Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
For me this is the last album by the True Kings Of Cheese I could stand. Although the lyrics are cheesy as hell, they never annoyed me and still don't annoy me, whereas from the Sign Of The Hammer until now the cheese oozing lyrics annoy the hell out of me and their music also got worse with every single release resulting into the atrocious album they dared to release in 2007.
I doi agree with your assessment of Black Arrow, this one shows what an average (at best) bass player Joey DeMaio actually is. And due to this horrendous song the album gets a 7 from me at most.
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Darkside Momo Retired ElitePosts: 9089 |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.07.2007 at 15:25
This is by far Manowar's best album. A true classic. I would rate it 9.5 I think.
After this album Manowar only went downhill to hit rock bottom with this year's release.
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.04.2009 at 01:27
For me this is the last album by the True Kings Of Cheese I could stand. Although the lyrics are cheesy as hell, they never annoyed me and still don't annoy me, whereas from the Sign Of The Hammer until now the cheese oozing lyrics annoy the hell out of me and their music also got worse with every single release resulting into the atrocious album they dared to release in 2007.
I doi agree with your assessment of Black Arrow, this one shows what an average (at best) bass player Joey DeMaio actually is. And due to this horrendous song the album gets a 7 from me at most.
Gotcha!
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Darkside Momo on 21.04.2009 at 01:56
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.07.2007 at 15:25
This is by far Manowar's best album. A true classic. I would rate it 9.5 I think.
After this album Manowar only went downhill to hit rock bottom with this year's release.
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.04.2009 at 01:27
For me this is the last album by the True Kings Of Cheese I could stand. Although the lyrics are cheesy as hell, they never annoyed me and still don't annoy me, whereas from the Sign Of The Hammer until now the cheese oozing lyrics annoy the hell out of me and their music also got worse with every single release resulting into the atrocious album they dared to release in 2007.
I doi agree with your assessment of Black Arrow, this one shows what an average (at best) bass player Joey DeMaio actually is. And due to this horrendous song the album gets a 7 from me at most.
Gotcha!
what about two years of extra alcohol abuse can do to an old man. Btw, where did find that?
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Yesterday is dead and gone, tomorrow is out of sight
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Lord_Regnier
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Apart from the rating, both statements are almost similar, imo. They go in the same direction.
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jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life StaffPosts: 6659 |
Blood Of My Enemies is the single Manowar song I can stand and honestly, only because of the quite good Edge Of Sanity cover....
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quirin
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21.04.2009 - 03:13Rating: 9
As for me, I was a proud Manowar fan (and still am, though their latest Odin bullshit hurts me deep).
But even a fan can agree there are cheesy lyrics and crap production, so we're cool. Nevertheless, it remains an all-time classic, for it has had a great impact on the metal scene at the time.
If you heard it in 2009 for the first time, maybe it sounded soo cheesy because many other bands thought it was so cool they just had to imitate. And if you find so few Manowar covers around, it's mostly because noone can match their performance and unique style.
You know, if I was to rate this one 5.5, I would have to give Black Sab's Paranoïd a 2! ...Yeah, matter of taste...
By the way, Manowar actually created the term True Metal. So it's a bit like they've got the official licence.
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Lord_Regnier
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Written by quirin on 21.04.2009 at 03:13
And if you find so few Manowar covers around, it's mostly because noone can match their performance and unique style.
By the way, Manowar actually created the term True Metal. So it's a bit like they've got the official licence.
Any below average metal band can cover Manowar songs easily. Their music is basic, simple and slow. There's nothing hard to play. But there's no point and no challenge for bands who can play stuff that is a hundred times more complex, technical and fast than anything Manowar have ever done in covering Manowar songs. The only 'challenge' for them would be to stay awake until the end of the song and not fall asleep on their instruments out of boredom.
Manowar might have created the term and believe they are true, it doesn't change the fact that what they play is basically hard rock disguised under a weighty sound. And anyone with a minimum of common sense can see Manowar are commercial posers. There are many other examples, of course, but just give a look at what Manowar are doing now, with this song in 15 languages, only to break a record no serious metal band would ever care for. No true metal band would spend its time on a pure marketing operation like that. It's not art but business.
Manowar's supposed trueness is a huge marketing operation, nothing more. Don't forget Manowar is all image no substance.
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quirin
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21.04.2009 - 13:00Rating: 9
Written by Lord_Regnier on 21.04.2009 at 03:25
Any below average metal band can cover Manowar songs easily. Their music is basic, simple and slow. There's nothing hard to play. But there's no point and no challenge for bands who can play stuff that is a hundred times more complex, technical and fast than anything Manowar have ever done in covering Manowar songs. The only 'challenge' for them would be to stay awake until the end of the song and not fall asleep on their instruments out of boredom.
Manowar might have created the term and believe they are true, it doesn't change the fact that what they play is basically hard rock disguised under a weighty sound. And anyone with a minimum of common sense can see Manowar are commercial posers. There are many other examples, of course, but just give a look at what Manowar are doing now, with this song in 15 languages, only to break a record no serious metal band would ever care for. No true metal band would spend its time on a pure marketing operation like that. It's not art but business.
Manowar's supposed trueness is a huge marketing operation, nothing more. Don't forget Manowar is all image no substance.
Ok, maybe there's no point in arguing much further ; we'll just keep apprehending this band differently, no matter what.
For example what you see as "basic, simple and slow" is to me the very cornerstone of Metal, the pure heavy palm mute and almighty powerchord. And in all these years, I never came across anyone singing like Eric Adams, nor can I think of anyone having a more aggressive bass play than Joe Demaio's. Sure, the songs are easy (except for Shankle's solos, of course), but it's part of their art to write wonderful songs with only three chords and a couple of notes.
(I can feel we disagree again...) I know your words are true, especially concerning Manowar's actual commercial policy (not to mention fucking Magic Circle's!). But 1983 was a long time ago, and things were different. Back in the day, there's no doubt they meant all they said, down to the letter.
Anyway... As said above, I'm afraid we are wasting both our time on this conversation. But the facts remain that :
- I gave up listening to Manowar's music while driving my car - it was far too dangerous for everyone ;
- When I walk through cities with Manowar in my earphones, the world would better watch out and stand out of my way ;
- My neighbours just love Manowar playing through my Twin 200W Tower Speakers of Death (tm).
I was just a bit disappointed by the poor rating you gave this beautiful album, and I felt like I couldn't just shut up. But at the end of the day, I don't really care wether everybody think it's pure shit.
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Lord_Regnier
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@Quirin: Lets say we respectfully disagree.
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Darkside Momo Retired ElitePosts: 9089 |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.04.2009 at 02:12
Written by Darkside Momo on 21.04.2009 at 01:56
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.07.2007 at 15:25
This is by far Manowar's best album. A true classic. I would rate it 9.5 I think.
After this album Manowar only went downhill to hit rock bottom with this year's release.
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.04.2009 at 01:27
For me this is the last album by the True Kings Of Cheese I could stand. Although the lyrics are cheesy as hell, they never annoyed me and still don't annoy me, whereas from the Sign Of The Hammer until now the cheese oozing lyrics annoy the hell out of me and their music also got worse with every single release resulting into the atrocious album they dared to release in 2007.
I doi agree with your assessment of Black Arrow, this one shows what an average (at best) bass player Joey DeMaio actually is. And due to this horrendous song the album gets a 7 from me at most.
Gotcha!
what about two years of extra alcohol abuse can do to an old man. Btw, where did find that?
The first one is a comment on the first review (yep, this album has 2 reviews)
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Ellrohir Heaven Knight
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I dont think this album is that bad...about 7.5 from me
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Joey Jo Jo Piece of shit
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While I wrote a review of the album with nicer things said and a higher rating.... I have to agree with a lot of the things you're saying about Manowar. They're pretty much a real life Spinal Tap. Actually, they released a few DVDs that chronicle their day to day life while touring. I'll just say this; they got into an accident on the road with a moose. The bus got totaled but everyone on board was fine. While looking at the damaged bus, I think its Joey that says "The powers of metal protected us today". Thats how the doc ends.
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BloodFireDeath
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Written by Lord_Regnier on 21.04.2009 at 03:25
Written by quirin on 21.04.2009 at 03:13
And if you find so few Manowar covers around, it's mostly because noone can match their performance and unique style.
By the way, Manowar actually created the term True Metal. So it's a bit like they've got the official licence.
Any below average metal band can cover Manowar songs easily. Their music is basic, simple and slow. There's nothing hard to play. But there's no point and no challenge for bands who can play stuff that is a hundred times more complex, technical and fast than anything Manowar have ever done in covering Manowar songs. The only 'challenge' for them would be to stay awake until the end of the song and not fall asleep on their instruments out of boredom.
Manowar might have created the term and believe they are true, it doesn't change the fact that what they play is basically hard rock disguised under a weighty sound. And anyone with a minimum of common sense can see Manowar are commercial posers. There are many other examples, of course, but just give a look at what Manowar are doing now, with this song in 15 languages, only to break a record no serious metal band would ever care for. No true metal band would spend its time on a pure marketing operation like that. It's not art but business.
Manowar's supposed trueness is a huge marketing operation, nothing more. Don't forget Manowar is all image no substance.
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I disagree. They write consistent songs like anyone else who is in popular music. So what if they do it to make money. Who cares. I love their music and I have fun with it.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
Did someone just quote Reigner from 2009? Good luck getting a response...
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Valentin B Iconoclast
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The main problems with this album are the pace, midpaced mostly, only Kill With Power is actually a fast song, one of the most furious songs Manowar ever will do.
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