because it is more popular, therefore better.
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Written by essbee on 26.10.2012 at 22:41
By Italics logic we should all listen to pop instead of metal because it is more popular, therefore better.
Exactly. He never did explain that particular argument (or any of his arguments really).
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Written by [user id=4365] on 26.10.2012 at 22:57 Exactly. He never did explain that particular argument (or any of his arguments really).
Why would he bother? He clearly beat you!
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Written by X-Ray Rod on 24.10.2012 at 23:17
He's not a musician... so what?
So if you want to...Let's say: Give your thoughts about a movie. You have to be a director, right? Or at least have quite some experience in the whole movie industry, right?
Because that's what you are saying... and It's retarded. He can say whatever he wants about any band... and so can you! I alsoI don't remember reading anywhere that he claimed he was a "know-it-all" so the "practice what you preach" argument is not really valid here.
Also... Man, you must have some sad inferiority problems if you dismiss someone's opinion just because of a band they listen to.
Yes...but when you have experience, then your opinion tends to start to have more value, and a stronger basis. Everyone is allowed to their own opinion on something.
Regarding the review, through listening to one song, I almost agree with the main idea of the review. It seems that there are so many different things going on, but it seems to lack many strong hooks and great songwriting, which was exhibited on the first one. This feels like it was written with a few boring ideas, then about 50 other tracks thrown on top of it to fill out sound.
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Written by Grody2themax on 27.10.2012 at 02:31 Yes...but when you have experience, then your opinion tends to start to have more value, and a stronger basis. Everyone is allowed to their own opinion on something.
That's pretty obvious... I just start to have problems when people imply that the only way to have an opinion about art is if you are an artist yourself. Which is by all means: Bullshit.
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Written by X-Ray Rod on 27.10.2012 at 02:34
Written by Grody2themax on 27.10.2012 at 02:31 Yes...but when you have experience, then your opinion tends to start to have more value, and a stronger basis. Everyone is allowed to their own opinion on something.
That's pretty obvious... I just have problem when people imply that the only way to have an opinion about art is if you are an artist yourself. Which by all means: Bullshit.
Agreed, being a musician can actually work against your favor in forming opinions. For example, you can say, "bebop is the most complex form of music, look at all of the music theory behind their work, everything else is pale in comparison", and then they could go on to try to force themselves to like grandpa jazz. In this very common case, the musician is misguided not just in music, but in life in general. He/she probably has a terrible opinion on music.
I have a problem when non musicians imply that every musician is pretentious. I'm not accusing you of this though.
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Written by Grody2themax on 27.10.2012 at 02:46
Agreed, being a musician can actually work against your favor in forming opinions.
A good example of that is when bands tell everyone they play x genre... where said genre couldn't be more off.
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Written by X-Ray Rod on 27.10.2012 at 02:52
A good example of that is when bands tell everyone they play x genre... where said genre couldn't be more off.
Well, sort of agreed. When a band sets out to write x genre, and plays just that, it can sound pretty boring a lot of times. Opeth might be a good example of what you brought up, but they happen to have arguably one of the most authentic sounds in metal.
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Written by Grody2themax on 27.10.2012 at 03:09 Well, sort of agreed. When a band sets out to write x genre, and says they play it, it can sound pretty boring a lot of times. Opeth might be a good example of this, but they happen to have arguably one of the most authentic sounds in metal.
I was thinking more about bands like Dissection who said their last album was Black Metal and Children Of Bodom said the same thing at some point... Or Bring Me The Horizon that they played grindcore.
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Written by X-Ray Rod on 27.10.2012 at 03:11
Written by Grody2themax on 27.10.2012 at 03:09 Well, sort of agreed. When a band sets out to write x genre, and says they play it, it can sound pretty boring a lot of times. Opeth might be a good example of this, but they happen to have arguably one of the most authentic sounds in metal.
I was thinking more about bands like Dissection who said their last album was Black Metal and Children Of Bodom said the same thing at some point... Or Bring Me The Horizon that they played grindcore.
Children of Bodom was sort of black metal influenced at one point imo, and I think they always said they would classify themselves as just metal. But I'd rather not get into a stupid argument over that lol.
My point is that the last part of your statement is not of any value to this discussion because BMTH are not musicians.
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Parasomnia
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27.10.2012 - 09:45Rating: 8
Personally, I waited until I'd listened to the whole album 9 or 10 times through to say if I liked it or not. Just like any extremely complex/layered music, it takes a long time for everything to sink in and for the melodies to start to catch.. but once they do, it's hard to stop listening. Excited for part 2, especially "The Way of the Fire."
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27.10.2012 - 17:57Rating: 7
Written by Parasomnia on 27.10.2012 at 09:45
Personally, I waited until I'd listened to the whole album 9 or 10 times through to say if I liked it or not. Just like any extremely complex/layered music, it takes a long time for everything to sink in and for the melodies to start to catch.. but once they do, it's hard to stop listening. Excited for part 2, especially "The Way of the Fire."
Yeah, I hope that album will have more of the technical aspect of Wintersun everybody was waiting for. Where are the lightning-speed solos??
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Wintersun should've stuck to being a generic Melodeath band with crazy shdredding. Adding 10293102930 layers of synth drawn in piano roll doesn't make the material anymore inspired. Jari should first learn to compose outside the cliche 'epic' metal sound. In the end, the effort seems pointless.
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31.10.2012 - 14:15Rating: 6
I have finished listening to this so called great creation of the decade for the fifth time to really find out whether there is anything really great lying underneath which is not audible to a common music lover. As the critic said, it is true, it is really "complex" and is good for those who are learning to create a symphony in heavy metal one day... I don't know , maybe I will be placing myself among those stupid listeners who doesn't know the complex sides of music, but I don't mind coz I am not going to listen to it one more time bcos all the previous 5 times I didn't really get that "craving" for one more time. This is purely my opinion and pls do not fight with me over this, you music geniuses out there.
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Despite of all which have been written on this album, I am very curious (and a bit of concerns) about a live performance with these songs.
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Kuroboshi
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01.12.2012 - 15:34Rating: 7
A bit too bombastic for petit moi. I've always enjoyed Jari's voice though, and I look forward to the day when I can hear the WHOLE album.
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Written by Ernis on 27.10.2012 at 01:36
Written by EW on 26.10.2012 at 06:22
You must be blind if you prefer Keira Knightly. Wayyy too skinny.
I like Keira because .... everything about her is so feminine
Seriously?
she has no breasts or other curves
she is the perfect example of a woman that starved away all gender indications outside the crotch area
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Keira Knightly is the unattractive Natalie Portman.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 01.12.2012 at 16:11 Keira Knightly is the unattractive Natalie Portman.
THANK YOU!
That needed to be said.
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KK is indeed the unacttractive NP
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Azarath Free as a.. Fish
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They're both attractive, only Natalie is more so.
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26.12.2012 - 17:45Rating: 10
Fanboy remarks and other subjects aside, this is the metal album of 2012 - and one hell of a fucking sequel to the debut.
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henrihell93
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I actually asked the Kai Hahto what takes so long (back in 2009) and he told me that the computers keep crashing because of the number of tracks on the songs. There's up to 1600 tracks in a song on that album. That's what took so long.
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And someone else believes they have been spouting about the computers
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03.03.2013 - 01:46Rating: 6
Written by henrihell93 on 10.01.2013 at 22:50
I actually asked the Kai Hahto what takes so long (back in 2009) and he told me that the computers keep crashing because of the number of tracks on the songs. There's up to 1600 tracks in a song on that album. That's what took so long.
And thats why this album sounds so shitty. No song will sound good with 1600 tracks on it, thats just straight clutter. They should have deleted some tracks instead of getting new computers and maybe the album wouldve sounded better, cleaner and more refined. Less is more sometimes.
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29.07.2013 - 00:49Rating: 10
Written by Boxcar Willy on 25.10.2012 at 06:20
Listened to it one more time ( ) and almost want to drop my rating to a 4, I honestly can't believe it took him 8 years to make this. It's disappointing to me, and I wasn't even expecting much.
I would just like to point out that only in recent years did the appropriate releases of certain 64-bit VSTs become available (these are virtual synthesizers used in DAWs). Information on this was on the Wintersun official webpage. Jari needed these in order to finish creating and mixing the album. I'm not devaluing your opinion, but just wanted to make it known that part of the reason it took so long to make was because of software release dates.
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Vombatus Potorro
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Even if it took him a year or two to make this is long considering how bad the mix and orchestrations are. I still remember an interview (I think it was in Bloodstock) where Jari stated he spent 3 years learning how to use the programs (talk about a slow learner...).
Anyway, I never cared for the band as generic melodeath/extremepower/whatevercrapitis isn't my thing.... so yeah, whatever.
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