So the excuse for "hordes of chaos" not being nominated is... not enough staff member liked it?

Nearly 400 fans rated it and it has an average rating of 8.4... but not enough of the mods liked it, so f*ck them.
Neat.

Anyway... not a big deal to me. I'm not a Kreator "diehard," in fact... "Hordes of Chaos" is their only album that I really like. I just think it's funny how much the nominations reflect a "who gives a sh*t" attitude about what the users on this forum think.
Oh well, if they deserve it, I suppose they'll win with the write-in vote...

Written by Italics on 02.02.2010 at 04:55

So the excuse for "hordes of chaos" not being nominated is... not enough staff member liked it?

Nearly 400 fans rated it and it has an average rating of 8.4... but not enough of the mods liked it, so f*ck them.
Neat.

Anyway... not a big deal to me. I'm not a Kreator "diehard," in fact... "Hordes of Chaos" is their only album that I really like. I just think it's funny how much the nominations reflect a "who gives a sh*t" attitude about what the users on this forum think.
Oh well, if they deserve it, I suppose they'll win with the write-in vote...

for starters, you might want to check the fourth bullet point on 1.1 of the FAQ. i just find your rant laughable. some mods might not be as amused.

further, if we just went with what the community voted, what would the point of all this be? why do the whole awards thing at all and just dole out an award to an album that the most people heard and liked* ?

what would be the point?

as it stands, the most popular bands will already win every category to begin with. we are on first day of voting and i can already tell you who will win in 90% of the categories.

at least with our system of voting for bands on even footing based solely on whether or not staff enjoyed it, some of the smaller bands that deserve exposure get it.

but i suppose just scrapping them and handing out nice shiny imaginary trophies to the most popular band in each category, while ignoring the also-rans would be so much fun. just like the Terrorizer awards.

and as funny as your and deadmeats rants are, the best part is in another month when we announce the winners, we'll get just as much whining from people who don't think the big popular band(tm) deserved their imaginary trophies, and that they should have gone to more kvlt band(tm).

damned if we do, damned if we don't.


* - just because more people have rated it than another album doesn't mean it's any better. it means more metal "fans" simply have not bothered to take the time to check out the lesser known artists. many of them are putting out stuff that surpasses the "SSDD" (Same Shit, Different Disk) put out by the more popular bands of their respective genres.

Written by BitterCOld on 02.02.2010 at 05:23

Written by Italics on 02.02.2010 at 04:55

So the excuse for "hordes of chaos" not being nominated is... not enough staff member liked it?

Nearly 400 fans rated it and it has an average rating of 8.4... but not enough of the mods liked it, so f*ck them.
Neat.

Anyway... not a big deal to me. I'm not a Kreator "diehard," in fact... "Hordes of Chaos" is their only album that I really like. I just think it's funny how much the nominations reflect a "who gives a sh*t" attitude about what the users on this forum think.
Oh well, if they deserve it, I suppose they'll win with the write-in vote...

for starters, you might want to check the fourth bullet point on 1.1 of the FAQ. i just find your rant laughable. some mods might not be as amused.

further, if we just went with what the community voted, what would the point of all this be? why do the whole awards thing at all and just dole out an award to an album that the most people heard and liked* ?

what would be the point?

as it stands, the most popular bands will already win every category to begin with. we are on first day of voting and i can already tell you who will win in 90% of the categories.

at least with our system of voting for bands on even footing based solely on whether or not staff enjoyed it, some of the smaller bands that deserve exposure get it.

but i suppose just scrapping them and handing out nice shiny imaginary trophies to the most popular band in each category, while ignoring the also-rans would be so much fun. just like the Terrorizer awards.

and as funny as your and deadmeats rants are, the best part is in another month when we announce the winners, we'll get just as much whining from people who don't think the big popular band(tm) deserved their imaginary trophies, and that they should have gone to more kvlt band(tm).

damned if we do, damned if we don't.


* - just because more people have rated it than another album doesn't mean it's any better. it means more metal "fans" simply have not bothered to take the time to check out the lesser known artists. many of them are putting out stuff that surpasses the "SSDD" (Same Shit, Different Disk) put out by the more popular bands of their respective genres.

Dude, you're pretty much as cynical as they come, ease your foot off the pedal a bit. In response to other people's bitching you come up with a bitch rant of your own and in turn I'm in the line of fire feeling forced to express my bitchy thoughts. This is just one giant bitchfest.

Written by Visioneerie on 02.02.2010 at 06:22

Dude, you're pretty much as cynical as they come, ease your foot off the pedal a bit. In response to other people's bitching you come up with a bitch rant of your own and in turn I'm in the line of fire feeling forced to express my bitchy thoughts. This is just one giant bitchfest.

damn straight i'm cynical.

Written by BitterCOld on 02.02.2010 at 06:27

Written by Visioneerie on 02.02.2010 at 06:22

Dude, you're pretty much as cynical as they come, ease your foot off the pedal a bit. In response to other people's bitching you come up with a bitch rant of your own and in turn I'm in the line of fire feeling forced to express my bitchy thoughts. This is just one giant bitchfest.

damn straight i'm cynical.

Yeah it ain't to hard to tell. People have to stop bitching in order for you to stop busting their balls but I gather you like doing that anyhow haha.

Written by Visioneerie on 02.02.2010 at 06:33


Yeah it ain't to hard to tell. People have to stop bitching in order for you to stop busting their balls but I gather you like doing that anyhow haha.

only when warranted. frothing at the keyboard in all caps or telling the staff to basically "fuck off" (or worse, f*ck off... ) because their favorite album didn't get in will get a rise out of me.

had someone posted something like "sucks Cobalt didn't get in, oh well, i'll write them in" it wouldn't get a response. i can understand and relate, even if i don't think the album in question merited inclusion.

Written by DoomGuard on 02.02.2010 at 04:04

I've seen Lamb of God written in for a bunch of categories, are all the votes in different categories put into the proper one and added up or did those guys just waste their votes? Or is Lamb of God, and other bands that are written in multiple categories just contending in multiple categories? Just wondering.

Nah, only the write in votes for the correct category are added (so Thrash for Lamb Of God). If releases pop up in the wrong category then we just delete them. Otherwise any one person could vote for the one release multiple times.

So if you notice your write-in vote has gone, you've most probably put it in the wrong category.

If I wanted to make a write in vote for Argus (which is classified both as doom and heavy metal), which category should I choose to make sure?

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 01.02.2010 at 19:18

In my opinion Slayer's worst albums are still vastly superior to Kreator's best.

And I feared I was the only one who thought Kreator was nothing but frenzied noise.

Btw @BitterC0ld: what happened to TBG?

Written by Jan on 02.02.2010 at 07:16

If I wanted to make a write in vote for Argus (which is classified both as doom and heavy metal), which category should I choose to make sure?

Use your best discretion, keep in mind that you have until the end of February to vote, so if you come back and your vote is deleted, it's probably because we made the executive decision to delete it. As long as it's not too outrageous (like placing Dragonforce in doom or something), it probably won't get deleted, remember the staff & elites are basically normal human beings with severe alcohol problems, so we go through classification dilemmas as much as you mortals.

Though if you really want the final say on doom, I think Marcel would be the best person to ask, so either PM him or look in the mirror and repeat his name 6 times.

Cradle of Filth was the band where the drummer got hit by the gobstopper, not Dimmu Borgir. Some mod should delete Dimmu from the drama list, regarding a jawbreaker

Written by DayFly on 02.02.2010 at 09:53

Btw @BitterC0ld: what happened to TBG?

He requested his profile to be deleted and being the nice guys we are, we complied to his wish.

And it wasn't the drummer, it was the guitar player. I was there.

Written by Jan on 02.02.2010 at 07:16

If I wanted to make a write in vote for Argus (which is classified both as doom and heavy metal), which category should I choose to make sure?

It is an extremely borderline release, true, but so is While Heaven Wpt (doom, power, progressive). My personal slight preference concerning Argus would be to put in Doom.

WTF? While Heaven Wept in the doom section?

Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.02.2010 at 18:31

WTF? While Heaven Wept in the doom section?

Yes, I think you're one of the very few that doesn't consider it doom at all It is borderline, I agree, but still doom enough to go into the doom category. Btw, you don't have to vote for it. And I am sure you won't since you hate it

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.02.2010 at 18:37

Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.02.2010 at 18:31

WTF? While Heaven Wept in the doom section?

Yes, I think you're one of the very few that doesn't consider it doom at all It is borderline, I agree, but still doom enough to go into the doom category. Btw, you don't have to vote for it. And I am sure you won't since you hate it

ah, ah, Marcel, you bet! No, I can't hear any doom in it, but then I prefer death/doom and extreme doom... to me, it's progressive/power metal shit...

Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.02.2010 at 18:58


ah, ah, Marcel, you bet! No, I can't hear any doom in it, but then I prefer death/doom and extreme doom... to me, it's progressive/power metal shit...

I know you prefer your doom to be more death/doom or to be more extreme. But then again there are people that don't consider that doom at all (just go to the Hellride Music Forums to see what I mean) Btw, then you might also have problems with Candlemass in the doom cetagory, I suspect

Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.02.2010 at 18:58


Btw, then you might also have problems with Candlemass in the doom cetagory, I suspect

lol... never been a fan of trad doom... I don't really want to debate this (can of worms) here... my concept of doom is completely different...

Written by Doc G. on 02.02.2010 at 10:33

Written by Jan on 02.02.2010 at 07:16

If I wanted to make a write in vote for Argus (which is classified both as doom and heavy metal), which category should I choose to make sure?

Use your best discretion, keep in mind that you have until the end of February to vote, so if you come back and your vote is deleted, it's probably because we made the executive decision to delete it. As long as it's not too outrageous (like placing Dragonforce in doom or something), it probably won't get deleted, remember the staff & elites are basically normal human beings with severe alcohol problems, so we go through classification dilemmas as much as you mortals.

Though if you really want the final say on doom, I think Marcel would be the best person to ask, so either PM him or look in the mirror and repeat his name 6 times.

Ok, thanks, did not know it worked like that.

Marcel, Marcel, Marcel, Marcel, Marcel, Marcel

Right on...

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.02.2010 at 15:34

It is an extremely borderline release, true, but so is While Heaven Wpt (doom, power, progressive). My personal slight preference concerning Argus would be to put in Doom.

Yeah, all right. Hard pressed I would probably agree. Would have loved to place it in heavy metal though - would have made my decision in the the doom vote a bit easier.

I added vote for Bornholm : March for Glory and Revenge at pagan/viking/folk category. Their style is "pagan black" (that is my only vote btw)

Someone had different opinion and erased it! great
i'll give it a try again...

Quote:


That is your opinion. In my opinion Slayer's worst albums are still vastly superior to Kreator's best.
Just live with the fact there is no such thing as objectivity concerning quality in music.

It's clear that you're not objective

Written by BitterCOld on 02.02.2010 at 06:49

Written by Visioneerie on 02.02.2010 at 06:33


Yeah it ain't to hard to tell. People have to stop bitching in order for you to stop busting their balls but I gather you like doing that anyhow haha.

only when warranted. frothing at the keyboard in all caps or telling the staff to basically "fuck off" (or worse, f*ck off... ) because their favorite album didn't get in will get a rise out of me.

had someone posted something like "sucks Cobalt didn't get in, oh well, i'll write them in" it wouldn't get a response. i can understand and relate, even if i don't think the album in question merited inclusion.

Yeah I understand. Some people will go a long way for their opinion to be respected. Just out of curiosity, who are you leaning towards in the avantgarde/post metal section ?

Written by Visioneerie on 03.02.2010 at 00:23

Yeah I understand. Some people will go a long way for their opinion to be respected. Just out of curiosity, who are you leaning towards in the avantgarde/post metal section ?

i'm going to keep my opinions quiet regarding where my votes will go until after the awards. you'll pretty much be able to easily deduce who i voted for in most categories (and which categories i opted not to vote in) when i release my annual "top XX of 200X" blog. or you can just bug me on the 1st if you're still interested.

Written by DayFly on 02.02.2010 at 09:53

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 01.02.2010 at 19:18

In my opinion Slayer's worst albums are still vastly superior to Kreator's best.

And I feared I was the only one who thought Kreator was nothing but frenzied noise.

yeah they are all bullshit! worst band in the world. for the bible of thrash go check Divine Intervention!

There's a best album cover art, isn't it...??????

After more than 300 votes in each category megadeth an slayer are voted from some people in the biggest letdown category, kreator not, and slayer isnt voted by anyone in the biggest surprise category.. haha funny. it seems we have to do with 300 completely stupid people...

@deadmeat would you place stop your whining? It is truly becoming pathetic now. You are to Kreator as The_Black_God is towards Metallica.

Written by Jan on 02.02.2010 at 21:51


Yeah, all right. Hard pressed I would probably agree. Would have loved to place it in heavy metal though - would have made my decision in the the doom vote a bit easier.

Okay put it in heavy metal, and we'll remove the Argus write-ins from doom then
Btw re-listened to it earlier today and it is actually more heavy metal than doom.

Written by Merchant of Doom on 02.02.2010 at 21:18

I don't really want to debate this (can of worms) here... my concept of doom is completely different...

Well I consider both the trad doom as extreme doom doom.
Btw there was/is this greek guy on Metal Storm who reckons only trad doom is doom and the rest is slow death metal. Go check his posts out in the definitive doom thread in the melodic forum