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Written by deadone on 25.08.2014 at 02:29
I don't believe in concept of "overrated" as it's personal taste.
I do think there's such a thing as "underrated" for music that has not had enough exposure.
When someone finds a certain album to be (much) less great than what the general consensus (opinion) is, one can state that said album is "overrated" in their view. So yes, of course it's about personal taste. How could it not be?
Calling something underrated would be the complete opposite of "overrated", so definitely not what you're describing. You're looking for the word "overlooked", not overrated.
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Written by Dr. Strawberry on 25.08.2014 at 20:44
ok, this is a great album, I have changed my score from 4 to 9, satisfied ?
Then why does your list still say that this particular album is a 4 and not a 9? If you suddenly change your rating so drastically, at least be consistent and remove it from this list.
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Written by Erik M. on 25.08.2014 at 23:07
Written by deadone on 25.08.2014 at 02:29
I don't believe in concept of "overrated" as it's personal taste.
I do think there's such a thing as "underrated" for music that has not had enough exposure.
When someone finds a certain album to be (much) less great than what the general consensus (opinion) is, one can state that said album is "overrated" in their view. So yes, of course it's about personal taste. How could it not be?
Calling something underrated would be the complete opposite of "overrated", so definitely not what you're describing. You're looking for the word "overlooked", not overrated.
Exactly.
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Dr. Strawberry
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 24.08.2014 at 20:33
I'm pretty sure it's just a list of albums he doesn't like as much as the rest of the people on MS according to the ratings.
Isn't that what everyone's view of "overrated" is? When you don't like something as much as the majority?
Simple example :
Barack Obama
2008 - Highly Rated by MAJORITY
2014 - OVERRATED...
You believe in majority ?
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Dr. Strawberry
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 25.08.2014 at 21:26
Written by [user id=4365] on 25.08.2014 at 21:17
The funny thing is that the discussion wasn't really even about his score. Was more about his bizarre attitude and perceptions of metal.
Exactly (as was also shown in the comments he posted on 40 Watt Sun ). I rated Ironbound a 6 and tbh it might as well be a 5, so I can totally understand the 4 GodBuster awarded it.For all I care he gave it a 10 or a 1.
There is really nothing to talk about my score, it's not the core but...do you think that those high scores given by majority (not only on MS but everywhere) really had reflected the TRUTH or just a FASHION.
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Written by deadone on 26.08.2014 at 18:29
Written by [user id=142921] on 26.08.2014 at 12:10
Written by deadone on 25.08.2014 at 02:29
I don't believe in concept of "overrated" as it's personal taste.
I do think there's such a thing as "underrated" for music that has not had enough exposure.
This confuses me. One exists but the other doesn't? However I'm in no mood to debate this stance so please pretend like I didn't say anything and continue on with your day ^.^
As Erik said, overlooked is a better term.
What Please.. those albums are famous therefore overrated is the damn correct term.
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Dr. Strawberry
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Written by Ilham on 25.08.2014 at 02:43
Written by deadone on 25.08.2014 at 02:36
IM t big classic albums have survived decades so if they were truly shit, they wouldn't be regard as classics decades after they were released. In my opinion underrated means underexposed i.e. not enough people have heard them for the album to be truly regarded as either good or bad.
I put "classic" in quotation marks because I think that term is still somewhat not easy to define and gets thrown around a lot for no reason. Especially since we don't have that much perspective on certain albums, and some people call them "classics" just because they're old or they had commercial success. Which doesn't exactly convince me.
A gold colour sticker written "11 New Classics" on the cover of 2010 Ratt's Infestation Immediately caused confusion. Everybody thought it was a compilation though there's nothing wrong with the usage of the term. They meant future classics, we though classics in the past.
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Erik M.
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Written by deadone on 26.08.2014 at 07:24
Overlooked does work far better!
And here I expected to get into a discussion because of what I said. Good to know that's not the case.
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Dr. Strawberry
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Written by Erik M. on 26.08.2014 at 21:24
Written by Dr. Strawberry on 26.08.2014 at 13:30
Simple example :
Barack Obama
2008 - Highly Rated by MAJORITY
2014 - OVERRATED...
You believe in majority ?
*Facepalm*
What Troy said is correct (I said basically the same thing). When a certain album is generally praised and you dislike it/hate it (or whatever), then that album is overrated in your view.
Btw, are you following the news ? or you're living in your own cell ignoring what is going on...and considered yourself - majority ?
Obama has been criticising by citizens of US, Hillary, his own paty and other paties' members for everything he has done for diplomacy and economy.
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The Obama thing is an idiotic example. That's public opinion of one person who changes over time. These are albums that are products of their time in history. Talk about false equivalency...
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Erik M.
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I only really said that what Troy said is correct and didn't really respond to the example you gave. Hence why I deleted my post.
I'm a Dutchman and while I do know more or less what's going on, I certainly don't follow the news actively. That being said, I think I'm going to agree with Joe on this matter.
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Dr. Strawberry
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Written by [user id=4365] on 26.08.2014 at 21:40
The Obama thing is an idiotic example. That's public opinion of one person who changes over time. These are albums that are products of their time in history. Talk about false equivalency...
Not really idiotic as I changed my point of view to some "vintage albums" over time due to the evolvement of music in history. As mentioned "albums are products of their time in history". Now will be the history of the future, what I think is good might be refuted by myself in the future. Move on please...I totally understood if you cherished the nostalgic value and considered those as masterpieces at their own times.
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Unlike deadone I believe anyone can legitimately call something overrated if they offer a good enough argument. My point was that your Obama example was very poor and did not compare.
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Dr. Strawberry
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Written by [user id=4365] on 26.08.2014 at 22:11
1) Unlike deadone I believe anyone can legitimately call something overrated if they offer a good enough argument.
2) My point was that your Obama example was very poor and did not compare.
1) True.
2) Obama example defines "overrated' can be used under many circumstances and it's a comparative, not stand alone. Anything has received high acclaim before but nother group of people don't buy the idea and call it "overrated" or otherwise...and also "Majority" concept is only a "Sheep Effect".
I did not compare Obama with Albums.
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Yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 27.08.2014 at 14:08
Yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.
Ha...Ha...cool
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
If you somehow manage to spin this into an off-topic political debate I will straight up delete this entire list.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 27.08.2014 at 17:22
If you somehow manage to spin this into an off-topic political debate I will straight up delete this entire list.
I'd say it's already past that point.
I'd like to comment on this list, but to be honest I don't really understand any of it.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Funny how someone can truly say with dry eyes that some of the most influential albums ever are overrated and not classics and that modern albums are better when in fact those modern albums wouldn't even be here were it not for those album the person calls overrated not classic.
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I can understand someone hating likes of Death, Metallica, Iron Maiden etc but calling Black Sabbath overrated is beyond me tbh.
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Written by mz on 28.08.2014 at 00:51
... but calling Black Sabbath overrated is beyond me tbh.
No Black Sabbath not a single current metal band be here nowadays...
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Lol @ "interference from the website owners". Apparently Joe, Marcel and mz, etc. are all owners of Metal Storm now. How can I become an owner?
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Written by Diverge on 29.08.2014 at 05:16
Lol @ "interference from the website owners". Apparently Joe, Marcel and mz, etc. are all owners of Metal Storm now. How can I become an owner?
Posting too much, being considered an arsehole by half the MS population etc. Shares in MS have skyrocketed recently. Join the team, buy that yacht you always wanted.
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M C Vice ex-polydactyl
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Well, I agree with Master Of Puppets. The others here (at least the ones I've heard) I wouldn't call bad. I didn't know And Justice For All was liked enough to be called overrated?
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Written by M C Vice on 29.08.2014 at 13:49
I didn't know And Justice For All was liked enough to be called overrated?
Loads of people rave about it and even dare call it Metallica's best.
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 29.08.2014 at 14:10
Written by M C Vice on 29.08.2014 at 13:49
I didn't know And Justice For All was liked enough to be called overrated?
Loads of people rave about it and even dare call it Metallica's best.
I've also seen plenty of bad stuff said about it. Like it's the start of their selling out or the bass is crap/non-existent.
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
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I'm somewhere in between Marcel and Ilham in regards to this list. Yeah, just because an album's "classic" doesn't mean it can't be overrated, but a bunch of albums you put on here (Maiden, Sabbath, and Death especially) were critical towards influencing the sounds and styles of metal bands for years to come. Sometimes you have to acknowledge the impact of the legends, whether you personally care for them or not.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
Written by Auntie Sahar on 30.08.2014 at 16:37 Sometimes you have to acknowledge the impact of the legends, whether you personally care for them or not.
Just because something is influential doesn't mean it's good. This list I think is more about the creator's personal opinion differing from the majority, not about overlooking the significance of the bands listed.
Or maybe it's about Obama. I'm still not entirely sure.
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