Introspekrieg Totemic Lust ElitePosts: 2749 |
You can never be too harsh in a review... as long as you are giving valid reasons like you have done (nice comparisons). It's always refreshing to hear a different perspective.
"It neither has the catchiness and energy a thrash metal song should, nor the cold, evil, morbid atmosphere a black metal song should."
So I guess that adds to the originality?
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Ellrohir Heaven Knight
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I am quite into black metal and found nothing very special about Immortal either
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Slayer666
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Written by Introspekrieg on 28.09.2009 at 10:16
"It neither has the catchiness and energy a thrash metal song should, nor the cold, evil, morbid atmosphere a black metal song should."
So I guess that adds to the originality?
Hehe, something like that, I suppose...
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Baz Anderson StaffPosts: 13262 |
And so at 15 years of age, and by the sounds of it only just started to listen to Immortal - you write this as if you are some expert on the band.
It gets to me when people try to shake things up and re-write history... "At The Heart Of Winter" not a black metal album? You're having a laugh.
Just because it doesn't sound exactly like "In The Nightside Eclipse" or "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" doesn't make it not a black metal album.
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Dangerboner Lactation Cnslt
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28.09.2009 - 13:30Rating: 9
At the Heart of Winter isn't their thrashiest album - Damned in Black is. But regardless, this album deserves a much higher rating. Also, the fact that you say that the mid-tempo of it makes it thrash is also concerning because black metal isn't about blast beats.
Weakest effort of the band? No way.
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Slayer666
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Written by Baz Anderson on 28.09.2009 at 13:22
And so at 15 years of age, and by the sounds of it only just started to listen to Immortal - you write this as if you are some expert on the band.
I know almost all of their work, I didn't start liestening to them just now. I said, I never liked it too much. And I was trying really hard to.
In fact, one of the first metal songs I've ever heard would be "Grim And Frostbitten Kingdoms" from Battles In The North.
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It gets to me when people try to shake things up and re-write history... "At The Heart Of Winter" not a black metal album? You're having a laugh.
Just because it doesn't sound exactly like "In The Nightside Eclipse" or "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" doesn't make it not a black metal album.
OK, so what is it that makes this a black metal album? Enlighten me.
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Baz Anderson StaffPosts: 13262 |
Written by Slayer666 on 28.09.2009 at 14:04
OK, so what is it that makes this a black metal album? Enlighten me.
No, I won't. Maybe someone else will, but I'm not going to bother when it comes to stupid things like this.
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Dangerboner Lactation Cnslt
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28.09.2009 - 15:16Rating: 9
Written by Slayer666 on 28.09.2009 at 14:04
OK, so what is it that makes this a black metal album? Enlighten me.
Imagery, lyrics, sound, music style, pretty much everything...
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
28.09.2009 - 16:47Rating: 9
This album is black metal (with scattered thrash influences), but the explanation in your review was nullified by the fact that you came in like an elitist and expected to hear A Blaze in the Northern Sky. Look to Blasphemy's Fallen Angel of Doom (1990), which mixes grind and black metal.
Just because a black metal band plays music with influences from another genre doesn't mean it isn't "tr00".
Not that I'm much older than you, but I've had more time to experiment with black metal. Other bands you should have listened to/familiarized yourself with before judging these stalwarts with the "false" label: Absu, Anaal Nathrakh, Deströyer 666, Dissection, Sarcófago, Dark Medieval Times-era Satyricon... All of these bands are considered by most accounts to be black metal, yet they are all influenced (in some cases heavily) by other genres.
And as pyroleprechaun stated, black metal is about the image of the band, the lyrical content, the sound of the music, and composition. Immortal are a black metal outfit by all accounts, and this album is no exception.
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Uirapuru Liver Failure
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One of their best album imo! And the thrash features are not that evident as in some of their other albums.
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Slayer666
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Written by Baz Anderson on 28.09.2009 at 15:01
Written by Slayer666 on 28.09.2009 at 14:04
OK, so what is it that makes this a black metal album? Enlighten me.
No, I won't. Maybe someone else will, but I'm not going to bother when it comes to stupid things like this.
Wow. Truly impressive... I admire your talent at showing-off. Well done, really majestic. How do you do it?
@TheKillJoy
Yes, I understand what you're saying, but it is my opinion that this album has been influenced by thrash far too much. Image and lyrics are not the only things that determine a genre of a band/album, and this one has musicaly lost a great deal of what makes a BM release.
And I can't belive that people like this album so much! What do you see in it? Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism, Sons of Northren Darkness, Battles in The North , all this kicks At The Heart of Winter's ass so much it's uncomparable.
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Silent Creeper Senile Veteran
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28.09.2009 - 21:48Rating: 10
Strange, you say that you don't like Immortal... That's ok, I can respect that even though I really like them. And you call that album their weakest effort... Ok, I can respect that too, even if I think that you are terribly, terribly wrong... But still you rated it with 7,5... That means that you would give all their other albums at least 8 and 8.5 or even more (which means "very good", near brilliant by Metalstorm standards)... But you still don't like them? I know some people say that review is more important than final rating, but I disagree... Rate albums that final rating will fit with the whole review or don't rate them at all and just give it N/A (which I noticed is quite popular currently)... And you should probably lower your obviously extremly high standards...
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Slayer666
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Written by Silent Creeper on 28.09.2009 at 21:48
Strange, you say that you don't like Immortal... That's ok, I can respect that even though I really like them. And you call that album their weakest effort... Ok, I can respect that too, even if I think that you are terribly, terribly wrong... But still you rated it with 7,5... That means that you would give all their other albums at least 8 and 8.5 or even more (which means "very good", near brilliant by Metalstorm standards)... But you still don't like them? I know some people say that review is more important than final rating, but I disagree... Rate albums that final rating will fit with the whole review or don't rate them at all and just give it N/A (which I noticed is quite popular currently)... And you should probably lower your obviously extremly high standards...
The final rating is the final result of the four ratings ie. (Performane + Songwriting + Originality + Production) /4. That's how I do it. And in this part I try to be as less subjective as possilbe, although being completely objective is immposible.
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X-Ray Rod Skandino StaffPosts: 18439 |
29.09.2009 - 13:10Rating: 9
I can respect the review since the dude put some good points... And also Immortal isn't a band I'm feel very close to..
But saying that this album ain't BM is like this dude saying that it's not wood:
Everyone to each own I guess, But I still say it's very strange to say the least to call this album "not BM,"...
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Introspekrieg Totemic Lust ElitePosts: 2749 |
Oh boy... genre defining battles
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lord artan
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29.09.2009 - 20:31Rating: 8
I LOVE THIS ALBUM
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iMorphball
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30.09.2009 - 01:35Rating: 7
Great album! How is this not Black Metal!? This album has everything that makes a black metal album good!
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Wow, stop writing reviews for a few years kid. The editor of Decibel magazine said not too long ago that when he first heard Focus by Cynic during the early nineties he hated it and dismissed the band because of the weird vocals. He then proceeded to comment on what an idiot he was for not realizing the majesty of that album. I think, oneday, you will look back on this album and think the same thing. There have been so many metal bands that I didn't like on the first or even fifth listen but I love now. As you get older and delve deeper into metal your tastes will expand and mature, as well as how you formulate your opinions.
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Motionless
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That happens when you rate an album which is considered a masterpiece from the first day of its release with a poor 7.5. The genre and the influences are irrelevant. In fact the review is irrelevant. The album is a masterpiece (although not a huge fan of immortal either)
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Motionless
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By the way I saw them live at Rockwave festival in Athens 1998 touring for the album. They were amazing at the live. The corpsepaint was allover the place because of the 40 degrees oC.LOL
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Slayer666
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Written by Motionless on 01.10.2009 at 18:35
That happens when you rate an album which is considered a masterpiece from the first day of its release with a poor 7.5. The genre and the influences are irrelevant. In fact the review is irrelevant. The album is a masterpiece (although not a huge fan of immortal either)
Can you please explain why? What is so good about it? I just don't get it. Every, and I mean every Immortal's release beats this one, the way I see it.
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AiwiAstwihad AiryanaKhvarenah
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What an unfair rating! I'm not saying that from an expert's perspective for i'm not. Just find this album quite good.
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Motionless
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Written by Slayer666 on 01.10.2009 at 22:13
Written by Motionless on 01.10.2009 at 18:35
That happens when you rate an album which is considered a masterpiece from the first day of its release with a poor 7.5. The genre and the influences are irrelevant. In fact the review is irrelevant. The album is a masterpiece (although not a huge fan of immortal either)
Can you please explain why? What is so good about it? I just don't get it. Every, and I mean every Immortal's release beats this one, the way I see it.
Great riffs, atmosphere melodies, Concrete heavy metal. It is simple if you don't like the album its a matter of your personal taste and there is nothing wrong about that. You can like whatever you want. Generally speaking this album is considered by many many people great. So if you come out and say bla bla 7.5 for a classic release... Write a review better for something that you really like.
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X-Ray Rod Skandino StaffPosts: 18439 |
02.10.2009 - 18:52Rating: 9
Written by Motionless on 02.10.2009 at 17:45
Write a review better for something that you really like.
No way, I'm actually with Slayer666 on this one. He and all the reviewers can write what the hell they want as long as it has it's points well written. Slayer666 did a good job explaining why HE doesn't like the album [and c'mon 7,5 isn't that bad...it's halfway to very good]. There are tons of reviews full of 10's and 2's but without a real explanation. He put his explanations well enough.
The only thing I totally disagree with the review is that he says this album ain't Black Metal. And I think that's just silly but it's his opinion.
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Slayer666
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Written by Motionless on 02.10.2009 at 17:45
Written by Slayer666 on 01.10.2009 at 22:13
Written by Motionless on 01.10.2009 at 18:35
That happens when you rate an album which is considered a masterpiece from the first day of its release with a poor 7.5. The genre and the influences are irrelevant. In fact the review is irrelevant. The album is a masterpiece (although not a huge fan of immortal either)
Can you please explain why? What is so good about it? I just don't get it. Every, and I mean every Immortal's release beats this one, the way I see it.
Great riffs, atmosphere melodies, Concrete heavy metal. It is simple if you don't like the album its a matter of your personal taste and there is nothing wrong about that. You can like whatever you want. Generally speaking this album is considered by many many people great. So if you come out and say bla bla 7.5 for a classic release... Write a review better for something that you really like.
Burzum has atmosphere, Mayhem has atmosphere, Emperor has atmosphere, early Darkthrone, Gorgoroth and Satyricon have it, and so do most Immortal's albums (not to mention many other bands). This? Nope. The atmosphere is a number one priority for me, on any release. I just didn't feel it here, except for 3-4 minutes throughout the entire album.
Those great riffs you are talking about are as rare as penguins here in Serbia. There are some, undeniably, but most are simple and generic and serve to no other purpose but to fill empty space.
So, according to you, people should only write reviews about the stuff that they like? Is this supposed to be a fanboy site or something? If everyone wrote only about the stuff they liked, every album would be rated a 9-10, every album would be perfect and whatnot...
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Motionless
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Anyway you do not like this album. It is clear. By the way 15 year old listening to 2nd wave of black metal? I admire your musical orientation. It is not a fanboy site you are write. I liked your lymbonic art review. Here we do not agree.
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Passe
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03.10.2009 - 23:40Rating: 10
The whole review is a troll done by a narrow-minded kid.
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Introspekrieg Totemic Lust ElitePosts: 2749 |
Written by Passe on 03.10.2009 at 23:40
The whole review is a troll done by a narrow-minded kid.
Wouldn't narrow-minded be agreeing with everyone that it is a great album, even though he doesn't like it? He is thinking for himself...
Although I personally think this album has a lot of good atmospheric parts...
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by Passe on 03.10.2009 at 23:40
The whole review is a troll done by a narrow-minded kid.
WHy is this revie3w a troll done by a narrow-minded kid? Just because you disagree?
Hell, I disagree with this review as well (although not the rating really, cause 7.5 denotes it still be very good) but that doesn't make him narrow-minded.
I see this all the time people who just can't grasp the word narrow-minded (like you)
Narrow-minded means you're NOT willing to give something a chance.
Open-minded doesn't mean you have to like everything.
I dislike loads of music but that does not mean I am narrow-minded. I am actually very open-minded cause I am willing to give everything a chance on its own merits.
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Slayer666
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Written by Passe on 03.10.2009 at 23:40
The whole review is a troll done by a narrow-minded kid.
Thanks for your constructive criticism. It really means a lot, specially coming from an Immortal fanboy,
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