Written by abysss on 15.06.2018 at 16:59

I'm actually disturbed by the amount of support Floor gets regarding Nightwish. I discovered Nightwish somewhere after they released the Bless The Child album. It was AWESOME!! I felt in love with them immediately, then the album Once came out and I was really hooked, I loved everything they ever done, from Angels Fall First to Once, and not just because of Tarja. These albums were a masterpiece, they all were, both, vocally and instrumentally. And there came the shock...

And then came Anette, I wasn't happy, but I got slowly used to it. ...And then came Floor. I mean, I listened to After Forever in the past and apart from a very select few songs I was pretty bored with the whole band and her voice... it just neverendingly dragged, if that's even a word. Then they released this last album, which is not that bad, but... BUT. I don't get it. Why Floor?? why are Nightwish so happy with her? And why Nightwish fans are crazy about her that much as well? I feel like the word really has gone mad under this aspect and I just don't get it, WHY?!

Musically wise they changed from Special and epic to above mediocre at it's best.... And not just because of Floor. Their whole music lost dynamism and Marco is the only thing left that saves the band at this point, IMO.

I did didcover band after Nemo video, but my mate hade their debut, I spinned it, this band this album is brilian, back to the roots as old one, as 1th one, but you can see musicians are older. I never liked Anette era and mid Tarja so much, yes good metal but those are not a esential albums, like this and opener.

Vote 10 or create something better, maggots!

Written by screenshot on 12.11.2018 at 01:18

Vote 10 or create something better, maggots!

We don't have to create something better. A lot of bands already did that for us... And that includes Nightwish themselves.

Written by tominator on 12.11.2018 at 02:04

We don't have to create something better. A lot of bands already did that for us... And that includes Nightwish themselves.

and that Lot might be ...... ?

Written by screenshot on 13.11.2018 at 01:55

and that Lot might be ...... ?

Therion with Theli, Vovin, Lemuria, Sirius B, and even Gothic Kabbalah
Haggard with Eppur Si Muove and Awaking The Centuries
After Forever with Decipher, Prison Of Desire and the self-titled
Todesbonden with Sleep Now, Quiet Forest
Legenda Aurea with Sedna and Ellipsis
Kamelot with Karma, Epica, and The Black Halo
Dreams Of Sanity with Masquerade and The Game
Epica with The Phantom Agony and Consign To Oblivion
Nightwish themselves with Oceanborn and Wishmaster

That's around 20 albums that come to mind from someone who doesn't even really care much for symphonic stuff and while only a few of those albums are truly great (Dreams Of Sanity FTW), they are all leagues better than Endless Forms. Heck, Tuomas' solo duck-opera is a million times better than Nightwish's later albums.

P.S. I really can't recommend Dreams of Sanity's The Game highly enough. It's dark, melancholy and utterly beautiful female-fronted metal perfection, so do yourself a favor and check it out

Add to the excellent list from Metren others like:

Tristania - Beyond The Veil
Beyond The Bridge - The Old Man And The Spirit
Winds - The Imaginary Direction Of Time, Reflections Of The I and Prominence And Demise (so basically all their albums...)
Little dead Bertha - Age of Silence
Ancient Bards - A New Dawn Ending, Soulless Child, The Alliance Of The Kings

And a bunch of Avantasia and Lacrimosa records...

Nightwish wise: both albums Metren mentioned as well as Once and Century Child.

I'm sure there are probably many more that I missed.

So you are basically trying to compare power metal to gothic metal

Written by screenshot on 13.11.2018 at 18:49

So you are basically trying to compare power metal to gothic metal

Nah, we're comparing symphonic metal to symphonic metal.

Why are you doing it under power metal then?

Written by screenshot on 16.11.2018 at 23:58

Why are you doing it under power metal then?

The last (symphonic) power metal album by Nightwish was Wishmaster, everything after that is pretty straightforward symphonic metal with minimal to no power metal elements. Comparisons to Therion, After Forever, Epica are perfectly appropriate.

Also, here's your original statement:

Written by screenshot on 12.11.2018 at 01:18

Vote 10 or create something better, maggots!

Nothing in there about creating something that is 100% the same genre and sound-wise identical, you simply asked for something better. You've been given 20+ symphonic metal albums that are immensely better than this forgettable album. Not that anyone needs to point out or let alone create something better than EFMB to have the right to rate it less than a 10.

I've never understood the "can you do better" argument and I never will, it is such a silly way to try and make a point or establish a position tbh.

Written by screenshot on 16.11.2018 at 23:58

Why are you doing it under power metal then?

Nightwish has always been at its core a symphonic metal band. That has been the constant factor throughout the years. Sometimes they combined that with power metal elements and other times they didn't, which is totally fine.

So comparing them to other symphonic metal bands makes absolute sense. Whether those combine those symphonic elements with gothic elements or death metal elements, or progressive elements,... doesn't matter. All those bands and albums fall under the category of symphonic metal.

Also, something tells me you only checked the first band on the list I gave you, because bands like Ancient Bards and Avantasia are symphonic power metal aka exactly the same thing as EFMB is labeled... so even if you want to be pedantic about the genre label, there are still multiple bands with better albums than this one. The two I just mentioned and the ones Metren mentioned like: Kamelot and Legenda Aurea.

I did make it through the whole record but it's not good. I like only 1 song "My Walden" and "The Eyes Of Sharbat Gula" although it's just a simple atmospheric instrumental while the rest of the songs were just okay songs, and definitely by Nightwish standards (although I am the farthest from being a Nightwish fan) it's a mediocre album.

This is a very good album, despite the scientific lyrics. Now I usually like science lyrics, but not when it focuses on evolution and Darwin and that stuff I really don't care about. But overall, this is my favourite Nightwish album alongside Once. Mostly very enjoyable songs, and I very much enjoy the epic too. But... in the end, I am no Nightwish fan, and I believe they are the most overrated of symphonic bands.

Very hit and miss, mostly misses though. The Greatest Show on Earth is a great great song (Nightwish best) and it's a great thing they are using at closing song on their concerts. Weak Fantasy is also a favourite of mine along with the title track.

It's never really worth it to wade through song after song of meh to get to the absolutely incredible final 30 minutes (only if the instrumentals of those last two songs, closer is so perfect musically that the unremarkable vocal/spoken parts aren't even worth mentioning).

The album is painfully generic at times. The vocal style for the most part is just not fitting the music, which is a damn shame. I feel like Anette would fit here perfectly, but that's another story. That being said, there are good songs on this album for sure. I really like My Walden, Elan, Alpenglow.